Talk:UEFA Euro 2024

Official names

See Talk:UEFA European Championship/Official names Piotr Bart (talk) 12:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Groups

Why are those countries listed in those groups? How were they qualified? How have they played 3 matches in 2022 when all matches are set to be played in 2024? --138.246.3.169 (talk) 12:59, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

It's fixed now. --138.246.3.169 (talk) 13:19, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Italy not qualified?

Do they not get an automatic qualification? Faronnorth (talk) 20:53, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

The holders have never had automatic qualification for the European Championships. – PeeJay 11:24, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

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Pots

Portugal is guaranteed for Pot 1 Cw131007 (talk) 15:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Czechoslovakia

Surely Slovakia should have Czechoslovakia appearances counted as well as the Czech Republic. It does not make sense to include them for CZE but not for SVK. BigLob1 (talk) 22:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

It's because the Czech Republic is considered as the predecessor country of Czechoslovakia, exactly the same how Serbia is when it comes to Yugoslavia and Serbia&Montenegro Real Heydavid17 (talk) 23:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Both Czechia and Slovakia are considered the successors to Czechoslovakia (see here). Czechia is considered to have qualified for 10 previous tournaments, while Slovakia is considered to have qualified for five. This is explained further at the bottom of the page, where they say "A number of UEFA associations have been affected by dissolution or splits of member associations. For statistical purposes, the records of these inactive countries have been allocated elsewhere: therefore, all Soviet Union matches are awarded to Russia; all West Germany – but not East Germany – matches are awarded to Germany; all Yugoslavia and Serbia & Montenegro matches are awarded to Serbia; all Czechoslovakia matches are allocated to both Czechia and Slovakia." – PeeJay 01:14, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Point I was trying to make without a history lesson.. BigLob1 (talk) 22:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Croatia are missing

I think Croatia are missing (or "is missing"?) from the section headed Seeding. It's too complicated for me to see where they should go, though. Sorry! Nick Barnett (talk) 07:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I think they're missing because they haven't qualified yet. If they don't win today, Wales can overtake them with a win over Turkiye. – PeeJay 13:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

please dont ban me.

i accidentally made a massive edit, it wasnt meant to be published. dont ban me from editing 109.76.183.56 (talk) 18:42, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Confusing tag, placement of qualification map

With the qualification map being placed (a second time?) in the article at the top of the article, it falls next to the host selection section. This is unclear and creates a situation where a reader can infer that the map is the countries that were in competition to host the event.

Is the exclusion of Russia a compelling enough reason to place this at the top of the article, and if so, is this illustration what we can best use to visually convey that information? —C.Fred (talk) 19:06, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

The overview map is included once in the article. I consider the alleged confusion regarding the section on the host country to be unfounded. The context of the overview map is clearly recognizable by the heading on the participating teams. This fact, together with the fact that Russia's exclusion from a European competition is very relevant, should be sufficient. This overview map should therefore be positioned here. Bildersindtoll (talk) 21:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I've just moved the map to the qualification section, as there are always unfounded edits and it's too much of a waste of my time and the article to keep this going forever without any real discussion taking place. Topic closed accordingly. Bildersindtoll (talk) 10:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

How to present the playoff winners

Is there any reason at this point not to list the playoff winners into the pots, with a note that their identities were not known at the time of the draw? If not, when do we provide readers of this article information about the qualification? —C.Fred (talk) 12:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes there is a clear reason: listing factually correct information. These countries were not in the pots of the draw, so us listing them there would be patently false. The list of qualified teams and the full groups are already listed elsewhere.Tvx1 12:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

"Germany 2024" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Germany 2024 has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 31 § Germany 2024 until a consensus is reached. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 02:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Third place teams

Is it really suitable to have a pseudo-table for third place teams when we don't have any third placed teams? The table has no meaning until at least one of the groups has completed, surely? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

There are temporary third-place teams. I think it's good enough. Eitan Drutman (talk) 15:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

but it tells us absolutely nothing. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

It's like coloring the first 2 places before the teams secured their places imo... Eitan Drutman (talk) 17:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

FIFA World Rankings

It’d be excellent to have each team’s current FIFA World Ranking in the group tables to give a better sense of the relative equality/disparity of each match. NelsonMartin67 (talk) 15:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

the source doesn't do that, so neither should we. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Let’s make this Wikipedia page better than the source. NelsonMartin67 (talk) 19:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

That's not what we do here. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Current FIFA rankings of the teams are here: https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men NelsonMartin67 (talk) 19:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Attendance of the game in the group C

Why the attendance in group C in the game in Stuttgart is 54000? But higher there is written that Stuttgart Arena has 51000 capacity? What is wrong? Attendance or capacity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramirez2387 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Attendance is wrong I think. Eitan Drutman (talk) 12:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

There were some issues with that in past tournaments, so it's probably the issue this time as well. Eitan Drutman (talk) 12:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Correct error! Why the game has 54000? If the stadium is written with 51000 capacity? Wfk.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramirez2387 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

UEFA Euro 2024 Gaming

I think we should add a part about UEFA's official gaming features - the "Fantasy Football", the "Match Predictor", the "Tornament/Knockout Bracket(s)", and maybe the Quizzes as well...

Opinions? Eitan Drutman (talk) 15:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Seems very unencyclopedic. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

How is it different from the marketing, symbols, etc. ? Eitan Drutman (talk) 12:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

doesn't every major football league have a fantasy football attached? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

That's true, yeah. How is it changing anything though? Eitan Drutman (talk) 17:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Because it's routine and not notable. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I think that it's still worth writing about... Eitan Drutman (talk) 18:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Are there any secondary reliable sources that talk about these games? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't find any. Eitan Drutman (talk) 20:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Only some youtubers... Eitan Drutman (talk) 20:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Why? Eitan Drutman (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean "why"? Have those games been covered at all by third-party sources? If not, we can't include it. As far as I can see, those things are only mentioned on UEFA's own website, which is not third-party. – PeeJay 14:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

By "why" I mean why can't we include it? Eitan Drutman (talk) 14:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Premature group highlighting

This has been a constant "feature" of soccer/football tournament pages on Wikipedia forever, so apologies if this has been talked about to death other times...

Can the highlighting for advancement (green) or possible advancement (blue) only occur when teams actually qualify? It's always been annoying to visit tournament pages in the mid-late phases of the group stage and to never tell if a team has actually qualified or if it just happens to be sitting in the top two slots and is just being auto-colored by the template. 2A02:20C8:4124:0:0:0:0:D501 (talk) 02:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we like pretty colours at all times (especially via flags), so it doesn’t matter about functionality. Seasider53 (talk) 02:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Updating the goalscorers in real-time

Why not update the goalscorers in real-time? It's not like it will change or something...

I'm talking on the main article, not the table at the beginning. Eitan Drutman (talk) 18:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Because we aren’t a sports website. Seasider53 (talk) 18:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

As I said before, it won't change. So why wait for the game to end? Eitan Drutman (talk) 18:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

A multitude of reasons, the main one being that we aren't a news website. Our policy can be found at WP:LIVESCORES. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

You keep missing my point... My point is that we can update it in real-time so it will be updated as soon as possible... Eitan Drutman (talk) 20:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

No. We aren't a ticker-tape news site. There's various reasons why we don't update scores as they happen, including avoiding potential mistakes and edit conflicts. We aren't here to be updated "as soon as possible". We are an encyclopedia. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay. I understand what you're saying. I don't fully agree but I'll follow it. Eitan Drutman (talk) 20:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The other reason is that a result is not official until after the final whistle. Anything could happen during a game that nullifies the result. – PeeJay 14:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Like what? I didn't see something cancel a goal or match result after the VAR approves it... Eitan Drutman (talk) 14:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

There have been goals disallowed after lengthy VAR checks before (5+ minutes), this would be a major issue with live updates. Also matches can be interrupted, abandoned, annulled, forfeited, etc. which could result in statistics not being counted (depending on the situation). There is no reason to rush, we can wait until the match has finished to add the complete result/statistics. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Czechia

They are using Czechia why can't Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.113.9 (talk) 20:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, I swear it was down as Czechia before - can't seem to find when it changed. Has this been discussed? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't see it being discussed on this page anyway

thanks for the reply 97.116.113.9 (talk) 20:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The country's article is located at Czech Republic, and the national team at Czech Republic national football team. We will not switch to "Czechia" unless there is consensus that the country's common name has changed. Similar to why we aren't using "Türkiye", or "Côte d'Ivoire" in other articles. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Wow, there really is a massive thread at Talk:Czech Republic. Probably best to wait until an RM changes on there. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I think it should be written as "Czechia". Eitan Drutman (talk) 13:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Based on what? We can't make changes here just based on what people think, it has to be based on sources. – PeeJay 14:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Because that's how it is written in the offical games... Eitan Drutman (talk) 14:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

What about in third-party sources? What do news websites say? The BBC says Czech Republic and Turkey, not Czechia and Türkiye. So does The Guardian. – PeeJay 16:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

There is a section named "Adoption of Czechia" in the Wikipedia article Name of the Czech Republic, where it contains citations for Czech Football Association adopting Czechia on 24 May 2022. The citation is in Czech, and I can't read Czech, but a cursory glance on that Wikipedia article (cursory read is a dangerous thing I know) seems to contain a lot of citations in that article. But I haven't gone into checking the edit history of that article to see if many of those changes were made recently (within the proximity of Euro 2024). However, if that's Czech Football Association's official stance on its naming, it does make a strong case of needing to change the name from Czech Republic to Czechia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.17.220 (talk) 06:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I think we should really defer to the title of the article in question Czech Republic national football team. If that were to have a successful RM, then it should change here. But that would likely change based on the Czech Republic article Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Section for Incidents and controversies

Can a section for this be added? This is in the article for the 2020 Euros. The crowd trouble at the Turkey v Georgia game in the stadium is a significant incident, along with the crowd trouble between the Serbia and England fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.194.245.4 (talk) 12:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to write it yourself with reliable sources to demonstrate whether it is noteworthy. You can then submit an edit request or create an account to add the text. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Attendance

Where do you get the attendance statistics? The source is missing... Eitan Drutman (talk) 15:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

They should be in the full-time reports for each match (see Croatia v Albania here). – PeeJay 16:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thanks. Eitan Drutman (talk) 17:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Far too much VAR ?

I think that question could be in the article somewhere. It's like unusually high quality offensive football partly is destroyed by VAR. For instance, the offside rule, is a necessity (so the game won't be long balls to players waiting very high up) but should it be a question of an inch ? I think FIFA well could change the rule so "longer (distance or time) than one feet or a half second". Just enough to allow "tiny" offsides. It would make the game even more exciting, as I see it. And VAR should only be used for goal or not (ball over the line or not) and possibly for doubtful penalty situations. Sorry if I crossed a Wiki rule. John Eriksson, 59, Scania, Sweden 83.254.179.26 (talk) 19:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC)