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Size

"is claimed to be the smallest English cathedral." Is it? I always understood it was claimed that Christ Church, Oxford was the smallest cathedral in the country. 82.68.89.60 08:43, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's neither. Derby is the smallest.[1] I'll edit the article to reflect. DWaterson 11:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Category:Cathedrals in England

A user has removed the category from this page. Surely this is a cathedral and therefore should be included in the category? - Erebus555 16:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is in Category:Anglican cathedrals in England, so probably should not also be in the more general superior category as well. Oosoom ^Talk to me 17:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

Pidgeon Park is merely the grounds surrounding the cathedral and, in my opinion, are not notable enough to have their own article. It has also been noted that this is the nickname for the churchyard and that Pigeon has been misspelled too. - Erebus555 13:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've replaced it with a redirect. Andy Mabbett 20:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Poor reference

I don't believe that OpenGudies, being another Wiki, is an adequate reference for "Due to the large number of pigeons that frequent the park and roost on the mid rise buildings surrounding it, it has often been called pigeon park". Andy Mabbett 16:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree, but it's the best to offer so far. It's quite difficult to reference this despite the statement being true. I'll be on the look out for one anyway. - Erebus555 16:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've found one and it was right under our noses - it was the link under "friends". - Erebus555 16:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, but I still have doubts. That's a single use, on a vox-pop [page, not a citation to show that it's called that "often", as is claimed. I suspect that we're dealing with a little-used neologism which is therefore not "notable". Andy Mabbett 16:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've reworded it now. Would this seem better? - Erebus555 16:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you; that's more reasonable, but the final sentence in my last comment still applies. Andy Mabbett 18:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. The usage of the word seems to only apply in oral conversations and not in conversations on the internet and in articles about the churchyard. As was there before, there is a MySpace group about it showing that it is widely used, though including this in the article is, of course, unencyclopedic. I'm really unsure what to do. - Erebus555 18:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming

Can we hold off on the further renaming of this article without prior discussion, PLEASE? The usual format, where two or more cathedrals in the same town have to be distinguished, seems logically to be "St[.] X's Cathedral, X-town", in parallel with the usual church-name format. There seems NO good reason for changing that here. Anyone who thinks there is, is requested politely to discuss it here FIRST. HeartofaDog 23:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was unable to revert to the original name, which was "St Philip's (etc)" without a stop. I have used the variant WITH the stop ("St. Philip's") for now, in order to get rid of the other, severely disfunctional, title, but if anyone wants to ask an admin to restore it to the stopless version, fine by me.HeartofaDog 23:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Moved external links here for possible discussion per ELBURDEN. External links should not be formatted as sources per ELCITE.

1890 Ordnance Survey map of the cathedral (a church at the time) Archived 28 September 2007 at the Wayback Machine
Details of the bells, on the Rings of Twelve website Archived 13 July 2011 at the Wayback Machine
Bellringing at Birmingham Cathedral Archived 19 July 2011 at the Wayback Machine -- Otr500 (talk) 04:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]