Talk:Southward expansion of the Han dynasty

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Date	Process	Result
July 16, 2013	Good article nominee	Listed
June 1, 2014	Featured topic candidate	Not promoted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 6, 2013.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the southward expansion of the Han Dynasty brought the empire into direct contact with the kingdoms of Southeast Asia?

Current status: Good article

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GA Review

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Reviewer: QatarStarsLeague (talk · contribs) 03:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC) Review coming soon! QatarStarsLeague (talk) 03:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

A pass here.

Background

Sufficient explanation.

Military campaigns

This section passes.

Historical significance

This section passes as well. The information on Yunnan was particularly interesting.

Conclusion

This article passes, without need for change in the prose. That is very impressive for an article of this length. However, there is an issue with this image. You need a US copyright tag. After that, it passes. Congratulations! QatarStarsLeague (talk) 01:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have done so. Once again, thank you for the review!--Typing General (talk) 18:08, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancy

@Khanate General: Hi, I just want to point out that the Encyclopædia Britannica and Davidson 1991 portray the deaths of the Trung sisters as suicides, which conflict with the article's assertion that the "Trung sisters were executed". Please provide some thoughts on this discrepancy. Otherwise, a great article. Your work is much appreciated. Regards, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 13:15, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yu 1986, the source cited in the article, says that, A serious rebellion broke out in AD 40. This was led by two sisters, Cheng Ts'e and Cheng Erh, and evoked a positive response from some sixty-five towns and settlements. It required... Ma Yuan, with a force of 10,000 men, to put down. Chang Ts'e and Chang Erh were duly executed; they have subsequently found a place in folklore as heroines. I'll have to check other sources to verify what happened.--Khanate General ☪ talk ^{project mongol conquests} 00:19, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There were different accounts of the same event. Whitmore 2000 says that Trung Trac and Nhi suffer the same fate (and their heads are sent to the Han court). In some accounts, they commit suicide. Taylor 1983 has a longer, more complete answer: Ma Yuan proceeded to Me-linh and, by the end of the year, succeeded in capturing Trang Trac and her sister Nhi; in the first month of the new year, their heads were sent to the Han court in Lo-yang with a footnote that says There are several popular traditions according to which the sisters committed suicide by drowning themselves in a river, died of illness, or disappeared into the clouds.--Khanate General ☪ talk ^{project mongol conquests} 10:19, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Khanate General: If that's the case, carry on. Thanks for clarifying the issue, which is minor anyway. Cheers, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 22:36, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]