Talk:Summit Lake (Paxson, Alaska)

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Requested move 24 December 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. A good proposal at the time, but since this RM began articles have been created for other Summit Lakes in Alaska. Jenks24 (talk) 10:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Summit Lake (Paxson, Alaska) → Summit Lake (Alaska) – Article was created at Summit Lake, Alaska in January of this year and received only trivial editing attention until November. In the course of expanding the article, An Errant Knight moved it to Summit Lake (Alaska), then subsequently moved it to the current title to make way for a dab page covering the several Summit Lakes in Alaska. More recently, Hike395 blanked the dab page and redirected it to the broader Summit Lake dab page, with the rationale that this is the only Summit Lake in Alaska with an article. As Alaska's highway system expanded during the middle of the last century, the Summit Lake on the Kenai Peninsula (alongside the Seward Highway) eclipsed this Summit Lake as the most prominent lake of that name in Alaska. The completion of the George Parks Highway in the 1970s (which runs alongside a different Summit Lake on the south side of the Alaska Range), which decreased traffic on the Richardson Highway, further cemented that status. This Summit Lake has only seen an increase in prominence/recognition in recent years with the popularity of the Arctic Man competition. Looks like there have been multiple attempts over the years to create an article on Arctic Man, all of which have been deleted for whatever reasons. If there is no desire to expand this coverage appropriately and this is the only article on a Summit Lake in Alaska, that means a) the current title amounts to extraneous disambiguation; b) redirecting the target title to the broader dab page makes readers who are looking for this article take an extra step in order to get here; and c) redirecting to the broader dab page doesn't help readers who may be looking for any of the other Summit Lakes, ultimately disappointing those who weren't aware that the articles haven't been written yet. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 10:55, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support No reason (yet) for the extra level of dab indirection. Seems uncontroversial: does it even need an official RM, or would you just need to request a technical move? —hike395 (talk) 13:43, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – the suggested target, Summit Lake (Alaska), is occupied by a dab page (I suppose someone reverted Hike395's blanking that you refer to). A multi-RM would be needed to say what to do with that. I don't see why/how adding ambiguity here is thought to be a good thing. Dicklyon (talk) 02:30, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't looked over An Errant Knight's most recent work, but I suspect that competing agendas led us here in the first place, hence why I didn't respond quickly to the point about this being "uncontroversial". The last such case I dealt with was Smith Lake (Alaska). There are a handful of lakes in Alaska with the same or similar name. The lake covered in that article is close to the road system and close to one of the state's leading research centers. That and the fact that somebody bothered to write an article on that particular lake didn't add up to enough in my mind to justify WP:PRIMARYTOPIC versus any other Smith Lake in Alaska. Another editor boldly disregarded that and the thought I put into the RM rationale, however. As there's a current concerted effort to get the BGN to restore indigenous place names, all this may very well be rendered irrelevant in the near future. Additionally, I suppose I could solve problems like these by doing what other editors do, namely mass-creating two-sentence permastubs on every entry on the GNIS database. I feel there's better things to do on here than that. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:54, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The situation has changed since the RM discussion was opened, and there are currently three bluelinks on the dab page at Summit Lake (Alaska) to articles about Summit Lakes that are in Alaska. Each of those articles has a significant amount of content and a photo and a map and cites multiple reliable sources. If the notion is that the one in Paxson is the primary Summit Lake among the ten listed Summit Lakes in Alaska, I suggest that partial disambiguation is generally not a good idea. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

fyi: Discussion for merging Summit Lake (Alaska) into Summit Lake is starting at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links#A Summit Lake mess. Feel free to join the discussion. —hike395 (talk) 07:02, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]