Talk:Try (rugby)

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Try was increased to 4 points in the early 70s.

Where is the section for the 8-point try? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.3.8 (talk) 08:56, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

8 point try

I think someone knowledgeable needs to add the concept of the NRL 8 point try. - Richard Cavell (talk) 08:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Past to present

Modern rugby and all derived forms now favour the try over a goal and thus the try has a definite value, that has increased over time and has for many years surpassed the number of points awarded for a goal. In rugby league and rugby union, a conversion attempt is still given, but is simply seen as adding extra 'bonus' points. These points however can mean the difference between winning or losing a match, so thought is given to fielding players with good goal-kicking skill.

This seems to me to be a bit of a sweeping statement, I'm not sure what "modern rugby and all derived forms now favour the try over a goal" is meant to convey. In Union matches particularly it is extremely common for the majority of points to come from kicks. pablo 15:52, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the comment on favouring tries is because the Try itself is work more points than a kicked goal or Penalty. One consideration of this is the risk factor: a kicked goal is far harder, if not impossible, to intercept than it is to tackle a player aiming for a Try. This is mitigated by the ever-increasing difficulty of sending the ball exactly where intended the further away it is kicked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.10.235.165 (talk) 18:39, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Is it me, or does the lead read like someone is explaining the concept to a Canadian or American rather than to a general audience? While there may be some value in comparing a try with a touchdown in American Football, I don't think this is going to be much help to someone from another background (for example, someone from a culture where neither rugby, league, nor American football is common). - Shudde ^talk 07:17, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not you, it does. My overall opinion is that this is written by someone who does not understand the origins of all the different forms of football in an utterly irregulated competition between villages, where the ball could be almost anything, the goals often significant sites in each village, and the teams unlimited in number. This then mutated into the slightly more regulated forms of the game played in the various public schools in a meeting in Cambridge in 1848, and then again with the start of Rugby football supposedly in 1823, Association football in the 1860s, and the breakaway of Rugby League from Rugby football, now termed Rugby Union, in 1895. At some point prior to the codification of Rugby football, carrying the ball in the arms was severely constrained, although it is noticable that even in soccer, both the goalkeeper within the Penalty area and a player throwing the ball in use their hands. I would, fro example, have expected some mention of the Rule, now somewhat mitigated, that the ball must be under downward pressure on the ground from the player carrying it: if a defender holds it up by legally getting part of his body under it, there is no try, and if the ball just happens to be on the ground, for example landing within the circle of his arms, then again there may not be a try. Nor for that matter does the downward pressure have to be from his hands, there have even been cases where a ball has been pushed down through a ruck by a player sitting on it.

Therefore I rather think the entire discussion is as irrelevant to the point under discussion as comparing it to scoring a boundary in cricket or making a decent cup of tea would be.

What would be useful in understanding the Rule is to have a more precise history of the mutation of the Rules and refereeing interpretation in recent years. I would suggest that the appropriate Section of the Rules of each code be cited verbatim, as "Statute", and an explanation of how the Rule is actually applied, as "Case Law". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.10.235.165 (talk) 18:42, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Trial

Did the planned trial happen? Also what are the values for the 2016–17 Welsh Premier Division season? The Welsh Rugby Union is planning to trial a change in the scoring value in the 2015–16 Welsh Premier Division (the level below Pro12). Under the trial plan, which must still be approved by World Rugby, a try would be worth six points instead of five, with penalty tries worth eight points with no conversion attempt taken. In addition, penalties and drop goals would be reduced from three points to two Mobile mundo (talk) 19:01, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Wheelchair Rugby

Our article currently makes no mention of wheelchair rugby, and our wheelchair rugby article (to whose Talk Page I have just added a similar section) currently speaks only of Goals, with no mention of Tries. But the Channel 4 commentary on the Tokyo 2020 Paralympic Games (currently taking place in 2021 due to the Covid19 pandemic) almost always speaks of tries, and when a player scores a caption (presumably from some official paralympic broadcaster) often or usually appears showing his (or very rarely her) name and the word "tries" followed by the number of times he or she has scored in the match, thus seemingly indicating that 'tries' is now some sort of official terminology, at least in British English (for all I know, it could be Goals, Points, Scores, or Touchdowns, in various other varieties of English). I think both articles need to be amended to say something about this, though quite likely I won't be doing so myself anytime soon (if at all) per WP:NOTCOMPULSORY and WP:BNO, so other perhaps more interested editors should feel free to try to fix the matter themselves. Tlhslobus (talk) 11:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On second thoughts, I've now added similar sentences to both articles, which may well be adequate. Tlhslobus (talk) 12:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]