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Nantes not actually TFS; TFS-1 v TFS-2

The article contains the footnote, referring to the TFS trams at Nantes:

Not literally a TFS, but an early variation of the TFS, similar to the RATP's MF-77 and to Manchester Metrolink

I have two issues with this. Firstly the Nantes cars are in no obvious way similar to an MF-77 (which is a metro car) and only similar to the Manchester Metrolink cars in that they are high floor tramcars of a similar era.

More importantly, I believe that the Nantes cars are very much TFS trams. They were the original TFS cars (sometimes referred to as TFS-1), built with the intention that they would become the standard French tram. The cars built for Grenoble and elsewhere were derivatives with a low floor section (sometimes referred to as TFS-2).

The article seems to concentrate entirely on the TFS-2. I propose to rectify this, unless somebody objects. -- Starbois (talk) 09:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've just checked on the http://www.trams-in-france.net/ web site. This unequivocably describes the cars in Nantes as 'Alstom TFS-1', those in Grenoble, Rouen and Paris as 'Alstom TFS-2'. I've started to change the article to reflect this. I still need to find technical details for the TFS-1 to match those of the TFS-2. If anybody can help, please do so -- Starbois (talk) 15:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TFS at Saint Etienne

File:Tramway de Saint Etienne - Tramway Vevey - La Terrasse.jpg

Alsthom-Vevey tramcar at the semi terminus of La Terrasse.

Examining the photograph of one of the Saint Etienne cars, it is clear that this car is quite different from the TFS-2. Instead of the short central section of the TFS-2, which is carried on the central truck, the Saint Etienne car has an asymetrically placed low-profile bogie under one half of the car. This is probably because, unlike all the other users of TFS trams, Saint Etienne is metre gauge. On the standard gauge TFS-2, the low floor runs between the wheels of the central truck; I'd guess metre gauge doesn't allow enough space for this.

Also the Saint Etienne cars are attributed to Alsthom-Vevey-Duewag. Vevey and Duewag were responsible for the earlier Geneva low floor cars, also on metre gauge. My impression looking at the photograph is that this is essentially a Geneva car, with a front-end redesigned to be similar to that of the TFS. I've never heard them classified as TFS cars before. Can anybody provide a cite for this naming. -- Starbois (talk) 15:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've just checked on the http://www.trams-in-france.net/ web site. This unequivocably describes the cars in Nantes as 'Alstom TFS-1', those in Grenoble, Rouen and Paris as 'Alstom TFS-2', but describes the Saint Etienne cars as 'Alstom/Vevey type Saint-Étienne' without mentioning TFS at all. Counter-cites welcome. -- Starbois (talk) 16:11, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the absence of any counter-cites over the last 6 weeks, I have dropped all references to the Saint Etienne cars. -- Starbois (talk) 15:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

land-train radios and ICS, infrared SAM

The article contains the following text:

The tramcars are equipped with land-train radios and ICS, infrared SAM and ...

As I write two of these links are red, and one points to a dab page. To me, ICS stands for Internet Connection Sharing, an infrared SAM is a type of anti-aircraft missile, and I've no clue what a land-train radio is. And I thought I knew a bit about trams. Google doesn't help either, so I'm wondering if these are translation artifacts. Can anybody help fixing up these references in a more sensible way. -- Starbois (talk) 15:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changes in fleet

Rouen has sold the TFS, Grenoble gave a face-lift to some of its TFS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.151.197.24 (talk) 11:06, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]