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ALT1: ... that the second part of Ivan the Terrible was banned one month after the first part was awarded a Stalin Prize? Source: Neuberger, Joan (2019). This Thing of Darkness: Eisenstein's Ivan the Terrible in Soviet Russia. Ithaca, N.Y.: Cornell University Press. doi:10.7591/9781501732775. ISBN 9781501732775. pg 305. Quote: "Understanding the reception of Ivan the Terrible has been further complicated by the fact that Part I received the Stalin Prize a year after it was completed, and a month later Part II was banned by the Central Committee." Accessed through De Gruyter.
ALT2: ... that the makeup artist for the film Ivan the Terrible was tasked with making Ivan resemble Nebuchadnezzar, Judas Iscariot, Uriel Acosta, Mephistopheles, and Jesus Christ throughout the film? Source: Tsivian, Yuri (2001). "What is wrong with the beard : Eisenstein's Ivan the Terrible as an eccentric tragedy" (PDF). Cinémas. 11 (2–3): 255–270. doi:10.7202/024855ar. ISSN 1705-6500. pgs 262-263. Quote: "Recall Ivan's make-up. In Non-Indifferent Nature Eisenstein describes the formidable task he had given the make-up artist Vasilii Goriunov: to make of Cherkasov's face a kaleidoscope of fleeting resemblances without ever letting the viewer pin down any of them — from the biblical villain Nebuchadnezzar to the righteous Jew, Uriel Acosta (of the eponymous tragedy by Karl Gutzkov), from (Leonardo's?) Judas and the conventional stage-Mephistopheles to the Jesus Christ of Christian iconography."
ALT3: ... that the costume designer for the film Ivan the Terrible sewed cotton "muscles" for the actors in order to hide their malnutrition? Source: Usuvaliev, Sultan (2 September 2014). "The godfathers of Mikhail Kuznetsov". Studies in Russian and Soviet Cinema. 8 (3): 184–199. pg 188-189. Quote: "This was exacerbated not just by the complexity of the concept but by their half-starved existence. ‘Sometimes,’ Kuznetsov recalled, ‘you simply didn’t have enough muscle – not to move, but to look as you had to. And the celebrated Iakov Il'ich Raizman, the outstanding artist-tailor, sewed these muscles for us out of cotton wool – we were all fat…’" Accessed through Taylor and Francis Online.
ALT4: ... that director Sergei Eisenstein filled over a hundred notebooks with ideas for his film Ivan the Terrible? Source: Neuberger, Joan (2014). "Sergei Eisenstein's Ivan the Terrible as History". The Journal of Modern History. 86 (2): 295–334. doi:10.1086/675483. ISSN 0022-2801. JSTOR 10.1086/675483. S2CID 147797492. pg 297. Quote: "While making Ivan the Terrible, he filled more than one hundred notebooks with ideas on everything from staging and acting to music and lighting to character and history. They contain various kinds of entries: reading notes, long passages in response to reading, records of conversations, slips of paper with marginalia, and personal reflections on events, as well as drawings." Accessed through JSTOR.
ALT5: ... that for his role in Ivan the Terrible, actor Nikolay Cherkasov had the flesh on his face glued back to give the appearance of a younger man? Source: Oeler, Karla (2018). "Nikolai Cherkasov in Ivan the Terrible". In Pomerance, Murray; Steven, Kyle (eds.). Close-Up: Great Cinematic Performances. International Film Stars. Vol. 2. Edinburgh University Press. ISBN 9781474417044. pg 50. Quote: ""Particularly in the coronation scene, where Cherkasov’s Ivan is at his youngest, the makeup, while it helped create the “outer form,” impeded the actor’s ability to move his face. Goriunov used adhesive to pull back the looser, more creased flesh of middle age, transforming the forty-year-old actor into a smooth-cheeked teen." Accessed through De Gruyter.
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Overall: Great article for a great film! I love all the hooks, but personally prefer ALT0. BorgQueen (talk) 22:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I have an image of the film poster to use for DYK, is it good to use?Jaguarnik (talk) 22:06, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Ah, I missed that it wasn't free.Jaguarnik (talk) 22:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Yup, I've removed it. Too bad we can't use the film's screenshots either. The films first shown before 1943 are in the public domain in Russia, I believe. BorgQueen (talk) 22:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm wondering if I should rename the article to Ivan the Terrible (Eisenstein)? The first part was released in 1945, but there are two parts (second of which was completed in 1946 and released in 1958) and the film covers both films, so calling it "1945 film" might not be entirely correct.Jaguarnik (talk) 22:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Hmm, perhaps ask those folks at WikiProject Films? They must have a naming guideline. BorgQueen (talk) 22:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello BorgQueen. I just want to point out that the stills from the first film are in the public domain, or at least that WikiCommons lists them all as such. I believe this is due to the condition This work is a film (a video fragment or a single shot from it) ... which was created by legal entity between January 1, 1929 and January 1, 1946, provided that it was first shown in the stated period. Kind regards, Pagliaccious (talk) 23:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Oh, that's a relief! We could use some still images for DYK then. Just so you know, @Jaguarnik: the image must be in the article if you'd like to use it for DYK. BorgQueen (talk) 23:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
There are two stills in the article; one is of three of the main actors that I would like to use since it has nice composition, but I'm not certain that it was created before January 1946 (a still from the second film, despite what the wikicommons says). The other one is of Ivan the Terrible and Basmanov, from the first part, but it's not terribly interesting. Jaguarnik (talk) 00:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Looks like it's good to use (Russian public domain laws say that it enters public domain 70 years after the death of the author; it's a still from the film, I presume Eisenstein would be considered the author and 70 years has passed since his death. @Pagliaccious:@BorgQueen: How does the image look? Please let me know if there's any issue with the image/licensing.Jaguarnik (talk) 05:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
So it's a still, not a screenshot. Then please add (still pictured) to the hooks. The image looks OK to me. BorgQueen (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
@BorgQueen:: So sorry to ping once again, but Pagliaccious has added an image to the article which I like much better for illustrating the film. Just wanted to get your approval for that image instead. Should be the final ping.Jaguarnik (talk) 20:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
No worries. It's a fantastic image! YBorgQueen (talk) 20:43, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Great article for a great film! I love all the hooks, but personally prefer ALT0. BorgQueen (talk) 22:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
