Talk:Toad the Wet Sprocket

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Origins of band

The article says that Toad formed in 1986 when Glen Phillips was 14. Glen Phillips' page says he was born in 1970, making it impossible for him to have been 14 at any point in 1986. Something here is inaccurate, either the year they were formed or Phillips' age at the time.--Jonk1011 (talk) 03:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New album?

I can find no info that Toad is working on a new album. Everything I find shows that they are still working seperately. Can anyone verify? (unsigned comment, 8 March 2005 by Windischa)

I'm a pretty decent regular on glen's website message boards and I have not yet seen anything regarding a new Toad album. Frankly, I would be quite surprised if there was one in the works. (unsigned comment, 9 March 2005 by 207.74.123.2)

I think someone is confused because of Glen's new CD. I did reseach, couldn't verify and removed it. I would love to be proven wrong. Cmouse 05:54, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Eric Idle

I changed the reference from the John Cleese monologue to Eric Idle, as I'm more than 90% sure it's correct. If anyone thinks I'm wrong discuss it here. -R. fiend 15:34, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Folk Pop

I'm curious as to where the classification "Folk Pop" came from. Indeed, I'm not exactly sure what genre TtWS should be. I've heard "Alternative Rock" most often. A quick skim of the Folk Music article mentions some articles that can be likened to TtWS. Nothing about Folk Pop is mentioned, though. There is a reference (in the discussion of that article) to "Folk Rock" music, which might be the better classification. I'm not making any change based on this, since I'm anything but knowledgeable about music genres. Gertlex 17:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite

I just completed a rather large rewrite of this entry, trying to expand the information so it was more of an article and less just sections with charts and outlines of information. Two major things I did was remove all the singles information below the singles chart, assuming we can put any relevant info with the album pages, and removed the compilations, as very few of those comps included otherwise unknown music from albums.

I also removed the speculation on the 2006 reunion tour, as I couldn't find any sources on it. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 20:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Although some of the hardcore Toad fans may complain that you went too far, I think you've done a good job with this cleanup -- particularly by pruning the redundant and extraneous details. Thanks for the effort. Engineer Bob 21:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Trust me, I'm nearly as hardcore as they come. I'm hoping that if some of the extra info I removed is worthy, we can move it to the album pages, which I've done some cleaning up on. I'm a good person, I have a mancrush on Glen, love me please! --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 21:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - The rumors of a "reunion" tour are apparently somewhat true. I'm not too sure on the details myself, as there's nothing offically (in terms of exactly where/when/who) announced. I can reference you to the following link to a post by Todd of TtWS on Lapdog's messageboards: http://p081.ezboard.com/flapdogfrm8.showMessage?topicID=287.topic Gertlex 01:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - Ah, wouldn't have thought to check the Lapdog boards. Good stuff, thanks. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 02:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is an excellent article, nice work. Just wanted to explain my edit to the last line on P.S. I read a discussion on the Lapdog boards with Todd quite some time ago asking why he didn't play on the new songs - Rob Taylor, Lapdog guitarist at the time, was credited with additional guitars on those two songs. That led folks to jump to the conclusion that Todd didn't play on either of the new songs. If I'm remembering right, Todd DID play on "PS" itself, and was very excited that they finally did a recording of that "classic Toad song" that they all felt did it justice. But "Eyes Open Wide" was "just another new Glen song" that Todd didn't think fit a retrospective album, so he just declined to play on it. Rob filled in. I'm speculating here, but I think on PS, Todd played the rhythm/lead electric guitar, Rob played the acoustic, and Glen played the mandolin. ... Thanks for the great work. I'm a newbie to Wikipedia, enjoying contributions where I can! Mmdolbow 02:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• You may want to delete the word "posthumous". All poetic license aside, the band members did not expire.

Toad

The article has no mention of the British heavy metal band Toad the Wet Sprocket, from the late 1970s. [1] [2] [3] They only released a few singles and made a few compilation appearances, but there should at least be a one-line "this band is not to be confused with" mention, or even a disambiguation page. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 02:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You (or anyone) could go ahead and create the other article, Toad the Wet Sprocket (UK band), and then we could add a hatnote on this article to help readers navigate to it. But we usually do not add the hatnote (or create a disambiguation page) until the other article exists. --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was a mention of the NWOBHM band here at one point coz I put it there myself! But I don't know enough about them to write an article; the sole thing I could tell anyone is that I once saw them supporting Samson and Iron Maiden at the University of Surrey (and they were a bit crap). Mr Larrington (talk) 14:33, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The band was from Luton. They did a session for the Friday Rock Show on Radio 1 which was aired nationally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.154.81.54 (talk) 03:25, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Notes at the end

I'm not sure that the "Almost a Year Abroad" link at the bottom goes where the author intended MKale (talk) 04:53, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

relative dates

The name is attributed to "Rock Notes" on Monty Python's Contractual Obligation Album (1980), but it was first used in Rutland Weekend Television (1975). I considered the possibility that COA consisted of old leftovers recorded before 1975, but its article indicates that the RWT bit came first. —Tamfang (talk) 06:40, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Toad the Wet Sprocket discography

Support split - Discography section is long and should be split to Toad the Wet Sprocket discography. Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Songsteel:@Walter Görlitz:@Koavf: --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:06, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Jax 0677: Agreed. Do you need my help doing it or are you just asking for my opinion? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:12, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Per WP:SIZERULE :

Readable prose size	What to do
> 100 kB	Almost certainly should be divided
> 60 kB	Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material)
> 50 kB	May need to be divided (likelihood goes up with size)
< 40 kB	Length alone does not justify division
< 1 kB	If an article or list has remained this size for over a couple of months, consider combining it with a related page. Alternatively, why not fix it by adding more info? See Wikipedia:Stub.

This article is 32,802 bytes bytes or 32.8 KB. Close to too long. The tables make it vertically long. I support a split. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:42, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support split per SIZERULE as explained above. The tables could use some reformatting to better match the layout of other discography articles (for example, the chart columns in the singles table seem awfully narrow, whereas the "US Top 200" column in the albums tables is quite wide). A reference, or collection of song-specific references, should be found for US Airplay column. Songsteel (talk) 05:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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