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Why is the reference to the popular culture appearance on the show Lost being removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.222.242 (talk) 04:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I second this - the statue on Lost is most blatantly Sobek. It also carries an Ankh, just like Sobek does. - Jonathan Handforth 15/5/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.33.66 (talk) 02:53, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The statue isn't "blatantly" Sobek... it might be, it might not be. It also looks an awful lot like Taweret, who is often shown a hippopotamus head with crocodile teeth. We have to wait until we know for sure before adding that reference on here. Cheers! --Managerpants (talk) 14:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tawaret had the body of a hippopotomus (and a female one at that) while the statue most definitely has the body of a man.--96.233.9.48 (talk) 17:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't matter; this is all WP:OR, and doesn't belong on WP. 64.241.37.140 (talk) 00:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The ABC recap [1] says it's a statue of Taweret. Until proven wrong, this "reference" really has no place here. Ecczi (talk) 01:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the ABC recap is an official source to determine it's Taweret, but it certainly goes towards showing the identity of the statue is in doubt. Until there's a definite source to identify it as Sobek, it should be left out as unsourced original research. Dayewalker (talk) 05:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The recap on the official ABC Lost site is as official as it gets; nothing OR about it.68.73.93.130 (talk) 03:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The religious link between Sobek and Taweret mentioned on the latter's page should be added. - 130.194.76.27 (talk) 03:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC) sobek is the crocodile god —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.20.64.232 (talk) 16:43, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proper and Definite Role

Sobek is one of the Egyptian Mythology's most ambiguous deity, given his varying role (and allegiance within the tales) throughout the Egyptian region and history. In respond to the role that I placed within the Infobox, perhaps I should have written "God of the River, Warriors and Fertility - given the fact that Sobek is more of an embodiment of the Fighting Strength of the Pharaoh and his soldiers, rather than being a god who leads the armies into war itself (referring to deities like Sekhmet or Wepwawet etc...). 203.87.203.190 (talk) 14:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any reference to warfare or warriors in connection with Sobek - unless its his link to Neith. He is called 'rager' in the PT but his main connections seem to be fertility and water - so where is this war stuff coming from? Any references?Apepch7 (talk) 16:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well... Caroline Seawright and the Egypt Online website mentioned it. But for solid references, I'm gonna have to search the library back in the city. 203.87.203.190 (talk) 12:21, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean here http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/sobek.html - there is no mention that I can see of war or warriors.Apepch7 (talk) 19:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal (Petsuchos)

I propose that Petsuchos be merged into Sobek since they overlap quite a bit. According to The New Britannica, "[Sobek's] chief sanctuary in Fayyum province included a live sacred crocodile named Petsuchos (Greek: "He who belongs to Suchos") in whom the god was believed to be incarnated."[2] The content in Petsuchos can easily be explained in the context of Sobek, and the article is of a reasonable size that the merging will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Xocoyotzin (talk) 03:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable. One of my sources (Religion in Roman Egypt by David Frankfurter) indicates that Petsuchos was one of several local forms of Sobek. It says "Sobek was manifestly individualized with different names—Sobeknebtunis, Petesouchos, Pnepheros, Soknopaios, Soknobraisis, Sokonnokonni, Souxei—according to individual cult; and each town in the Fayyum (or elsewhere on the Nile where Sobek was also popular) might have one or more cults with their respective priests and shrines of different sizes." That doesn't contradict the sources that say Petsuchos was a live sacred crocodile, because sacred animals were manifestations of some deity. Apis was Ptah, Mnevis was Ra, and so on. So Petsuchos was apparently a local variety of Sobek that was worshipped in a living form.

I wish there were more detail available on all these local Sobeks (the only study of Sobek I know of is in Italian), but they can probably all be covered in this one article. Anyway, I'll add what little information I have once the merge is complete. A. Parrot (talk) 05:07, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and redirected Petsuchos here. Since the Petsuchos article had no sources, I only added to Sobek what little I could source to Frankfurter (Britannica is not the best source). I haven't been able to confirm that Petsuchos was a living cult image the way Apis was, but crocodiles were mummified in connection with his cult.

Incidentally, I'd like to thank User:KierraF, who made major improvements to this article since I last posted here. A. Parrot (talk) 01:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sobek - Egyptian God | Doubts & Questions

This will be a discussion about doubts & questions about Sobek. ItzFranch (talk) 16:48, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

confusion on the first paragraph...

Hey! I was confused with the wording used for this sentence and was wondering why its not in two separate sentences."He is associated with the Nile crocodile or the West African crocodile and is represented either in its form or as a human with a crocodile head." I feel that its two different topics mushed in one sentence. I just wondered if anyone else agreed that the first paragraph would flow better if it was worded more like,"His anthropomorphic form depicts his head to be that of a crocodile. Some speculate that it may be an early depiction of a Nile crocodile or the West African crocodile." Of course this is just a suggestion, and I could easily be wrong. Gracepchicken (talk) 04:23, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Syncretisms with Sobek

Sobek was syncretized with the Dioscuri in Faiyum and Naucratis ^[1] Ⲁⲡⲟⲗⲗⲟⲇⲱⲣⲟⲥ (talk) 14:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)(talk) 10:42, 8 April 2022 (EST)[reply]

References

^ Bell, Harold. "Popular Religion in Graeco-Roman Egypt: I. The Pagan Period." The Journal of Egyptian Archaeology, vol. 34, Egypt Exploration Society, 1948, pp. 82–97, https://doi.org/10.2307/3855357.

Tense!

I’m thinking that because Sobek is worshipped in Kemetic circles, the tense of this article when referring to Sobek should be present instead of past? “Sobek IS a god of...” etc. 2601:246:5C80:9490:70:B1CB:1D5:4C63 (talk) 22:47, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Bell, Harold. "Popular Religion in Graeco-Roman Egypt: I. The Pagan Period." The Journal of Egyptian Archaeology, vol. 34, Egypt Exploration Society, 1948, pp. 82–97, https://doi.org/10.2307/3855357.

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