Talk:Tarring and feathering in popular culture

This article was nominated for deletion. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination:

Delete, July 17, 2022, see discussion.
Keep, April 23, 2021, see discussion.

Headings: Literature by country

Hey JSwift49! Thanks for your help and input! Do you feel strongly about your sub-headings for literature, United States and Europe? While I think they make things more readable through sub-division, I have see a problem: The beginning of the US section is actually about Great Britain, British newspapers and Martin Chuzzlewit. And I don't see and easy and smooth way to separate this out, as then we would loose the comparison to American perceptions. What do you think? Daranios (talk) 17:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You could move the first 'United States' paragraph to the start of 'Europe'. I think this could flow well:

Tarring and feathering in America was reported and discussed in many British newspapers in the 1770s, often in an exaggerating manner, emphasizing different sensibilites between the two populations and denigrating American attitude. This was in contrast to a majority of American newspapers at the time, which presented such acts in a sympathetic and euphemistic way. Charles Dickens satirized this tone of the latter in Martin Chuzzlewit (1842-1844) in the figure of Mr. Chollop: This American was an "advocate of Lynch law, and slavery; and invariably recommended, both in print and speech, the "tarring and feathering" of any unpopular person who differed from himself" and "was much esteemed for his devotion to rational Liberty". JSwift49 17:45, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That makes the one sentence about the American newspapers stick in the Europe paragraph, but the flow is fine, and it's a good start for a Europe section, so yeah, why not. Daranios (talk) 20:14, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Full disclosure for the reviewer: Formerly deleted article

The topic Tarring and feathering in popular culture was deleted after this deletion discussion. I think I could address the main concerns from that discussion by overhauling the old article, especially material being unsourced and notability concerns that there might not exist enough secondary sources for a full article. Daranios (talk) 15:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The draft was reviewed by Asilvering on 25 May 2023. The submission was declined and a merge suggested instead with the following reason given: "The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Tarring and feathering." Daranios (talk) 13:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of it, I think, would be best integrated into the main part of the Tarring and feathering article, rather than off down in the "in pop culture" section - what you've done is a lot of work on the history of it, that would work well in the chronological sections. That would take another big effort, though, and it would be understandable if you wanted to do something else after all this. -- asilvering (talk) 04:12, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Asilvering: Thanks for the input! The draft was written with giving specifically a history of the treatments within popular culture in mind, rather history of the actual procedure. So while there may be some overlap, and some historical commentary in the popular culture section which may be best moved to the actual history, a lot I think is properly placed. Not the least because critique of the deleted version of the article was that it was a list of mentions in the style of WP:TVTROPES without commentary, so historical commentary within the popular culture section is needed not to run afoul of the same critique again. In the end this indeed was a lot of work, so I just plan to do a few finishing touches and let others continue to improve further what's deemed necessary. Daranios (talk) 11:28, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]