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Weak Support since the 2018 Trami was also quite consequential(and a Category 5 per JTWC). This Trami appears to have caused a much higher amount of deaths. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 16:49, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The 2013 iteration of Tropical Storm Trami didn't cause more deaths than this storm, though that storm caused half of the deaths, and deaths aren't the deciding factor here. The 2013 iteration was actually once a typhoon by the JTWC and caused more damages than this iteration. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The damage report will take a few more days to be released, as the figures may still change. This Trami has the highest death toll compared to previous storms with the same name. HurricaneEdgar04:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fatalities aren't just the deciding topic, Damage, Winds, Pressure, Coverage (the most important) are other topics you should consider, and since the 2013 iteration was the highest in all of them, then the 2013 edition might be the most significant, though I don't know about the last part. The app Windy says that the storm will make landfall in Vietnam tomorrow, so I don't think there will be that much more damage. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗05:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there is a Wikipedia policy that determines when terms like 'Damage,' 'Winds,' 'Pressure,' or 'Coverage'. Wikipedia usually prioritizes a term based on usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic. HurricaneEdgar05:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder why you used fatalities then, but I think "Coverage" applies to this. I will search if the 2013 version has more coverage or less. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗05:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Way deadlier, more destructive, and (personally) more notable and notorious than the 2006, 2013 and 2018 iterations but I don't think 2024's Trami is not yet the primary topic, as of this writing at least. But once it becomes the primary topic, I think I will change my vote to strong support. Vida0007 (talk) 05:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To add: if the Philippine name is retired, the JMA-assigned name to that decommissioned (PAGASA loves to use this term) storm name (international name) would end up being retired as well, if the Philippines would request for it in the next ESCAP/WMO session. This has been the way since 2015.
This actually results in storms that are usually relatively insignificant (i.e. causes only a few ten million dollars with single-digit number of deaths) to be retired, which causes cases like Vongfong 2020 and Saola 2023, which have the year indicators even though they were retired in those years. Bugnawfang (talk) 11:09, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Relatively high death toll, but it looks pale, especially with the damage total. Nevertheless, I think it will gain a lot more traction in the coming weeks after chaos from Kristine settles; it's just a matter of time for this Bugnawfang (talk) 14:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC) SuperStrong support: 165 deaths is too much. Since we're dealing with Tramis that peaked at tropical storm intensity, I'm only basing it on those storms that peaked at TS or STS. 2018 Trami is excluded as it peaked as a typhoon, so it's not a case of WP:RECENTISM (you can move that page to Typhoon Trami and put a hatnote to distinguish it from 2024 Trami). Compare this to Nock-ten 2011, when the name wasn't retired until 2016, but it still held that distinction for only peaking at TS. --Bugnawfang (talk) 06:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. Given that the storm is active I think it is a form of WP:RECENTISM to think that this storm is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I am leaning towards the status quo and to revisit this discussion maybe a year after. By then, there will hopefully be more clarity. —seav (talk) 00:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral/weak support – Though indeed it is deadlier than the other Trami storms, it's not as costly and strong as 2018's and not as costly as 2013's Trami, I'd say this Trami does have a great chance to become WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, There's still recency bias though. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 04:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Really? No one here supports just waiting a bit and seeing what happens? The final death toll might be way higher. 2003LN616:09, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. We have done this all the time before an example is Typhoon Mawar had no year apart of its title, even though there were other storms called Mawar. It was because it was the deadliest and most relevant storm out of all the storms named Mawar. It should be the same for this storm. 8bit12man (talk) 02:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opposite Another comment from me, as I said that many people can't distinguish one article with the other.
Oppose – The notability of Trami 2024 does not clearly outshine that of all other storms with that name, and it has no readily apparent long-term significance at this time. Drdpw (talk) 13:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you describe your rational a bit more? If it's based in your locality and residency, then that might be a bias, and you might need to research this topic a bit more. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗08:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PAGASA has hard retirement requirements for damages/deaths (300 deaths or 1 billion Filipino pesos). Therefore, it has passed the damage criteria for PAGASA retirement and it will almost certainly be retired. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 16:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral The 2018 and 2013 versions of Trami caused more damage than this version so far, but this version caused more deaths than the two combined. I'd say to move it, only if it gets retired. AccordTM (talk) 16:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This version of Trami, while not costing a lot of damages (in terms of US dollars), is deadlier than the past versions, in which, (for me) makes this Trami the notable one. Additionally, the storm's name (Kristine) would surely be decommissioned by PAGASA and I would say the same will go for Trami, since it caused a significant loss for the Philippines (evident with the country commemorating a National Day of Mourning on November 4 for the victims of this tropical cyclone).
On another note, I also recommend Bugnawfang's recommendation to put a hatnote on the 2018's Trami and this version of Trami (if this article ever be renamed as 'Tropical Storm Trami') to distinguish them from each other. Writer-ian26 (talk) 14:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support This iteration of Trami is very destructive, significantly large as a STS, had a big death toll and is most likely to be retired at the end of the season. Anyone, please close and move this page now. It is clearly WP:PRIMARYTOPICComrade TT TV (talk) 15:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Is there any actual evidence people can’t distinguish the name? People are saying it but there is no actual example shown of people being not able to distinguish between the names. 8bit12man (talk) 04:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tropical Storm Trami (2024) → Tropical Storm Trami Looks like Trami would come back to the Philippines as I checked in Zoom Earth (zoom.earth). Anyways, I don't think a move shall be made as of now. "Keep it as it is." Remember that. Anenglishguyinthephils95 (talk) 10:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HurricaneEdgar I recall a report about one dead person from a falling tree in Manila sometime around 23-25 October but couldn't find it here in the article anymore. Maybe that could explain why the table is a bit inconsistent. Borgenland (talk) 16:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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