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Transsexual	9,419	9,419
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"LGBT" or "LGBTQ" mentions to be changed to "LGBTQ+" Supersonicbadger (talk) 21:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: see Talk:LGBTQ. Without the primary article being renamed there's no reason to make these blanket changes Cannolis (talk) 22:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw a diff earlier today of someone changing LGBT to LGBTQ and did a surface-level search of the MOS to see if there was any relevant guidance on the preferred alternative. Interestingly, there doesn't seem to be. Definitely support your decision, but I do wish there was some more concrete guidance. Perhaps I just haven't found it yet lol. (Forgot to tag @Cannolis)

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | 00:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy diff: Special:Diff/1250996485.

The article LGBT was recently moved to LGBTQ (see Talk:LGBTQ#Requested move 14 August 2024), per WP:COMMONTERM (LGBTQ appears to have surpassed LGBT in Google Ngrams results). The community is showing an informal consensus to reflect this in other article titles, templates, categories, and article text. That decision is still being gradually implemented. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 00:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, interesting, thanks for letting me know. @RoxySaunders

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | 01:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The rename of various sub-articles under LGBTQ is following WP:CONSUB, which is an explanatory essay guide under the WP:AT policy.

Various sub articles have been moved to follow suit of the move from LGBT -> LGBTQ, dome with RM discussions and more uncontroversial ones with bold moves.

I've been doing a lot of the WP:WIKIGNOMEing behind the scenes over the past two months to go through relevant articles with the manual cleanups required to ensure the changed prose is correct.

Note that following the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBTQ+_studies#Requested_move_6_September_2024 discussion at the WikiProject WP:LGBTQ+, that one was moved to LGBTQ+ since it's a community project, so we don't have to follow article title policies as closely and the community felt the + is worth adding, but as explained in the original move of LGBTQ - the title including the + has not overtaken the term without it, so LGBTQ is the best we can do right now based on the data. Raladic (talk) 02:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

incorrect survey numbers

In the sexual orientation section its said "The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey reported that of the 27,715 transgender and non-binary respondents, 21% said queer best described their sexual orientation, 18% said pansexual, 16% said gay, lesbian, or same-gender-loving, 15% said straight, 14% said bisexual, and 10% said asexual."

Firstly the survey this is mentioning also included 758 cross dressers. Secondly a lot of the percentages are just incorrect Asexuals had 11%, Bisexual has 15% and 12% said straight. Sorry if I'm just misunderstanding something or if this is the wrong place to mention this.

https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf Page 250 Q2.8 206.57.251.52 (talk) 17:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also to clarify the included cross dressers are in the total 27715 Pg 249 Q2.1 & Q2.3. Gender categories used for analysis. 206.57.251.52 (talk) 17:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I think it might be a good idea to add a source to the sentence that the word transgenderism was once considered acceptable. I found this article when looking it up: "https://juliaserano.medium.com/the-history-of-the-word-transgenderism-55fd9bbf65cc". Istilldontlikemyusername (talk) 20:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 21:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Trans § Requested move 15 November 2024

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Trans § Requested move 15 November 2024. Please join the move discussion for a primary redirect to this article currently in progress. Raladic (talk) 23:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Transgender & Transsexual

This question is not about people, but about terminology. Please don't flame me. I've read both articles and a goodly chunk of the archives. Maybe I missed it, but I can't find RS that really explains the difference between terms "transsexual" and "transgender" or makes a definite statement that they are the same. I find lots of opinions, but no sourcing. As a follow-on, are there particular researchers who have made a study of how use of the terms has changed over time? Bitten Peach (talk) 21:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bitten Peach: Flame! Haha, just kidding. :)

Are you looking for new sources to add to the article, or sources for your own research? If the latter, I would recommend that you check out the terminology section on this article and see if there are any relevant sources there - I seem to recall finding relevant information to your query a month or two ago when I was checking some sources for this article. If the former, let me know, and perhaps I can help your search. In either case, the sources at the bottom of the article, especially the academic sources (some of the sources in "References" are sorted by type and some are not), may help you in your search. Perhaps you could check out the references in the linked sources themselves. Have a good day!

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://glaad.org/reference/trans-terms

Scroll down to "Transsexual"

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

more academic sources, found with google scholar:

https://quadernsdepsicologia.cat/article/view/v20-n3-aguirre

(spanish website but english pdf)

https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ST2XEAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA1&dq=transgender+transsexual+terminology&ots=bO_jhuXH4Y&sig=Ks_R3H1MT8KLWTXce-YqrLaNZZY#v=onepage&q=transgender%20transsexual%20terminology&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=A1emBgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA173&dq=transgender+transsexual+terminology&ots=qyJWq9B-6F&sig=BJSEGZjO2N6TwInE42rhWHlEFec#v=onepage&q=transgender%20transsexual%20terminology&f=false

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-29093-1_4 JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 22:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, there doesn't seem to be an exhaustive etymological analysis of the differing word uses, at least based on my cursory search. That's unfortunate.

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the sources. At least it's someplace to start. And to answer the early q, it's for personal research but I'd hoped to improve the article when/if I found something that really talked to the terminology. Bitten Peach (talk) 22:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]