Template:Did you know nominations/Golden Retriever

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The result was: promoted by DanCherek (talk) 15:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Golden Retriever

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Golden Retriever

... that the Golden Retriever (pictured) was created in Britain the 19th century by Sir Dudley Marjoribanks, who cross-bred Flat-coated Retrievers with Tweed Water Spaniels and some other British dog breeds? Source: Hancock, David. Gundogs: their past, their performance and their prospects. pp. 102–105 & 196–197. Morris, Desmond. Dogs: the ultimate dictionary of over 1,000 dog breeds. pp. 288–289.
- ALT1: ... that all Golden Retrievers (pictured) descend from a golden coloured Flat-coated Retriever named Nous and a Tweed Water Spaniel named Belle? Source: Morris, Desmond. Dogs: the ultimate dictionary of over 1,000 dog breeds. pp. 288–289.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Historia narodu polskiego

Improved to Good Article status by Cavalryman (talk). Self-nominated at 03:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: article is interesting, gained a GA on the 13th January 2022. No Copyvio. The hooks source is not accessible but I found several sources that gave me the same info. Hook is interesting, Pic in public domain and clear, qpq done, as to me ALT1 is good to go. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this one. For now I like ALT1.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Golden Retriever

@Paradise Chronicle and Cavalryman: hi there! This is an exciting one, as animal photos always make for excellent internet fodder; however, I can't verify the hook's licensing from the source provided (here is an archived link)—there doesn't seem to be a public domain release of any kind. I do see that it was uploaded by a user of the same name, but given that they haven't edited since 2007, I'd rather not take my chances on them submitting a ticket. Could we substitute it for the image there in both the article and infobox? I happen to think it works just as well, if not better :) thanks in advance! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 10:22, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

As for me that's fine. But let's wait for what cavalryman answers. They probably know a bit more about how a real Golden Retriever should be presented to the public.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:55, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Nous, sitting

Theleekycauldron, apologies for the late response. I too went through the processes with that photo when deciding if it was appropriate to take to GAR, in the end I decided it was but I appreciate your apprehension. I would oppose this new photo being placed in the infobox, if does not give an appropriate appreciation of the breed’s characteristics, but we could place it somewhere else in the article or find another photo. It is a shame this photo isn’t higher quality as it would go with the remaining hook. I will look for some other options. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 21:58, 24 January 2022 (UTC).

@Cavalryman: I see, fair enough—any chance you want to put that photo somewhere else in the article? (also, looks like you've got curly apostrophes enabled—might want to turn those off, since they're not usable in articles) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 00:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Golden Retriever

Theleekycauldron, if you could tell me how to disable curly apostrophes on my ipad I would be eternally grateful, in article space I usually resort to italicising the 's' then deleting the additional apostrophes, in talk space I just don’t bother any more.

I will look at where it could be placed, although what are your thoughts about either of these two which are in the article already? Cavalryman (talk) 00:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC).

For the hook, I'd chose the Golden Retriever in action.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree with PC—the one with the game bird is much more compelling. @Cavalryman: you'll want to go to Settings > General > Keyboard and turn off the slider that reads "smart punctuation". theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 01:16, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Fantastic, we have a solution. Re apostrophes thank you very much, it's (← it worked) been a thorn in my side for some time. Cavalryman (talk) 01:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC).

Paradise Chronicle, I have just realised I never thanked your for the review, thank you very much. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 05:43, 25 January 2022 (UTC).

Promoting ALT1 to Prep 3 with image. DanCherek (talk) 15:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC)