Talk:Woodlawn Heights, Bronx

No explicit or clear source to prove Irish immigrant population

In addition to being home to a large Irish-American and Irish immigrant population, it is also the site of the famous Woodlawn Cemetery. The neighborhood is part of Bronx Community Board 12.

There is no source, citation or evidence, that there is an Irish immigrant population in the Bronx. Honestly, with all due respect, I find it comical, that this would give the insinuation, that randomly, people from a wealthy country, during the time of the European Union, with the highest human index in the world, would move into a working class area. Are these any populations, census informations, or anything that speaks of how many people this actually is? This article gives the wrong insinuation. I'm sure, there are a couple people, of every group, that live everywhere, but this is highly exaggerated.

There is a large Irish-American population, that I'm somewhat aware of, although percentages aren't mentioned, as I'll leave this in that quote.

So I'll change the quote to:

In addition to being home to a large Irish-American population, it is also the site of the famous Woodlawn Cemetary. The neighborhood is part of Bronx Community Board 12. Tom72.73.230.11 (talk)

Woodlawn has a reputation among other New York City neighborhoods for still attracting immigrants from Ireland.

Evidence? Where does it say this in those words? Are there any Census figures, of foreign born places, that actually show this? I've actually looked through foreign-born countries, throughout a variety of neighborhoods in the Bronx, and this is easily one of the most American-born neighborhoods in the Bronx. Most of who wasn't born in the U.S. too, was born in Latin American. So to say it has an Italian-American minority, ignores the fact there are large groups, such as Puerto Ricans, and others who consume a higher percentage, in this neighborhood. Tom72.73.230.11 (talk)

In the 1990s, the neighborhood was reinvigorated by the arrival of many young immigrants from Ireland.

Why in the 1990's? Where does it say this? Listen, I've read a story about one person, or actually one couple, who was probably married before even coming to America, but the rationale as to saying there is a significant number of these people is not supported by any demographical evidence. The foreign-born percentage of Irish, and Europeans period, in this neighborhood, of the Bronx, is too low to distinguish any significance. Obviously, the reason why there is more historical Irish cultural things in this neighborhood, is because historically, around 150 years ago, this is where many Irish people settle.

One or two people, don't denote a poulation. I have no problem, with a mild mentioning of an a couple Irish immigrants, like the one's mentioned, being described in a more broader sense of an immigrant experience, but to tell people these there is are a considerable about of people from Ireland, is misleading and false.

I've been there. I've been to neighboring areas in the Bronx. I can't find anyone from Ireland there. I've even tried. The only place where you'll find western Europeans, in New York City, are exclusively rich parts of Manhattan. Most of these people don't even live her permanently though. If there are any people from Ireland living here, it wouldn't make sense, because when they go back home, the conversion back to the Euro, would deplete much of their earnings. Saying things are easy to find, without backing to saying how much of a population it is, lacks merit.

-- If you haven't seen Europeans outside of Manhattan, you probably never got out of your car. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.205.32.189 (talk) 18:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm Latin not Irish, So I Couldn't Care Less...

...about this dispute, but out of sheer curiosity i pointed my dusky hand to Google and within a hundredth of a second found this:

07-28-2007, 09:42 PM A.Hernandez Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 2 posts, read 6,859 times Reputation: 11

Latino coming to Woodlawn Bronx New York

Hi I am a Latino of Mexican-American heritage who married an Irish American wife. She wants to live in woodlawn heights in the Bronx. We are looking to buy a house.

Just a question, how do they treat mixed race couples looking for houses in Woodlawn. My wife is having a baby so maybe what I am getting at is will I be looked at as an outsider for being with an Irish American woman.

Gracias

mead Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bronx, NY 2,808 posts, read 6,361,327 times Reputation: 663

Ha, a Mexican moving into Woodlawn. Yeah this should be entertaining. First off, nobody really calls it Woodlawn Heights, except for the government surveys. To everyone around here it is just Woodlawn. Ending a post with Gracias? Yeah you better not try speaking that Spanish stuff in this neighborhood, its not going to go over well.

Get ready for the icy-cold stares from the local Donkeys, and I mean just while you are on your own. To be honest I've only seen one or two mixed-race couples walk down Katonah. The range of emotions that you will receive will probably be from Curiosity (seeing you as an oddity) to outright hostility especially from drunken Irish guys at night. You have to realize that this place is basically Irishtown, and if you aren't Irish (or at least Italian/Albanian/Portuguese) you really aren't going to fit in. There are a couple of Mexicans that you will see in Woodlawn but they are all the chefs and dish washers at a few of the local establishments. None of them live here, you'll always see them waiting for the bus to the subway so that they can get back home, which is inevitably, not in Woodlawn.

Of course there are certain bars that you should avoid ever going into, you'll figure that out really quick. Some bars are geared towards Northern Irish (read: ex-IRA members) in Woodlawn and adjoining McLean. These places don't like Irish-Americans going in there, so I'm not exactly sure how they would react if you were to go in.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/124510-latino-comming-woodlawn-bronx-new-york.html

Now, if I was any further interested, which I'm not. I would hit up Google news archives and see how many references to "Woodlawn, Bronx, Irish" I would get. I would make a blind bet of a large sum at this point that the hits would be plentiful.

Oh, and by the way, thanks for endangering my life, e.g. had I taken the no Irish at face value and gone barhopping at 3 AM on some weekend night. Who needs their facts straight, now? Santa Maria !! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.176.112 (talk) 07:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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Demographics edits

I just reverted edits from 199.172.169.97, an unregistered user.

The reverted edits were said to have been made in order to correct stats that included Wakefield, but the edits removed additional information from the page and didn't appear to provide a proper citation. (Maybe I missed it, but in the differences view it didn't look like proper citation was included.)

Happy to continue the discussion about the way demographics are listed and cited.

Emjackson42 (talk) 17:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Updating Demographic Info

Hello,

I was wondering about the proper procedures for updating the demographic information for this page. Currently, the population stats include both Woodlawn and Wakefield. With the 2020 census data out I was able to use the NYC population factfinder, provided by the NYC department of planning, to isolate the figures for Woodlawn by selecting its constituent census tracts. Specifically, I got the statistics for Woodlawn alone by selecting the tracts 449.01, 449.02, 451.02, and 451.01. Does this count as original research? Would it be acceptable to cite the link to the data I compiled?

For reference, here is the link to the information I gathered from the site: https://popfactfinder.planning.nyc.gov/explorer/selection/86329a22834d557ba6f8fc8c6cdf3668ec449b5a

And then here is the population factfinder tool: https://popfactfinder.planning.nyc.gov/

Hi, @Pharos:. Could you shed some light on this question from @Zaxcord:? I don't really do population/demographics editing and don't want to say the wrong thing. Thank you!! Emjackson42 (talk) 23:39, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Zaxcord and Emjackson42: "Wakefield-Woodlawn" is a defined Neighborhood Tabulation Area, which makes it a bit easier to use as an area of analysis. Is there a good definition you can cite of Woodlawn that matches to those 4 census tracts? I'm unsure of the nature of neighborhood boundaries in that part of the Bronx, or how well-defined they are.--Pharos (talk) 19:17, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pharos and Zaxcord: - Thank you. Would you consider this to be an appropriate definition? https://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/gardner-irish/articles/w/o/o/Woodlawn.html ? Or this https://6tocelebrate.org/neighborhood-items/woodlawn-the-bronx/ ?