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A fact from What the Future Holds appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 October 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the name, sound and concept of the album What the Future Holds by Steps derives purely from the lyrics of the title track?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/What the Future Holds (album).

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Credits taken from iTunes What the Future Holds (Single Mix)

Greg Kurstin & Sia Furler

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Erik Bernholm, Henrik Sethsson & Thomas G:son
Clouds

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To the Beat of My Heart

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Father's Eyes

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One Touch

Chris Wahle, Laura White & Neil Treppas
Under My Skin

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Heartbreak in This City

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Don't You Leave Us Halfway

Christian Fast, Märta Grauers & Tania Doko
To the One

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Hold My Heart

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What the Future Holds

Greg Kurstin & Sia Furler

Coastside2 (talk) 12:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that What the Future Holds, the sixth album by Steps, was delayed due to the COVID-19 pandemic? Source: https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/steps-talk-unashamedly-pop-new-album-what-the-future-holds-and-cardi-bs-wap__31003/
- ALT1:... that the COVID-19 pandemic resulted in Steps delaying the release of their sixth album, What the Future Holds? Source: https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/steps-talk-unashamedly-pop-new-album-what-the-future-holds-and-cardi-bs-wap__31003/

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Impossible Is Nothing (Iggy Azalea song)
Comment: Not sure whether to have the bolded article at the beginning or end of the hook.

5x expanded by Calvin999 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]

The article was expanded enough and is long enough with no copyright violations. However, a QPQ is still needed and neither hook is interesting. Many things were delayed because of the pandemic. SL93 (talk) 01:42, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do a QPQ even though I've reviewed more than I've nominated over 8 years. Just because you don't find it interesting, doesn't mean others won't or that it's not interesting for this topic. — Calvin999 12:22, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Use one you've already done and haven't used before. --evrik ^(talk) 18:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't click. Can you say something about what makes this album special? ... instead of what it shares with many? Have the bolded article at the beginning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree that it's not interesting. Multiple albums have been delayed as a result of the pandemic, such as Inner Song, Find the Sun, and Love Goes. Other things too like movies (No Time to Die and Tenet) and sports (2020 Stanley Cup playoffs and 2020 Summer Olympics). Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 18:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2:... that the name of the album What the Future Holds is a reflection of how the Steps "feel now as a group and how far they've come"? --evrik ^(talk) 19:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's arguably not interesting as presumably each recording act thinks they've progressed from album to album. For this to work it would need to reflect their going forward too? Blending nostalgia with the future? They referenced that the title has nothing to do with COVID and that it is coincidental, that they are not seeking to profit from relating in a pandemic. — Calvin999 19:55, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3:... that the name, sound and concept of the album What the Future Holds by Steps derives purely from the lyrics of the title track? — Calvin999 20:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would be glad to approve ALT3 once a QPQ is used, which can be from an old review that hasn't been posted yet as one. SL93 (talk) 20:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing interesting to me about the target article, and its delay because of CoVid is just one of many thousands of things which have suffered the same fate. But I find the title ironically amusing (in that it didn't predict its own fate). Bazza (talk) 09:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Calvin999, Gerda Arendt, Evrik, SL93, and Bazza 7: Would the following work as hooks?

ALT4 ... that the reveal of the upcoming album What the Future Holds by the band Steps was teased by social media posts showing imagery of a crystal ball? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT4a ... that the reveal of Steps's upcoming album What the Future Holds was teased by social media posts showing imagery of a crystal ball? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking as someone who's never heard of the group before (although given I don't live in the UK, I'm not sure of their international popularity), the original COVID hooks mean nothing to me, but I think there's potential in a hook about how the album was revealed. ALT3 has some potential but I don't think album titles and themes being based on title tracks is an uncommon practice in music. If there's no other suitable alternative then ALT3 would be the best option here. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So far ALT3 is best but not great. The crystal ball image is also rather common and nothing specific to this music (which I still miss). ALT5 perhaps? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda Arendt, Alt3 is already approved ... I think what is lacking is a QPQ. --evrik ^(talk) 23:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
By "approved" I mean a tick icon and the others struck, not only agreement. I still hope for something better, but have other jobs than finding one, like rescuing articles from draft space. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's true. I personally think we should go with the best one out of what we have so far. SL93 (talk) 23:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Calvin999: How's the QPQ moving along? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt and SL93: I found an old unused QPQ --evrik ^(talk) 01:16, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aplysina aerophoba — Calvin999 19:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Calvin999: save your QPQ. We found one of your previous reviews not used before. --evrik ^(talk) 19:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik: Do what? Lol — Calvin999 20:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: It's a shame The Sun is banned because they did an interview with their Bizarre column with so much info, but can't be used. I need to sit and do a QPQ, it's been a while since I've done one. There is info in the article which is more about the song, so that can't be used and I am saving that stuff for a title track page expansion. I agree that the title of the album is ironic, hence why I wanted to do a Covid related hook as they said last week that it is purely coincidental that they named the album What the Future Holds when we live in such an uncertain time. — Calvin999 11:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You can always ask at WP:RSN if you can request for an WP:IAR exemption to use The Sun for the article while stating the circumstances. After all, The Sun isn't really banned, it's deprecated (meaning its use is heavily discouraged, but may still be used in limited circumstances). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I think I will, because it was a direct interview, it was all quoted. Shame to not be able to use a whole interview with so much info because of what it was printed in. — Calvin999 19:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Put it in External links. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would say: promotional at best, ginned-up rubbish at worst. The Sun was deprecated as a source by a broad general RFC because it literally can't be trusted. If there is literally no other source for a claim than The Sun, then it shouldn't be in Wikipedia - and absolutely not on the front page of Wikipedia. Decorative usage doesn't really override that - David Gerard (talk)

I've gone ahead and left a message at WP:RSN. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:14, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93: --evrik ^(talk) 17:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- A QPQ was supplied and The Sun souce can't be used according to RSN. ALT3 is approved. SL93 (talk) 20:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]