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On 21 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Sunni–Shia divide. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Excess detail?

@Portwoman: Can you provide a little more specificity as to what detail you want removed? --Louis P. Boog (talk) 20:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a case of WP:DRIVEBY. --Omnipaedista (talk) 00:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shia–Sunni relations → Sunni–Shia divide – Common name and description, attributed to multiple sources.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]^[7]^[8]^[9]^[10]^[11]^[12]^[13]^[14]^[15]^[16]^[17]^[18] I will highlight that it is not a mere debate, but a disagreement that has come with conflict and violence. We should align its naming on Wikipedia with how it is described.

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Completely Random Guy (talk) 15:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 16:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – The existing title is in line with that of another article about relations between two religious sects with a history of conflict: Catholic–Eastern Orthodox relations. Graham (talk) 17:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Wikipedia articles have to adopt neutral titles regardless of the "divide" between the concerning factions. Shankargb (talk) 02:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Relisting to allow more time for consensus to develop Polyamorph (talk) 16:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Most of the sources cited have been news-type sources, not scholarly ones. Secondly, the sources are referring mainly to the conflict. So I agree that an article that was solely on the Shia-Sunni conflict should indeed be called Shia-Sunni divide, but the scope of this article is broader than that.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 21:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] ttps://www.cfr.org/article/sunni-shia-divide#:~:text=Shias%2C%20a%20term%20that%20stems,succession%20based%20on%20Mohammed%27s%20bloodline.

[2] ttps://www.history.com/news/sunni-shia-divide-islam-muslim

[3] ttps://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2013/11/Shias-Sunnis-religious-conflict-full-report.pdf

[4] ttps://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2007/02/12/7332087/the-origins-of-the-shiite-sunni-split

[5] ttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-16047709

[6] ttps://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-sunni-shiite-divide-in-the-middle-east-is-about-nationalism-not-a-conflict-within-islam/

[7] ttps://www.vox.com/2016/1/5/10718456/sunni-shia

[8] ttps://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/06/18/the-sunni-shia-divide-where-they-live-what-they-believe-and-how-they-view-each-other/

[9] ttps://www.npr.org/2007/02/12/7280905/chronology-a-history-of-the-shia-sunni-split

[10] ttps://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-27945271

[11] ttps://www.fpri.org/article/2013/12/the-geopolitics-of-the-sunni-shii-divide-in-the-middle-east/

[12] ttps://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Other/15-F-0940_DOC_05_CSBA-LTSG_Sunni-Shia_Divide_Origins_Theology_Geopolitics_200701.pdf

[13] ttps://origins.osu.edu/article/tradition-vs-charisma-sunni-shii-divide-muslim-world?language_content_entity=en

[14] ttps://carnegie-mec.org/posts/2007/03/the-shia-sunni-divide-myths-and-reality?lang=en&center=middle-east

[15] ttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/346724893_Sunni-Shia_Division_in_Islam_Its_Origin_Development_Political_Socio-Economic_Implications_Contemporary_Relations

[16] ttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/04/sunni-shia-sectarianism-middle-east-islam

[17] ttps://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691186610/sunnis-and-shia

[18] ttps://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/resrep03717.6.pdf

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