Template:Did you know nominations/Una B. Herrick
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:06, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
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Una B. Herrick
[edit]- ... that Una B. Herrick, the first dean of women at Montana State University, patented a strapless brassiere in 1921? Source: Brassiere US1502000-0 ([1])
- ALT1:... that Herrick Hall, for Una B. Herrick, the first dean of women at Montana State University, was the first building to be dedicated immediately after completion in 1926? Source: "Winter of Wolves: A Photographer's Journal" ([2])
Created by Elisa.rolle (talk). Self-nominated at 22:27, 12 August 2017 (UTC).
- I'm on the fence about the patent hook, because patents are WP:PRIMARY. I guess I'm comfortable with the bare statement that the patent was awarded, but I'd be interested to hear what others think. (See, incidentally, [3].) On ALT1, I don't know what "the first building to be dedicated immediately after completion in 1926" is trying to say -- were other buildings completed in 1926, but not immediately dedicated? EEng 03:14, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
- the university website says exactly "Herrick Hall is named in honor of Herrick. It was the first building to be dedicated immediately upon completion." therefore explanation is that usually buildings are dedicated AFTER the person to whom they are dedicated have left the institution. In 1926 Herrick was still in place until 1932.Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:34, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
- Well, I can agree that might be what's meant (it's certainly a vague way of saying it) but to avoid the issue, can I suggest instead
- ... that Una B. Herrick was a "trailblazer who made a place for women" at Montana State University? [4]
- EEng 21:33, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
- Well, I can agree that might be what's meant (it's certainly a vague way of saying it) but to avoid the issue, can I suggest instead
ALT2:... that Una B. Herrick was a "trailblazer who made a place for women" at Montana State University? [5] Elisa.rolle (talk) 12:51, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
@Elisa.rolle: The hook fact for ALT2 doesn't appear in the article. 97198 (talk) 05:34, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- 97198, EEng: added to the article as well "quoted". Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:06, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- the university website says exactly "Herrick Hall is named in honor of Herrick. It was the first building to be dedicated immediately upon completion." therefore explanation is that usually buildings are dedicated AFTER the person to whom they are dedicated have left the institution. In 1926 Herrick was still in place until 1932.Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:34, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead and say that the new ALT2 is a perfect compromise on the conversation and help push it through the backlog! Please stop me if anyone objects. I did verify that the article was new at the time of the DYK Nom, is of appropriate length, and well sourced. However, there is no inline citation for this quote, and the nearest sources (the Herrick Hall website, which isn't really suitable, and the "Women of the West" book) don't have this phrase in it. It's in quotations - if this is the source, it needs to be cited inline. Owlsmcgee (talk) 21:40, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- Owlsmcgee Added the inline citation. Looks the the quotation requires an ellipsis. Some options:
- ALT3: ... that Una B. Herrick was a "trailblazer ... who made a place for women" at Montana State University?
- ALT4: ... that "trailblazer" Una B. Herrick "made a place for women" at Montana State University?
- ALT5: ... that Una B. Herrick was a "trailblazer", making "a place for women" at Montana State University?
- ALT6: ... that Una B. Herrick was a "trailblazer in a frontier college who made a place for women" at Montana State University? --Usernameunique (talk) 22:05, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- Usernameunique: thank you, I was working another DYK for Gerda and was adjusting this one, but you preceded me. ALT3 sounds better, but also ALT4 is fine. Elisa.rolle (talk) 23:05, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Wonderful work Usernameunique. I prefer ALT3 and ALT4. Ready to go in my estimate. Owlsmcgee (talk) 22:47, 4 September 2017 (UTC)