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Recent Deletion of material based on USCCB Website

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A series of recent edits by @Avatar317: deleted descriptive material about the history and structure of the USCCB, referring to the guideline Independent Sources, which stresses the importance of such independent sources. However, it does not consider the discussion in the Verifiability Policy of Self-published or questionable sources as sources on themselves which gives a greater tolerance for self published sources in articles about themselves.

Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the self-published source requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:
  1. the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim;
  2. it does not involve claims about third parties;
  3. it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source;
  4. there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; and
  5. the article is not based primarily on such sources.

Since the deleted material on the history, structure, and past officers of the USCCB are not self-serving, are directly related to the subject, are not likely to be inauthentic and, in many cases, are not likely to be conveniently accesable in other sources, I propose undoing these edits, perhaps flagging the sections with a {{Third-party|section}} template to invite editors to determine additional sources. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 21:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SteveMcCluskey, I concur with undoing those edits. Elizium23 (talk) 21:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
History and structure would be ok (still must be SOURCED, but self-source is ok) as long as the section is not WP:UNDUE-ly large. Independent Sources prevent editors from including excessive detail.
Anything mentioning their policy positions is WP:PROMOTIONAL and must be sourced in WP:IS. ---Avatar317(talk) 22:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

USCCB and Joe Biden

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The incident with the USCCB "congratulations" to Biden is in the news and quite WP:DUE. Many commentators are taking note of the internal strife evidenced by Cupich's dissent. It's in America magazine, National Catholic Reporter, multiple articles in the National Catholic Register. Elizium23 (talk) 22:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Given the category of "History" of the organization, unless it's something like the Conference has split officially, a statement by one bishop with another bishop dissenting probably isn't noteworthy for addition here. The alliance (talk) 23:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am open to moving it to another section, and restoring vast swaths of the article that were falsely called promotional. Elizium23 (talk) 23:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This article is about the USCCB, so let's keep focus on USCCB-related statements and developments. WP:COATRACK can apply. Elizium23 (talk) 19:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Region Map

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Doesn't the region map need to be updated for the creation of the Province of Las Vegas? Maybe I misunderstand. MrArticleOne (talk) 00:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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