Talk:Volksparkstadion

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"The date marked the 40th birthday of Hamburg manager Thomas Doll."

OK, but was there some promotion going on related to the birthday that significantly increased the crowd for the match? If not, I don't see the point of including the comment about the manager's birthday.

Date built

I thought this stadium was built in 200 or 2001? Kingjeff 03:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.hsv-hshnordbank-arena.de/

I changed the link to the proper URL. Polemon (talk) 15:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was not moved. Aervanath talks like a mover, but not a shaker 07:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

HSH Nordbank Arena → Volksparkstadion — This famous ground must surely more commonly be known by its unsponsored name. — Dancarney (talk) 12:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Evidence? Knepflerle (talk) 14:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Google search gives 426,000 hits for "hsh nordbank arena" -volksparkstadion but only 43,500 hits for volksparkstadion -"hsh nordbank arena". – Pee Jay 13:24, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related page moves. Dancarney (talk) 12:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the discussion here, here, here, here for some arguments. Generally the discussion seems to lean in favor of just using WP:COMMONNAME, or the non-sponsored name if the stadium has ever had one, as it is felt that sponsored names are transitional. (E.g. this article was once located at AOL Arena, moved to here in July of 2007). Madcynic (talk) 23:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request per consensus. Additionally, books/news searches are preferred in most cases to web searches and doing so shows a much higher disparity favoring the move. For example, Google books returns 3 results for the current title and 830 for target; news shows 99 versus 714. Moreover, taking into account the recentness of the name change, a search of the past month still shows twice the hits for the target.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Imtech Arena → Volksparkstadion — Arena has changed sponsor again, and I believe it is far better known by its historic name than this new, transitory one. It's not solid proof, but note that a google search of "imtech arena" -volksparkstadion gives 131,00 hits, whereas volksparkstadion -"Imtech arena" gives 283,000 hits. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 15:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 15:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Support - modern football is such that stadiums/competitions change name every few years due to sponsorship. ALL problems can be avoided by locating the article at the official (i.e. non-sponsor) name. Giant Snowman 20:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per GiantSnowman. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 14:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

I tend to agree with this proposed move, and it's an excellent example of why official names aren't in general high on the list of considerations when deciding an article name, see the official Wikipedia policy.

But I'd like to see some more evidence that the proposed article title really is the common name in English. Andrewa (talk) 19:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the article was moved from HSH Nordbank Arena without evidence or discussion. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 23:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. From one bad name to another. And this will continue for as long as the naming policy continues to be ignored. The policy is the product of a great deal of work and reflection by a great many people, and as a result it does make sense most of the time. Andrewa (talk) 06:55, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Internet searches for names only reflects what's online, but not, what's in people's minds or (so to say) mouths. Of course, a new sponsor is a huge PR campaign and in thousands of dry, statistical records the present-time official name will be used. With this, at least everyone will know which stadium is meant, but this flood of data is also distorting the most commonly (?) used given name. --84.151.58.3 (talk) 21:31, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Name "Volksparkstadion"

OK, I don't know if there are certain rules for that on Wikipedia, but the stadium is NOT called "Volksparkstadion", its name is "Imtech Arena". A sponsor pays to call the stadium like that, so now it's OFFICIALLY called "Imtech Arena". The name is "Imtech Arena" and nobody can change that, by saying, "but Volksparkstadion sounds nicer" or whatever. That's also with other stadiums, it's not called Waldstadion, it's called Commerzbank-Arena, it's not called Westfalenstadion, it's Signal Iduna Park. Besides commentators NEVER say Waldstadion or Volksparkstadion, they ALWAYS say Commerzbank-Arena and Imtech-Arena. The others are just wrong...

OK, didn't want to overdo it, but I always wonder why it's like that, maybe the rules are like that, but then they make no sense, as these names are over, the Signal Iduna Park is Signal Iduna Park and not Westfalenstadion. But one funny thing is, that, if there is a rule, which says you have to take the old traditional unofficial name, you must rename Veltins-Arena into Arena AufSchalke, because the 2nd was the original name from 2001-2005, and then Veltins payed to rename it, so you will have to change that article if there is such an official Wikipedia-Rule;)--SamWinchester000 (talk) 11:27, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh man, what can I do to stop my talk being in that big green box? I didn't want to do that...--SamWinchester000 (talk) 11:30, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relevant to Wikipedia-naming is not what's official, but what's most commonly used. Never mind, you or certain other people obeying those official names; for my part, I am glad, there are people and a society at large, that don't tell sponsors or investors what they want to hear. --84.151.58.3 (talk) 21:15, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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