Talk:Winston Sterzel

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I've decided to create a new article on notable youtube vlogger Winston Sterzel. I've begun work on a draft in my sandbox.

Peer Review - Interesting Bio

The article is well written and concise. Is it possible to find a picture that is in the public domain or creative commons? --CapitalCapybara (talk) (contributions) 19:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Issues banner

Edit: nevermind. It says right on the thing lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonofjoat (talk • contribs) 20:20, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Is there a way to get rid of the 'multiple issues' at the top of the page ? I think they've pretty much all been resolved.

Also, hi Winston! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonofjoat (talk • contribs) 20:16, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

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Tyronejoemayes (talk) 17:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)Sounds like an interesting person. Is there any other information available about him? His age, or where he is born. I know on most articles that are like bio's, there is a photo of the person in the corner with other details like where he was born etc.

Background information

• The above blog entry Controversial Subject #1 - Winston Sterzel was written on a ranting South African furry blog and none of its contents are verifiable. The author of the article admits not having had contact with Mr. Sterzel since he left for China and in fact acknowledges his achievements. The fact that this obscure blog entry is being used to try and discredit the wealth of legitimate news articles and projects that he has achieved shows the level to which his haters are willing to stoop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason Sonic2k (talk • contribs) 05:23, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

• • • Can confirm that above-mentioned blog post is erroneous and misleading. "Jason Sonic2k" has a well-known history of harassing and defaming Winston in public having gone so far as making a website to that effect in the past. The article smacks of jealousy and desperation.ChromaFlux (talk) 08:02, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
• There is a subreddit AZNidentity that has an entry plotting to discredit and delete his wikipedia page 小粉红龙 (talk) 03:38, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Where does WS live now?

Please see this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYA2BDnnfGI at 1:22:45 seconds

There is heated disagreement on whether WS currently abides in China or the United States. Evidence, i.e., reliable sources, should be provided here for discussion before being added to the article. David notMD (talk) 11:41, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Article at 11:30 he talks about moving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J35AxY1pLE&t=690s

Wife talks about living in the USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2LfOV9nw_0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZyKGCplB3Y&t=252s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.121.141 (talk) 17:56, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Winston Sterzel Serpentza

Winston Sterzel,

This is irrelevant fact, "one such video on a journey to Guilin amassed almost 80,000 views." 80000 views is nothing in YouTube land, does not relegate high enough significance,

Who is Matthew Tye and other friends? ( I have other friends also) Matthew Tye does not even have a Wikipedia article, this again does not relegate high enough significance. If that case, my friend is Joe Bob. Who cares? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.121.141 (talk) 17:52, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Please prove his catchphrase is : "Gratuitous Drone Shot", cite articles and youtube, "Stay awesome" he uses often though — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.121.141 (talk) 18:38, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Expired Articles, need to be removed, bad links

"Falling in love with SZ in three days". Shenzhen Government Online. 7 January 2008. Retrieved 29 June 2018

5 Kemp, Yunus (26 August 2015). "South Africans find home away from home in China". Xinhua. Retrieved 29 June 2018.

6 "南非男拍视频记录深圳". Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 14 December 2015. Retrieved 29 June 2018.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.121.141 (talk) 18:35, 4 July 2019 (UTC) 

Please cite videos primarily focus on introducing westerners to China and helping them with visiting and living there

Please review his last 20 Recent videos on youtube page, Please cite one video where "His videos primarily focus on introducing westerners to China and helping them with visiting and living there" Let me know which one https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza/videos

China Trade War Chinese Students Cheating? Are Chinese Men Cowards? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.121.141 (talk) 18:43, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Validate if Engineer qualifies as propery dictionary term as Repairman Technican

"Sterzel was also co-founder and head engineer of a small, China-based custom motorcycle business,"

The word co founder is fine, not sure if engineer qualifies. Is my Toyota repairman also an engineer? Does Body shop repairman qualify as engineer?

Engineer is defined as "a person trained and skilled in the design, construction, and use of engines or machines," (Dictionary.com) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.121.141 (talk) 23:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

The cited source says "head engineer". As long as that source is included, opinions aren't that relevant. Usedtobecool ^✉️ ✨ 06:01, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Which cited article? Also if an fake news article states something, does not mean its true, term will be researched and removed on July 10. Working at a board shop does not meet National Accrediation for Engineer Society in US or China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.121.141 (talk) 08:13, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Serpentza does not live in China anymore

Where does WS live now? Please see this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYA2BDnnfGI at 1:22:45 seconds — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.121.141 (talk) 23:31, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

As of July 5, article does not say where he lives. That should suffice. Documenting that he currently lives in the U.S. would not be a useful addition, as he could return to China, or move elsewhere. And where he lives does not negate that he video blogged and continues to video blog about China, which appears to be the basis of his notability. David notMD (talk) 11:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

He and Tyler should perhaps not return to China.

2A01:799:B5F:F200:C7F:711D:1228:B8D9 (talk) 20:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Suspected Vandalism Account

This Xiaoyun64 is probably a suspected vandalism account, his only contributions are for Serpentza, who has also been banned under Serpentza Wikipedia , ChinaYT Talk, and other youtube videos — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.170.57.205 (talk) 00:28, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Disruption

Ad Orientem, NinjaRobotPirate, what do you make of all this nonsense? The IP, who starts with 170 and with 68, was right about the sock, but goes about everything else the wrong way. I blocked the sock (Bbb23 had blocked one before), but I'm wondering what to do about this IP, and about the rest of the article. Drmies (talk) 00:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

I blocked the 170 IP for one week because they're using a FedEx IP. Without TPA so we don't have to listen to them anymore. The 68 IP hasn't edited since July 5, so I see no point in doing anything there.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:01, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This looks like disruptively trying to insist on a perspective that is at best supported by youtube videos. I have no interest at all in trying to sort that out. I told the IP to discuss it here on the talk page and have protected the article for 3 months. If they come here and open a discussion, then fine. Otherwise... moving on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:02, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't realize there were two 68 IPs. I'm too tired to block another (or a range or whatever), but my recommendation would be to block them for disruption.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Blocked x 2 weeks after posting what looked like NLT comments. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:07, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Serpentza Articles, false facts about residence

Serpentza does not live in Shenzhen China, before leaving false statements for millions of people who read Wikipedia , because fake news has existed on the wikipedia site before, please research review Patreon account, Instagram, and twitter accounts, comments, you will see he resides in the USA, Wikipedia should review its policies for allowing false articles article Residence: should state "None" (at the very least) (as Usedtobecool mentioned)

1:22:45 seconds  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYA2BDnnfGI at 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J35AxY1pLE&t=690s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.123.177 (talk) 01:22, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

See below. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2019

Serpentza does not live in Shenzhen China, before placing facts, because fake new has existed on the wikipedia site before, please research review patreon account, instagram, and twitter accounts, comments, you will see he resides in the USA, wikipedia should review its policies for allowing false articles article Residence: should state None (at the very least)

1:22:45 seconds  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYA2BDnnfGI at 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J35AxY1pLE&t=690s 68.107.123.177 (talk) 01:45, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Family talks about living in the USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2LfOV9nw_0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZyKGCplB3Y&t=252s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.123.177 (talk) 01:49, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done YouTube is not a reliable source and may not be cited in support of any potentially controversial claims of fact. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

There is an article of him, Serpentza stating he lives in the USA himself ?? (from his own mouth)

Additionally, why do facts of Serpentza living in Shenzhen get to stay? keeping false facts without proof also (on the other spectrum) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.123.177 (talk) 01:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

• I added information to the article about Sterzel's plan to leave China. This 20 November 2018 article from Taiwan News notes:

  Ultimately, Sterzel concluded that, in order to continue to produce "positive content" about China, it would be more effective if he left the country for extended periods of time. Though he surmised their still may be some positive aspects to China, he said "it's difficult to see the positives when you're under a vice."

  In a video titled "China is Going Through a Scary Change" on the YouTube channel ADVChina, Sterzel alluded to an apparent run-in with Chinese authorities which is also prompting him and his fellow YouTuber laowhy86 to leave China.

  Cunard (talk) 01:35, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

• Sjöberg, Alexander (2019-07-28). "»De ville ødelægge os psykisk«: Den vilde historie om to vestlige YouTube-stjerner, der forelskede sig i Kina, så deres venner blive anholdt og til sidst måtte stikke af" ['They Were Destroying Us Mentally': The wild story of two western YouTube stars who fell in love with China, so their friends get arrested and eventually leave]. Politiken (in Danish). Retrieved 2019-12-07.

  In this 21 July 2019 edit request, an editor noted that Sterzel is living in the United States. This keeps getting added to the article and then reverted. See this 5 December 2019 addition to the article and the revert for the latest instances.

  The Google Translate of the restricted access view of the Danish-language article notes:

  First, they were hailed for showing China. When the videos became critical, they were hated, but refused to give up. But then China's ultranationalist Internet army threw itself on their wives and relatives, and it became too much for Winston Sterzel and Matthew Tye.

  “They found out everything they could about my wife using the Internet. Then they accused her of being a spy and a threat to national security. And because she loved foreigners like me more than she loved China '.

  The words came from 38-year-old Winston Sterzel. He is one of two main characters in a story that is as contradictory as it ends up deeply serious for two families who have to pack all their stuff together and move from the land they hitherto called home.

  It is possible that this article provides further background information about where Winston Sterzel is currently living as well as further biographical information that can be used to expand the article.

  The article is under a paywall so I posted a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request for it.

  Cunard (talk) 09:51, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

• Information from Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request here:

  @Cunard: Don't know if you still need the source, but I have access to the article through the Danish newspaper database InfoMedia. The following quote states that they moved to the United States:

  "Af frygt for deres liv - og som minimum af frygt for en tur i fængsel - flyttede Matthew Tye og Winston Sterzel til Los Angeles. Det politiske klima var ganske enkelt blevet for farligt, og i februar begyndtre Tye at sende sine videoer fra USA, ligesom han solgte sin kinesiske lejlighed."

  "Fearing for their lives - or at least fearing the prospect of going to prison - Matthew Tye and Winston Sterzel moved to Los Angeles. The political climate had simply become too dangerous, and in February Tye started broadcasting his videos from the US, and he sold his Chinese apartment."

  As a sidenote, the |trans-title= for the source should read "They wanted to destroy us mentally: The wild story of two western YouTube stars who fell in love with China, saw their friends get arrested and had to flee in the end" or something to that effect. 80.62.116.123 (talk) 08:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

  Thank you so much, 80.62.116.123 (talk · contribs)! I added this information to the article. Cunard (talk) 09:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Please edit/remove Residence line

Thanks, can you also edit/remove this line? "He is based in Shenzhen in the Guangdong province of China He is either in the USA, or just remove the line completely. Thank you,

Changes from Cunard who cited article below:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190728012725/https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3579520

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.223.89 (talk • contribs) 10:23, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

I had changed the sentence from "Winston Sterzel is ... based in Shenzhen in the Guangdong province of China" to "He was based in Shenzhen in the Guangdong province of China" (which means he used to be based there but no longer is based there). I would like to retain mention in the article that he had been based in Shenzhen since his activity there is central to his notability. Is there another wording that would make it more clear that he is no longer there? Cunard (talk) 10:33, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Matthew Tye, who is he (reference needed)?

Who is Matthew Tye? Please cite reference or remove name.

Thank you

Profile Picture needs to be Updated to what he's most known for Youtube Profile

Profile Picture needs to be Updated to what he's most known for Youtube Profile, original wikipedia picture has no relevance and what updated from Serpentza himself and ChinaYT banned accounts earlier

Youtube Picture: https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AGF-l78Q9iUlcTrTjvDJ44FwYJjFxCPb-sO3SpqCJw=s176-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj-mo

in the Guangdong province of

Not sure we need this, in the Guangdong province of

We know Shenzhen is in South China, akin to where LA or New York are in the United Stes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.119.235 (talk) 02:01, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

That should not be taken for granted. A person who is not familiar with China or visited Shenzhen may have no idea where it's located or even where or what Guangdong is. This is not common knowledge to the random foreigner. Shellwood (talk) 15:37, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

China government talk

Recently Serpentza videos are regarding about China government, not saying its good or bad, just occuring over last year. He moved out of China and into US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.116.61 (talk) 04:43, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

name of company Churchhill irrelevant, lot of compans/llcs in china

name of company Churchhill irrelevant, lot of compans/llcs in china — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:C000:B0:8945:232:400F:8920 (talk) 08:46, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Removing racist cinemotography of conquering China from South African , from BBb23??

Removing racist cinemotography of conquering China from South African , from BBb23??

Not sure what BBb23 is doing, the cinemotography has no relevance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:C000:102A:BDA1:67E3:C591:9F15 (talk) 08:02, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Serpentza Racist Contoversy and Documentation added

Added section for controversy

Winston Sterzel has recently come under controversy due to racist remarks made including "Chinese people seem very heartless because they are" Or Are Chinese Men Cowards? I don’t think they are but they keep doing cowardly things”. This currently under the scope of publish viewership.[14]

See Webpage here, https://winstonsterzel.com/is-winston-sterzel-a-racist/

https://winstonsterzel.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.213.19.61 (talk) 23:01, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

I removed this negative material sourced to a self-published source per WP:BLPSOURCES. winstonsterzel.com says, "This website is not affiliated with, not endorsed by, not authorized by, and not supported by Winston Sterzel, SerpentZA, or any of his agents or affiliates."

This material should be restored only if it can be supported by an independent reliable source.

Cunard (talk) 04:35, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Bruh, he literally said it in his own private youtube channel, it is not an "affiliated" source. when the source is his own channel. and the other site is merely QUOTING what he said. by your logic we can't use CNN or BBC as sources if the subject in question is not "affiliated" with CNN and BBC even if they are just quoting them, basically no media could be cited under such definition. 101.127.15.2 (talk) 12:41, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

The problem with this source is that it is a self-published source (in other words, a personal blog). We cannot use these sources to reference biographies of living persons, unless the site is run by the subject themselves. To support controversial claims", we would need an independent, reliable source like CNN or BBC that discusses these claims, not some personal blog made just to criticize him. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 18:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

a) winstonsterzel.com does not exist currently b) Rather than just the simple question of whether this guy's a racist, I kinda expected a discussion on the weirdo political statements in his videos. 193.81.70.79 (talk) 09:33, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

See also

The selection of YouTubers in China is very random and I doubt that Amy Lyons and Afu Thomas want to be associated with Sterzel, who is now working with a homophobic cult and backed up by a huge media outlet. "See also" sections generally don't make sense. Please also remove Sterzel from Amy's and Afu's articles. It is clear that these sections have been added by the same person based personal preferences. --2001:16B8:3192:E400:7923:9091:9200:C039 (talk) 10:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

He Recently made a video about Chinese Prostitution

He seems to be knowledgable expert in China prostitution, should this be placed into wiki article?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fv65XKaPVk&t=193s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:FF08:0:95D4:3356:87A7:A061 (talk) 06:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

not if he's unable to back up his "expertise" with facts, which I highly doubt he can.

as much as i would like to edit his articles on his involvement with Fa Lun Gong's media branch Epoch Times, I don't believe Wikipedia will accept Nathan Rich's Li Hong Zhi association map to be a credible source, anything not Chinese-negative being a "wumao take" afterall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.64.108.244 (talk) 09:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Vote to Delete this Article

He is a highly irrelavant Youtube personality, with very few viewers, in youtube stature rankings — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.97.137 (talk) 06:16, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Serpentza only criticizes China

Serpentza only criticizes China , don't see any documentaries, not sure why he is renowned for writing documentaries — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.20.232 (talk) 20:13, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@70.179.20.232: He had a YouTube career before he left China and started criticizing the Chinese government WhisperToMe (talk) 22:12, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Not anymore does he only "critise China" as he's now critised South Africa: He is also renowned for making Documentaries on China, well at least when he lived in China 151.228.199.189 (talk) 22:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC) William Clifton: https://www.minds.com/wclifton968

@151.228.199.189: Since their departure from residing in China both Winston Sterzel and Matthew Tye have become more notable for critique of the Chinese communist party, but they were notable previously for their video's about living and working in China, as well as their motorcycle touring movies showcasing China's many varied wonders. Infograbber19 (talk) 10:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

References

Serpentza is being demonetized on youtube

Serpentza is being demonetized on youtube , we need to add article reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:FF08:0:6CD4:2385:39B4:BE97 (talk) 05:34, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Youtube, is not a reliable reference and i could not find any recent reliable reference mentioning this. Dushan Jugum (talk) 06:03, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Without coverage in a WP:RS there isn’t WP:DUEWEIGHT for inclusion. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:33, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Can we update, he is talking about China

Can we update, he is talking about China — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:FF08:0:846:27E1:B0CA:9B4C (talk) 18:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I am happy that the current page mentions he is talking about china. Dushan Jugum (talk) 04:39, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Update YouTube Statistics

Update Subscriber Count from 854k to 976k (as of December 18, 2021) Update Total View Count from 146 million to 163 million (as of December 18, 2021) Update "Last Updated" Section from April 16, 2021 to December 18, 2021 Wikiguy1392 (talk) 03:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 03:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Interesting, most of his recent videos are Only negative about China

Interesting, most of his recent videos are Only negative about China he used to discuss China car batteries and stores, etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:FF08:0:745D:CAC2:2CF0:EA79 (talk) 22:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

sources

I'd like to invite Chrisanthusjohn to explain their wholesale removal of what appear to at least be moderately reliable sources.

• this source (archived) by CRIEnglish - which I see no indication anywhere, is an unsuitable source in this context.
• this source which was enough to keep the article from being deleted, may not be stellar but no indication it is wholly unreliable

I do agree the Medium source is unreliable, obviously and I've removed that. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:52, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Did not say any of those sources were unreliable, I misunderstood the policy on what to do when there are dead links. I thought that meant the information was unsourced and should be removed. My mistake! Chrisanthusjohn (talk) 19:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I do have concern's about this source: http://www.thatsmags.com/shenzhen/post/16679/take-5-youtube-vlogger-winston-sterzel

Appears to be a promotional article, due to the following that I read on that's mag's about page (http://online.thatsmags.com/mediakit/): "We provide an array of digital advertising solutions, with a commitment to establishing the most productive and efficient way to ensure maximum exposure" - to me it appears that interested parties can actually buy advertising or marketing packages that may include articles, meaning that the source would not be truly independent of the subject of the article Chrisanthusjohn (talk) 19:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Requesting information/attention to impending and current sabotage

I have been a fan of Winston since the motorcycle days, and continue to watch the China Show. I suspect, with basis that meets the standard of a reasonably prudent person, that with increasing tensions between China, Taiwan and the West, that this article will be sabotaged. Winston is one of the more visible Western commentators on China (now that he and his loved ones are outside the immeadiate reach of the goverment) who is willing to be critical and substantiate his claims. As we know, this is an unacceptable position to Chinese nationalists.

For reasons supra, I would like to ask the following: 1) How has this article been edited in the past to discredit, demean or reduce the content of Winston's veracity up to this point, and 2) What integrity-protecting measures does WP have in place to prevent sabotage in the near future, should he break a vital but critical story amid even higher tensions of example, and 3) In the context of this subject and others of similar standing as him, are citations to wp:rs that are Chinese-based considered impartial? Thank you. 2600:100D:B16B:CC5D:4238:C1C1:C7DD:4E2 (talk) 05:27, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2023

After Following his departure from China, Sterzel's YouTube channel took a sharp turn into criticism of the Chinese government, using hyperbolic video titles such as "How China is slowly KILLING us all."", add "Sterzel has stated that his increased focus on negative aspects of the country is in response to Chinese state and state-affiliated media "only ever put[ting] out positive pieces [...] that praise China to no end" and "[never] bring[ing] up the [...] negative parts of Chinese society."

This being the last sentence about his shift in content seems somewhat unfair without his own explanation of his reasoning. Feel free to reword as necessary. Tgxrl2000 (talk) 03:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 08:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

References

The Taiwan News article is a poor source

Source is biased and doesn't verify his story of a significant interaction with the Chinese police, and only reports what he said nearly verbatim on YouTube. The entire article is effectively reproducing what Winston said in one of his videos with timestamps, and is quite clear that it's quoting him as every paragraph begins with "Sterzel describes", "Sterzel pointed out", "Sterzel concluded". It doesn't verify the tale which could be exaggerated for content. WinogradSchema (talk) 21:00, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

The entire article should be deleted. This guy is the rear-end of the clown horse headed by Matthew Tye, another self-promoting bullshit artist. Both caused so many problems in China that they finally couldn't get visa renewals & were effectively told to leave. That's all. 86.182.252.22 (talk) 21:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Regardless of whether he is reliable or not, I think this article leans very heavily on primary sources. Very little of his personal life has actually been verified by RS, particularly the "he said he had a run-in with the police". If an influencer tells a story on their monetised channel that doesn't make those claims true or noteworthy. WinogradSchema (talk) 06:12, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. The entire thing is a fabrication designed to launch their second careers as "China critics". I know. I worked in the same Chinese city as these two way back when. Both were a local joke. 86.182.252.22 (talk) 07:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

What's with the reference to Hyperbolic titles?

Isn't this just opinion? Deathlibrarian (talk) 05:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

This is a good point. Following WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV, I've modified the article to attribute the opinion to the South China Morning Post journalist Ethan Paul. Cunard (talk) 08:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Username

It's all lowercase: serpentza. If Winnie meant to type it a different way, he should have back then. 184.147.148.233 (talk) 19:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Controversies

I find it strange how there's no mention of the controversies revolving around serpentza. From his friendship with alleged animal abusers (https://x.com/DanielDumbrill/status/1464404144467243012/photo/1) while presenting himself as an advocate for animal rights in China, to his questionable comments on wealth redistribution in South-Africa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHAO080lQUY timestamp 6:40), fetishization of Chinese women (ibid., time stamps 21:49, 22:23), and of course his repeated portrayal of China as a backwards country (ibid., 14:25, 15:01, 19:14). Many other Youtubers have criticized him for this. I'm aware of the militant support some of these critical voices have for the Chinese government, but their cases against serpentza, for example the videos made by Daniel Dumbrill, are not without evidence. 212.233.22.114 (talk) 09:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

While I agree that the article (a sizable portion of which is still from the written portions added by the subject themself before being banned from editing) avoids the controversies and criticisms of him (and as someone studying China I am aware of many such cases that might be worth adding), the issue is likely that as a very niche youtuber bordering on page deletion he is not going to be seriously covered by academia, is not going to be reported on by many reliable sources, and citing just that he is criticized without having a strong case to do so upfront has the potential of being too prejudicial and miring the page in a variety of individual's concerns when it would be better to find specific academics or news outlets that have covered those topics and making a draft. Given how long it has been since the RFC on page deletion and it being tampered with + conducted much closer to the relevancy of this person it might need to be revisited. Relm (talk) 10:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)