Template:Did you know nominations/Akıncı Air Base

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:58, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Akıncı Air Base

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• ... that the runway of the Akıncı Air Base was bombed during the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt by anti-coup aircraft to prevent the take-off and landing of pro-coup fighter jets?

• Reviewed: Hadley Field

5x expanded by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 18:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC).

• No issues found with article, ready for human review.
  • ✓ This article has been expanded from 507 chars to 3549 chars since 21:32, 05 December 2015 (UTC), a 7.00-fold expansion
  • ✓ This article meets the DYK criteria at 3549 characters
  • ✓ All paragraphs in this article have at least one citation
  • ✓ This article has no outstanding maintenance tags
  • ✓ A copyright violation is unlikely (3.8% confidence; confirm)
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  • ✓ The hook ALT0 is an appropriate length at 173 characters
  • ✓ CeeGee has more than 5 DYK credits. A QPQ review of Template:Did you know nominations/Hadley Field was performed for this nomination.

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• I would suggest you shorten the hook to something like:
  • ALT1: ... that the runway of the Akıncı Air Base was bombed during the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt by anti-coup aircraft?
• ... as the rest is pretty obvious. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

• I am about to start the review and I agree the shorter version, if I approve the hook it would be for that version of the hook.  MPJ-DK  20:14, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

• @CeeGee: review comments below

• QPQ Done and that hook has already been on the main event without issues.
• I agree with the bot on age, length, generally cited etc.
• Most of the article seems to be about the coup and what the planes did/tried to do etc. not really about the base - just "they took off from here" and "it was bombed"?
• There are a few places where it could use some copy editing, I am going to go out on a limb and assume English is not your first language (mine neither btw.) There seem to be some word structures missing etc. I would suggest you have someone else do a little copy editing for you? Other issues - common use of an abbreviation such as "AFB" is to define it before you use it - so "Air Force Base (AFB)" the first time it's used.

• - A little copy editing and possibly something more about the actual base and then this would would be able to be passed.  MPJ-DK  20:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

• @MPJ-DK: Thank you very much indeed for your review. As far as it was made public, the air base is not closed or has not been evacuated yet. The DYK hook is purely about the bombing of the runway. I don't think that further developments have to be waited for. I can unfortunately do nothing about the required copyediting. Someone with native English language and advanced experience has to help. CeeGee 07:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

• CeeGee I know the hook is about the bombing, but the article itself seems to focus more on the attempted coup etc. and not so much on the history of the air base as such. In it's current state it would need some copyediting help. Perhaps you can ask someone in project Turkey or military to help out?  MPJ-DK  01:22, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks. I hope someone gets interested. CeeGee 05:16, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

• @CeeGee: have you actually asked someone to help with copyediting or are you content to wait and see if someone does it out of the goodness of their heart?  MPJ-DK  17:20, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

• Sorry, I didn't ask anyone. Maybe, you can give me a hint where to ask someone (a pool of voluntary copyeditors or so). Thanks. CeeGee 17:27, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

• I have cleaned up some syntax issues, and tried to provide a lead that summarizes the jist of the article. I would suggest that much of the information included in parenthesis could be eliminated, making for a less clunky read. For example, any acronym that is NOT used later in the article is unnecessary, and I would also question whether all the parenthetic Turkish translations add more in terms of understanding than they detract from readability. Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks so much indeed for the details. All these really help me much to write better. Cheers. CeeGee 07:07, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

• You're very welcome. Your written English is already excellent, and I admire anyone who can compose well in a second language. There is also a Guild of Copy Editors page where you can request copy edit help. Cheers! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 07:34, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

• Thank you. English is my third language, and I know it's poor. I appreciate your note on the copyeditors' link. Cheers. CeeGee 07:42, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

• - CeeGee I appreciate not being a native English speaker (me too) but I see no initiatives to improve this, it's not listed at the guild of copy editors or anything. So I'm going to fail it.  MPJ-DK  00:08, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

• @MPJ-DK: I guess you've concluded without having a look at the article after the copyedit of Grand'mere Eugene, who according to his user page is "a writer and retired post-secondary Faculty (academic staff) in Literature". I assumed that he is a member of the "Guild of Copy Editors" and he did the copyediting in service of the guild. If you think I'm wrong, I!ll be immediately applying for help on there. CeeGee 05:17, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

• Sorry, I'm not in the Guild, and did edit to clarify syntactic problems that are common to non-native writers of English. The article could still use some content editing, then a more detailed copy edit. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 05:51, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

• alright in all fairness then let's have someone else take a look at it and see if they agree with the level of quality then CeeGee  MPJ-DK  06:14, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks! BTW, I fixed your tick if you don't mind. CeeGee 06:30, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

ALT 1 is a good hook and the article is long enough. I have some problems with the "Background" section though. The Scramble reference doesn't verify its content. Perhaps the "Background" section could mention when the airport was established. ^Falling_Gravity 06:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

• @FallingGravity: Thanks for the revew. I've expanded the background section, and hope it meets your requirement. CeeGee 14:46, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Article is in good shape now. Both ALT 0 and ALT 1 work. ^Falling_Gravity 18:43, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Returned from prep per discussion at WT:DYK. The hook is full of repeated words and if you cut it down to its essence – ALT1 – it's not really hooky at all. A better hook would be the plans to turn the base into a "democracy park" since the bombing. Yoninah (talk) 23:42, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

• Striking original hook and ALT1 due to the above return. New hook will be needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:26, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

ALT 2: ... that the Akıncı Air Base was bombed during the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt, and is now planned to be converted into a "democracy park"?

New hook needs review. More hook suggestions are welcome. ^Falling_Gravity 07:02, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that after Akıncı Air Base was used in a 2016 failed coup, its name was reverted to Mürted (apostate), referring to troops deserting Sultan Bayezid I in the same place in 1402? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 15:32, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

ALT3a: ... that after Akıncı Air Base was used in a 2016 failed Turkish coup, its name was reverted to Mürted (apostate), referring to troops deserting Sultan Bayezid I there in 1402? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 15:50, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

• Question: What is the reason to pipe "Bayezid" to "Bayed"? This usage is unknown. I'll be glad to learn. Thanks. CeeGee 06:29, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

• Sorry, CeeGee, that was my error, an inadvertent omission when adding "Sultan" and the Roman numeral to the wikilink. Good catch, now corrected. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 09:03, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

• WT DYK discussion on pulling the hook. — Maile (talk) 22:24, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

ALT 2 is stated in the article and sourced. ALT3 and ALT3a are stated in the article, but the the source says "apostates", not "desertion", so I struck those two. — Maile (talk) 23:11, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

• Grammar tweak on ALT2:
• ALT2a: ... that plans are underway to convert the Akıncı Air Base, bombed during the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt, into a "democracy park"? Yoninah (talk) 23:52, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Fine. It works. Now can we please pass this too-long stalled-out nomination? — Maile (talk) 00:03, 14 October 2016 (UTC)