Template:Did you know nominations/Johann Schwarzhuber

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:58, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Johann Schwarzhuber

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Schwarzhuber during the Ravensbrück trial

• ... that Johann Schwarzhuber was the highest ranking defendant during the first Ravensbrück concentration camp trial?
  • ALT1:... that Johann Schwarzhuber decided over the life or death of thousands of people on the spot?
  • ALT1A:... that Johann Schwarzhuber made on the spot decisions as to whether thousands of people should live or die?
  • ALT2:... that the life or death of thousands of people was decided by Johann Schwarzhuber on the spot?
  • ALT3:... that daily executions at the Ravensbrück concentration camp were so cruel, that no other camp deputy wanted to supervise them except Johann Schwarzhuber?

• Comment: Coming up with a "catchy hook" for war criminals is hard, so I am of course open for suggestions and improvements.

Created by Dead Mary (talk). Self-nominated at 09:06, 26 June 2019 (UTC).

• This article is new enough and long enough. The image is appropriately licensed, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. Apart from ALT3, which I have struck, the other hooks are OK and cited inline, and I have added ALT1A as a different way of phrasing ALT1. No QPQ needed here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this. I don't see any inline cites for ALT0, 1, 1A or 2. (The inline cite should be right after the sentence with the hook fact.) I also don't see anything about "on-the-spot decisions" in the article. Yoninah (talk) 23:25, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

• Hi Yoninah, thanks for the feedback. Well, the the hooks are a more "engaging"(?) description of the fact, that he oversaw/worked in the Auschwitz selection process in his camp area and in this capacity he decided which prisoners were sent to the gas chambers (killed) and which into the prison camp.

In this position he was also responsible for the selection process, which determined who was sent to the work camps and which prisoners were sent to the gas chambers. Thousands of inmates who were chosen by Schwarzhuber during this process were immediately killed.

Thats sourced in the article (Rudorff (2018), pp. 374, 378. / Langbein (2005), pp. 325-326, 358.). I am not sure how to proceed, should the hooks be worded differently? Should the citation made more clear in the article? Dead Mary (talk) 14:50, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

@Dead Mary: yes, the hook should be worded differently. The Holocaust was not fun and games. Only the first hook conveys the right tone. Yoninah (talk) 14:57, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Well ok, here are some different wordings:

ALT4:... that Johann Schwarzhuber decided for thousands of people who was to be killed in the gas chambers and who was to be spared?

ALT5:... that thousands of people were killed, after Johann Schwarzhuber selected them for the gas chambers in Auschwitz?

ALT6:... that Johann Schwarzhuber selected thousands of people in Auschwitz for death in the gas chambers?

ALT7:... that Johann Schwarzhuber chose thousands of people in Auschwitz, who were then killed in the gas chambers?

ALT8:... that Johann Schwarzhuber led the Auschwitz mens's camp, where he selected thousands of people to be killed in the gas chambers?

Dead Mary (talk) 16:29, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• @Dead Mary: thank you for the alts, but all of these are trying to be, in your words, a "catchy hook" about a war criminal. The Holocaust is not "catchy". As I said above, only the first hook conveys the right tone. Perhaps something more could be added to the first hook, like that he worked at Auschwitz, to give it a little more hook interest. Yoninah (talk) 20:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

ALT9:... that Johann Schwarzhuber was the leader of the Auschwitz men's camp and was sentenced to death during the first Ravensbrück concentration camp trial?

ALT10:... that Johann Schwarzhuber was sentenced to death for his role conduct as one of the principal leaders of the Ravensbrück concentration camp?

ALT11:... that Johann Schwarzhuber worked as commander in 4 different concentration camps in Nazi Germany?

ALT12:... that Johann Schwarzhuber led the Auschwitz mens' camp and was sentenced to death for his command of the Ravensbrück concentration camp?

ALT13:... that Johann Schwarzhuber served as commander of the Auschwitz men's camp and was the highest ranking defendant during the first Ravensbrück concentration camp trial?

Dead Mary (talk) 12:19, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• Reviewer needed to check the latest batch of ALT hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:43, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

• I have struck ALT hooks which are either not supported by statements and citations in the article, or had inappropriate tone. I suggest replacing "conduct" with "role" in ALT10, as the article indicates that he was found guilty as deputy commander. I will leave ALT0, ALT9, ALT10, and ALT13 as factual and supported by citations (AGF for offline sources). I prefer ALT13, which at 165 characters is well within the limit, but will leave it to promoting editors to decide which is used. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:51, 2 September 2019 (UTC)