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Hi, I’m a personal friend of Sonalde Desai, the subject of this article, and I’d like to offer some ideas for improving it. In addition to providing new content, I also have ideas about restructuring this article so that it follows the precedent of other similar articles, which I understand is the typical standard for article structures. I have based my suggestions for structural changes on other articles about demographers and sociologists, such as those about Eric Kaufmann, Maria Simon (sociologist), Sophie Body-Gendrot, or Pim Fortuyn. Thanks for your time and I hope that these suggestions are helpful.

Edit request 1-Nov-2023

A.

What I’d like to change: Please add a new Early life and Education section to this article after the second paragraph of the article.

Here’s my suggestion for that new section:

Early life and education

Desai was born in India and grew up in Gujarat and Mumbai.[1] She received her bachelor's degree from the University of Mumbai.[2][1] She earned a master's degree in sociology from Case Western Reserve University, and a doctorate in sociology from Stanford.[3][4][5]

Reason for the change: An “Early life and education” section is typical of biographical articles and will significantly improve the organization of this one. Where possible I have also added new secondary sources here in order to address the warning flag about an excessive reliance on WP:PRIMARY.

B.

What I’d like to change: Please remove the current third and final paragraph in this article.

Here’s the paragraph to remove:

Desai was raised in Gujarat and Mumbai by parents involved in the Indian independence movement. She attended the University of Mumbai (then Bombay) before seeking graduate education at Case Western Reserve University and Stanford University.[6]

Reason for the change: This paragraph is a more poorly sourced version of the same information proposed above, and includes extraneous information not relevant to the subject (e.g., her parents’ connections with the Indian independence movement, which have no clear relevance to this article about her).

C.

What I’d like to change: Please add a new Career section to the article directly below the new “Early life and education” section proposed above.

Here’s my suggestion for that new section:

Career

Desai joined the University of Maryland College Park in 1994 as a senior assistant professor of sociology and a member of the Center on Population, Gender, and Inequality.[7]

In 2021, she became a distinguished professor in sociology at the University of Maryland,[8][9] and president of the Population Association of America in 2022.[1]

In 2022, the Indian Ministry of Rural Development appointed Desai to a committee for studying the performance of states in carrying out the National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme, a set of labor and social security programs and regulations for addressing poverty.[10][11]

Desai frequently contributes opinion articles for The Indian Express and The Hindu.[12][13]

Reason for the change: Wikipedia’s rules require that all information in the lead of an article be based on information in the article body. At present the article has no body, so I’m providing a new body section here that confirms the content currently in the lead and adds additional information that is based on reliable sources.

D.

What I’d like to change: Please add a new Research section directly below the new Career section proposed above.

Here’s my suggested version of this section:

Research

While at RAND in 1989, Desai and colleagues published a study on the impact of mothers’ employment on the cognitive abilities of their children at the age of four. The study found that there was a statistically significant adverse effect on male children from higher income families, and especially if mothers were employed during the sons’ infant years; the negative impact of maternal absence, however, was mitigated by mothers’ reduced fertility, and offset by the positive effects of increased income.[14][15]

In 1998, Desai published a cross-national study that reexamined the established observation that, on average, the more education mothers have, the healthier their children tend to be. The study found that the correlation between education level and health becomes weaker when taking into account local circumstances such as family’s access to running water, toilets, and vaccines.[16][17]

To assess the effectiveness of India’s program of affirmation action on reducing the caste system’s legacy of inequality, in 2008, Desai and a colleague compared education achievement across groups within India.[18] Using large-scale survey data spanning 20 years, they found that designated scheduled castes saw improved completion of primary school.[19][20] They also found that inequality in higher education attainment persisted,[19] and that Muslims (a group that did not receive affirmative action) remained worse off educationally than most other disadvantaged groups.[21][22]

In 2020, Desai and colleagues published a study examining education hypogamy (marrying a person with less education) among women in India. Using data from the India Human Development Survey, they showed that among women, education hypergamy was declining while educational hypogamy was rising. The reason hypogamy was rising was because educated women tended to marry men with lower education status but higher familial and economic status.[23][24]

Reason for the change: The addition of a new Research section follows similar sections in other biographical articles about academics, and provides needed context for the very brief summary of her research currently in the lead.

E.

What I’d like to change: Please remove the box at the top of this article which says that it relies excessively on references to primary sources.

Reason for the change: The other requested changes here provide numerous secondary sources to support the updated/expanded information in the article. After these changes are implemented the reason for the box no longer applies, so it should also be removed.

References

  1. ^ a b c "PAA Honored Members". Populationassociation.org. Population Association of American. Retrieved 24 January 2023.
  2. ^ Ritzer, George (13 November 2003). Handbook of Social Problems : A Comparative International Perspective (1 ed.). London: SAGE Publications, Incorporated. p. 701. ISBN 9781452261553.
  3. ^ Mortland, Shannon (12 October 2009). "Two trustees named to Case Western Reserve University board". Crains Cleveland. Retrieved 31 January 2023.
  4. ^ McKinsey and Company (Eds.) (19 November 2013). Reimagining India Unlocking the Potential of Asia's Next Superpower. Simon & Schuster. p. 432. ISBN 9781476735306. Retrieved 31 January 2023.
  5. ^ "Sonalde Desai". ndic.ncaer.org. National Center of Applied Economic Research. Retrieved 25 January 2023.
  6. ^ Author profile page Sonalde Desai Honored Member Profile at PAA.]
  7. ^ "In the news" (PDF). Footnotes: A magazine of the American Sociological Association. 22 (6): 18. 1994. Retrieved 1 February 2023.
  8. ^ "The Year in Books: What newsmakers have been reading in 2022". Indian Express. 30 December 2022. Retrieved 30 January 2023.
  9. ^ "BSOS Faculty Named as Distinguished University Professors". College of Behavioral and Social Sciences Annual Update. 2021–2022. University of Maryland: 4. 2021. Retrieved 25 January 2023.
  10. ^ Sharma, Harikishan (27 November 2022). "MGNREGS: Centre forms panel to study performance of states, governance issues". Indian Express. Retrieved 31 January 2023.
  11. ^ "Modi favours NREGS recast to help poorest". Hindustan Times. 3 December 2022. Retrieved 1 February 2023.
  12. ^ "Columnists: Sonalde Desai". indianexpress.com. Indian Express. Retrieved 1 February 2023.
  13. ^ "Sonalde Desai". thehindu.com. The Hindu. Retrieved 1 February 2023.
  14. ^ Bianchi, Suzanne M (2000). "Maternal employment and time with children: Dramatic change or surprising continuity?". Demography. 37 (4): 401–414. doi:10.1353/dem.2000.0001.
  15. ^ Desai, S; Chase-Lansdale, PL; Michael, RT (1989). "Mother or market? effects of maternal employment on the intellectual ability of 4-year-old children". Demography. 26 (4): 545–561. doi:10.2307/2061257.
  16. ^ Currie, J (2009). "Healthy, wealthy, and wise: Socioeconomic status, poor health in childhood, and human capital development". Journal of Economic Literature. 47 (1): 87–122. doi:10.1257/jel.47.1.87.
  17. ^ Desai, S; Alva, S (1998). "Maternal education and child health: Is there a strong causal relationship?". Demography. 35 (1): 71–81. doi:10.2307/3178543.
  18. ^ Cassan, Guilhem (2019). "Affirmative action, education and gender: Evidence from India". Journal of Development Economics. 136 (January): 51–70. doi:10.1016/j.jdeveco.2018.10.001.
  19. ^ a b Pradhan, KC; Mukherjee, S (2018). "The income transition in rural india: Evidence from aris/reds surveys". Journal of Economic Development. 43 (2): 45–64. doi:10.35866/caujed.2018.43.2.003.
  20. ^ Desai, S; Kulkarni, V (2008). "Changing educational inequalities in India in the context of affirmative action". Demography. 45 (2): 245–270. doi:10.1353/dem.0.0001.
  21. ^ Rajam, V; Reddy, AB; Banerjee, S (2021). "Explaining caste-based digital divide in india". Telematics and Informatics. 65. doi:10.1016/j.tele.2021.101719.
  22. ^ Guha, Ramachandra (10 April 2018). "Burdens of the past" (PDF). Indian Express. Archived from the original on 10 April 2018. Retrieved 31 January 2023.
  23. ^ Han, SW (2022). "Is it only a numbers game? A macro-level study of educational hypogamy". Demography. 59 (4): 1571–1593. doi:10.1215/00703370-10126742.
  24. ^ Lin, Z; Chen, F (2020). "The emergence of educational hypogamy in india". Demography. 57 (4): 1215–1240. doi:10.1007/s13524-020-00888-2.

Naomikan (talk) 17:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 1-NOV-2023

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🔼  Clarification requested  

  • The proposed additions contain several instances where multiple references are placed at the end of passages of text, as bundled citations (e.g., [1][4][5], etc.) Traditionally, this indicates that all three references verify the preceding sentence or sentences. In cases such as those, the COI editor is kindly asked to consolidate these references to only a single source. If the circumstances are that the multiple references are necessary because they each, on their own, verify a different fragment of information afforded in the preceding sentence or sentences, then the guidelines at WP:INTEGRITY need to be followed.
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Regards,  Spintendo  02:45, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Revised request for page improvements

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Hi, I’m a personal friend of Sonalde Desai, the subject of this article. I have rewritten my requests to follow the instructions of the reviewing editor, User: Spintendo, in the previous post. I am resubmitting as a new Request Edit because User: Spintendo no longer seems to be active on the Request Edit queue. But if you think I should reopen the original instead of re-posting, please let me know. Thanks for your time and I hope that these suggestions are helpful.

A.

What I’d like to change: Please add a new Early life and Education section after the second paragraph of the article.

Here’s my suggestion for that new section:

Early life and education

Desai was born in India and grew up in Gujarat and Mumbai.[1] She received her bachelor's degree from the University of Mumbai,[2] a master's degree in sociology from Case Western Reserve University,[3] and a doctorate in sociology from Stanford.[4]

Reason for the change: An “Early life and education” section is typical of biographical articles and will significantly improve the organization of this one. Where possible I have also added new secondary sources here in order to address the warning flag about an excessive reliance on WP:PRIMARY.

B.

What I’d like to change: Please remove the current third and final paragraph in this article.

Here’s the paragraph to remove:

Desai was raised in Gujarat and Mumbai by parents involved in the Indian independence movement. She attended the University of Mumbai (then Bombay) before seeking graduate education at Case Western Reserve University and Stanford University.[5]

Reason for the change: The paragraph I wrote in Request A includes reliable sourcing, provides the same information, and better follows Wikipedia rules, so this paragraph is no longer needed. It is poorly sourced and includes extraneous information not relevant to the subject (e.g., her parents’ connections with the Indian independence movement, which have no clear relevance to this article about her).

C.

What I’d like to change: Please add a new Career section to the article directly below the new “Early life and education” section proposed above.

Here’s my suggested text for that new section:

Career

Desai joined the University of Maryland’s Center on Population, Gender, and Inequality in 1994 as a senior assistant professor of sociology.[6] She has served as a professor and director of India’s National Council of Applied Economic Research[7] since 2017.[8] In 2021, she became a distinguished professor in sociology at the University of Maryland.[9] Desai was elected president of the Population Association of America in 2022.[10] In 2022, the Indian government appointed Desai to a committee studying the allocation of funds under the National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme.[11]


D.

What I’d like to change: Please add a new Research section directly below the new Career section proposed above.

Here’s my suggested version of this section:

Research

Desai’s research centers around inequality and gender in India[1] and developing countries.[12] Research presented by Desai and her team in 2011 examined the correlation between the number of children and a mother’s education level,[13] and reported the number of one-child families in India was increasing.[14] In 2013, Desai worked with NCAER to conduct the India Human Development survey of forty-thousand Indian households to study the relationship between public policy, gender, inequality and poverty.[4] A study Desai conducted in 2014 found while globalization transformed Indians’ lifestyle, social relationships and expectations in dating and marriage remained immune to change.[15]

A 2024 study led by Desai found poverty in India declined to 8.5% from 21% in 2011-2012, and advised governments to focus on supporting life circumstances that can lead people into poverty, such as illness, marriage and natural disasters.[16]

Reason for the change: The addition of a new Research section follows similar sections in other biographical articles about academics, and provides needed context for the very brief summary of her research currently in the lead. All of the research presented in this section is reported on via secondary, reliable sources like The New York Times, The Times of India and National Geographic.

E.

What I’d like to change: Please remove the box at the top of this article which says that it relies excessively on references to primary sources.

Reason for the change: The changes I’ve requested here provide numerous secondary sources to support the updated/expanded information in the article. After these changes are implemented the reason for the box no longer applies, so it should also be removed.

Thank you.Naomikan (talk) 19:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC) Naomikan (talk) 19:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made the request changes. Thank you. Yyyikes (talk) 16:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ a b "PAA Honored Members". Populationassociation.org. Population Association of American. Retrieved 24 January 2023.
  2. ^ Ritzer, George (13 November 2003). Handbook of Social Problems : A Comparative International Perspective (1 ed.). London: SAGE Publications, Incorporated. p. 701. ISBN 9781452261553.
  3. ^ Mortland, Shannon (12 October 2009). "Two trustees named to Case Western Reserve University board". Crains Cleveland. Retrieved 31 January 2023.
  4. ^ a b McKinsey and Company (Eds.) (19 November 2013). Reimagining India Unlocking the Potential of Asia's Next Superpower. Simon & Schuster. p. 432. ISBN 9781476735306. Retrieved 31 January 2023.
  5. ^ Author profile page Sonalde Desai Honored Member Profile at PAA.]
  6. ^ "In the news" (PDF). Footnotes: A magazine of the American Sociological Association. 22 (6): 18. 1994. Retrieved 1 February 2023.
  7. ^ Sharma, Harikishan (27 November 2022). "MGNREGS: Centre forms panel to study performance of states, governance issues". Indian Express. Retrieved 31 January 2023.
  8. ^ "Sonalde Desai". National Council of Applied Economic Research. Retrieved 9 September 2024.
  9. ^ "BSOS Faculty Named as Distinguished University Professors". College of Behavioral and Social Sciences Annual Update. 2021–2022. University of Maryland: 4. 2021. Retrieved 25 January 2023.
  10. ^ "Seven Faculty Researchers Named AAAS Fellows". Maryland Today. University of Maryland. 31 January 2023. Retrieved 1 February 2023.
  11. ^ "Modi favours NREGS recast to help poorest". Hindustan Times. 3 December 2022. Retrieved 1 February 2023.
  12. ^ "Structured Inequalities: Factors Associated with Spatial Disparities in Maternity Care in India". Center for the Advanced Study of India. UPenn. Retrieved 9 September 2024.
  13. ^ Lamont, James (30 August 2011). "India sees rise in one-child families". Financial Times. Retrieved 31 January 2023.
  14. ^ Kunzig, Robert (January 2011). "By 2045 global population is projected to reach nine billion. Can the planet take the strain?". National Geographic. 219 (1). Retrieved 31 January 2023.
  15. ^ Schmall, Emily (11 December 2022). "My Friend Helped Me Carry My Burdens. His Proved Too Heavy". New York Times. Retrieved 31 January 2023.
  16. ^ Gupta, Sidhartha; Gupta, Surojit (3 July 2024). "Poverty dips to 8.5% from 2011-2012 says NCAER". The Times of India. Archived from the original on 10 September 2024. Retrieved 10 September 2024.
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