Template:Did you know nominations/Tammie Jo Shults

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:11, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Tammie Jo Shults, Southwest Airlines Flight 1380

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Tammy Jo Shults with a F/A-18 Hornet of VAQ-34 squadron

... that the captain of Southwest Airlines Flight 1380, Tammie Jo Shults (pictured), was one of the first female tactical fighter pilots in the US Navy?

Reviewed: Campanino; Al-Mahani
Comment: There have been many contributors to these articles. I started the article about Shults and then a redirect was merged into its history. The page about flight 1380 has had numerous contributors.

Created by Andrew Davidson (talk) and Jax 0677 (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 23:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC).

This is not a full review but a reminder since this nomination is almost a month-old now: @Andrew Davidson: since this nomination has two bolded articles, two QPQs need to be provided here. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:05, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

It's only been a week but I take the point, thanks. I'm quite busy currently and so have a backlog that I'm working through but hope to get back to this soon. Andrew D. (talk) 09:45, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Here is another QPQ to move things along: Template:Did you know nominations/Natsu Dragneel
I suggest separating the two bolded links in the hook, as follows:
ALT0a: * ... that Tammie Jo Shults (pictured), captain of Southwest Airlines Flight 1380, was one of the first female jet fighter pilots in the US Navy? Yoninah (talk) 23:06, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Ready for full review. Yoninah (talk) 23:08, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: I proposed to review these two articles for DYK but they will be unable to feature while one has a "too many quotes" tag on it. Please ping me when the quotations matter is resolved if you wish me to complete the review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:30, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth:. I have updated the article. Please take another look. Andrew D. (talk) 06:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: These two articles are new enough and long enough. Tammie Jo Shults is neutral and policy compliant and the excessive quotes have gone. Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 is neutral but brings up a 93.4% figure on Earwig. I suspect that the source, the US Government investigation page is probably in the public domain. If that is the case, I think you should add a statement at the foot of the page something like "This article incorporates text from ... which is in the public domain". There is an appropriate template I imagine.

My other concern is the hook. The article and source states that she was "one of the first female F/A-18 Hornet pilots in the United States Navy". As other jet fighters presumably preceded this particular plane, I think the hook is inaccurate. Can you suggest a revised hook? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

The articles got a lot of attention and edits after the nomination and so the way the information is presented may have changed. The issue of the "first" is discussed on the article's talk page. As I understand it, she was certainly in the first group (cohort) of female pilots to fly this type in the USN and women didn't get to fly earlier types of tactical jet fighter in that service. If the issue seems debatable then we might quote the presidential commendation [1]:

ALT1: * ... that Tammie Jo Shults (pictured), captain of Southwest Airlines Flight 1380, was commended as "one of the first women ever to fly tactical fighter aircraft in the United States Navy"?

@Andrew Davidson: I have added the word "tactical" to the original hook and with the alteration you made to the article, now think the hook is satisfactory, and better than ALT1. The other point about the US Government source remains. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:44, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: The article already has a {{PD-notice}} for that source, which states for reference 2 "This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain.". Andrew D. (talk) 22:20, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I missed that, tucked away as it was in citation 2. This should be good to go now, with the original hook being the best. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:24, 29 June 2018 (UTC)