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A1: The accent for the Spy cannot be verified by reliable sources. Unless a reliable source (which does not include fan sites or other wikis) can be found to verify the accent, or it is confirmed in a primary source from Valve, do not add accents for this character. Due to the wide-range of suggested accents for the character, it is prudent not to include any accent.

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A3: Although this was previously subject to much debate and was previously rested on machete due to the game models being named machete and a lack of reliable sources pointing to kukri, the introduction of the character customisation screen into the game has confirmed that the sniper carries a kukri, not a machete.

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Medic origin error[edit]

I thought medic was from rottenburg, not stuttgart? JVR2023 (talk) 16:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rottenburg is a Man Vs Machine location. Medic is stated in the official wiki to be from Stuttgart, Germany. GouDoug (talk) 04:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Medic's info page says its Stuttgart (https://www.teamfortress.com/classes.php?class=medic). The two cities update page says its Rottenburg (https://www.teamfortress.com/twocities/rottenburg/). This could be a continuity error or maybe Medic was born in one city and grew up in the other? 2601:646:9D82:3F50:A017:9282:8009:2C89 (talk) 20:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2024[edit]

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Add the fact that buds are no longer unanimous with trading, rarely being used today. Keys are now the most defined and used currency. 99.124.226.254 (talk) 03:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

memes section?[edit]

there is a lot of memes that have originated from tf2. for example, there is a popular tf2 meme known as "pootis," which is a misheard line from the heavy class. should a section about memes be added? AaronNinetyTwo (talk) 12:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any reliable secondary sources that discuss those memes? IceWelder [✉] 18:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i am unsure, but i have searched it on google and only found youtube, reddit, and social media pages AaronNinetyTwo (talk) 21:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So you would agree that no reliable sources have covered them? IceWelder [✉] 17:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess, but we could keep looking

I saw this tvtropes page, but I am unsure if tvtropes is a wiki or a reliable source AaronNinetyTwo (talk) 18:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to post this as well, but the show is based off of the meme AaronNinetyTwo (talk) 18:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not reliable, WP:RSPTVTROPES. Arslan35 (talk) 10:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox[edit]

The infobox should list the price. Benjamin (talk) 02:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't include prices because they vary across the globe. Masem (t) 02:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...plus its been free since 2011. -- ferret (talk) 03:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we could say that, at least. Benjamin (talk) 13:49, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We do say that, in the lead. Pricing has not been part of the infobox (globally, not local to this article) for decades, and is definitely not going to be added. -- ferret (talk) 13:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2024[edit]

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Gray Mann is now voiced in the summer 2023 community update last year by Matthew Simmons. Other voice lines were added by the same actor for Saxton Hale. Different actors are used for the main Mercenaries too. Ciaran footy (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review Bombing (SaveTF2)[edit]

A few days ago users started to review bomb tf2 in a similar way to War Thunder in order for Valve to do something about the Bot problem

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Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2024[edit]

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Change "Windows" to "PC" in references to versions of TF2. 2601:600:A480:F7A0:CC9C:8EC5:EEE0:C10C (talk) 13:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done since "Windows" and "PC" are not interchangable. IceWelder [✉] 14:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Team Fortress 2 no longer supporting MacOS, period[edit]

I found out that Steam has officially delisted Team Fortress 2 from their store yesterday for MacOS.

I tried putting it into the infobox but I could not make it work.

Can someone else add it for me please?

https://steamdb.info/changelist/23945028/

Thanks!

Urbanracer34 (talk) 16:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Urbanracer34 Infobox video game does not have a way to denote discontinuation of a platform. SteamDB is not a reliable source for Wikipedia, so we'd need to have a secondary reliable source (or a news post from Valve) in order to add it to the prose of the article. -- ferret (talk) 17:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ferret Would the page on Steam's storefront be an OK source? https://store.steampowered.com/app/440/Team_Fortress_2/ Urbanracer34 (talk) 17:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a really weird case where nothing says "Mac doesn't work anymore". This has an odd intersection with WP:OR. "Mac isn't listed after date" -> "Mac is discontinued". To verify this, we would need an web archive of 6/11 (6/12?) and the day after showing that Mac was removed. Then we could do prose like "On June 12, 2024, Mac was removed from the supported requirements." or similar. We can't do much commentary this way, but just the basic straight fact. -- ferret (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I will pass working on this. It's not really that important. Just wanted the info out there. Urbanracer34 (talk) 17:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So lets wait until a reliable source covers it AlexBobCharles (talk) 18:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This just came out a couple of days ago: [1] Urbanracer34 (talk) 23:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ferret I know this was a while ago but something new has come up from my last reply: https://www.imore.com/gaming/valve-just-dropped-mac-support-for-its-biggest-titles-team-fortress-2-portal-2-and-half-life-all-get-the-axe Urbanracer34 (talk) 15:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Urbanracer34 Seems to be a widely used source, though I've not encountered it before myself since I don't follow Mac. Should suffice. -- ferret (talk) 15:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? The article claims that every Valve game under the sun dropped Mac support, but clearly this is not case. Checked both Portals just now and their Mac versions are still available. IceWelder [✉] 15:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't look into it carefully enough. I apologize. I guess we should leave it as is. Urbanracer34 (talk) 15:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@IceWelder The store page for both Portal and Portal 2 no longer lists Mac. Even if Valve is still letting Mac users download the last support version, the store is definitely no longer listing it. -- ferret (talk) 15:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

True, but there is a difference between not showing a platform logo on the store page and outright deleting the game files for that platform, as is the case with this one. It's weird that the source doesn't make this distinction. I also noticed that (for example) Left 4 Dead, which also does not show macOS on the store page, still gets macOS updates; latest one less that two weeks ago ([2]). iMore only uses SteamDB for its sourcing; on June 12, macOS was removed from several OS lists, but the same history shows they were restored on June 14. I personally think that this is a bug on Valve's side. IceWelder [✉] 16:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2024[edit]

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I want to add an image to this article. Kingofthewetcats (talk) 11:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Which image would you like to add? Could you provide a link to it on Commons? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]