Template talk:Country data American Samoa

Requested edit

This template needs

• | link alias-football = American Samoa national association football team

so American Samoa and American Samoa do not link to a redirect page. --Theurgist (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Not done: There is nothing inherently wrong with linking to redirects. Anomie⚔ 03:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but this template is transcluded on many pages already and will be transcluded on future pages as well, and visitors might assume that someone has forgotten to take care of the template after renaming the article about the team (that's exactly what I assumed, FWIW). Other "country data" templates are supplied with the "link alias-football" parametre and this one will get consistent with them if it has it too, and even though United States national football team is a disambiguation and Canada national football team describes a team competing in a different sport, I think a minor aesthetic change would do absolutely no harm. --Theurgist (talk) 03:53, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

The American Samoa national association football team article also transcludes the template. It is there in the table at the "World Cup qualification record" section; that table will soon be expanded with two more rows as the team has two forthcoming games scheduled for later this week. The article essentially contains numerous links to itself, but technically those links are redirects, and so "American Samoa" appears as a blue link and not as boldface plain text, and if one follows this link to see what article it opens, one finds oneself at the top of the very same page. Templates like {{Japan topics}} or {{Time topics}} are not usually expected to contain redirects because it would otherwise be confusing not to have the link to the page you're currently in any different from all other links, and also the actual article title can be seen in the hover box in the cases of piped links ({{fb}} by rule produces piped links). I feel there is no reason not to make use of the "link alias-football" parametre. That's all that optional parametres are for - they provide templates with greater variability and applicability. I'm therefore re-activating "editprotected", and I'm alerting that the very same issue applies for {{Country data Samoa}} and Samoa national association football team. --Theurgist (talk) 04:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

There is nothing inherently wrong with redirects, but there are often updated on templates. Having said that, the change does not seem to have had any effect on the examples you give at the top. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:07, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 February 2012

Hello, not sure if this is the proper place to make this request regarding how this template works but here's the issue:

• {{fbw|ASA}} should link to the American Samoa women's national football team, however when I put it in an article, it comes out like this American Samoa, instead showing the men's national team. Also, the same issue is affecting the linking between underage teams as for example {{fbu|23|ASA}} will link to the men's senior team, like this American Samoa. Can anyone fix this problem? Thanks in advance, --Spartan008 (talk) 13:41, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Spartan008 (talk) 13:41, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Basically the |link alias-football= parameter is overriding input from other templates. If you remove it, the link would be built from the |alias= and |altvar= parameters instead, which would fix instances of both {{fbw}} and {{fbu}}. Good code is ready to be copied from /sandbox and examples are up in /testcases. — Bility (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Also, per the discussion above, yes the template would now create redirects to the men's national article, but as stated above, there is nothing wrong with redirects. It's actually the naming of the article (addition of the word "association") which doesn't seem to be standard as opposed to the template. At any rate, when they implemented that "fix" to get rid of a redirect, it broke other templates, so I guess you just need to revert that change. — Bility (talk) 18:04, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Bility that the most elegant solution is to simply revert the change. If we must avoid redirects, the code would be | link alias-football = American Samoa {{{age|}}} {{{mw|}}} national association football team Please note I haven't tested this. —WFC— 19:31, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Question about templates. The United States country data template is having the parametre activated this way exactly and yet is capable of displaying links to both national teams. Couldn't this one be adjusted in the same way? --Theurgist (talk) 22:22, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

If it's used, redirects would have to be created at American Samoa women's national association football team and American Samoa under-23 national association football team. The whole point of the |link alias-football= parameter was to avoid redirects, so it's lost its purpose. Since the redirects to American Samoa national association football team already exist, just reverting the addition of |link alias-football= causes the least amount of subsequent work. — Bility (talk) 22:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Hadn't realised that the national team names were different. That needs to be sorted out at WT:FOOTY, but in the meantime reverting the previous change is by far the best option. —WFC— 23:26, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I left a note at WT:FOOTY#Question about templates that they should standardize the article names, but pending those changes I think this request should be acted on to fix the broken template usages. When they get the names set, then we can put in a permanent fix if need be. — Bility (talk) 00:21, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

On the testcases, I see that when the under 23 team is required it generates a red link American Samoa national under-23 football team. Surely this should be fixed before making the change live. Tra (Talk) 03:30, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

No, those articles don't exist yet. See Template:Football in American Samoa. — Bility (talk) 03:50, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

In that case, yeah, a red link would be the correct output.  Done Tra (Talk) 05:12, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Follow up request

Okay, the American Samoa football articles have all been named consistently ("association" added in) and new code is in the sandbox that should allow all the football templates to produce direct links to the articles. Thanks, — Bility (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done Tra (Talk) 14:27, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit requested

Replace

| link alias-football = American Samoa {{{mw|}}} national association {{{age|}}} football team

to

| link alias-football = American Samoa {{{mw|}}} national {{{age|}}} association football team

for fitting association football. Sawol (talk) 05:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Y Done. Please check to make sure that the edit has worked correctly. Harryboyles 16:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 August 2017

Please copy the sandbox version to live. I've fixed the football parameter. Here are some examples:
{{fb|American Samoa}} → American Samoa (incorrect wikilink)
{{fb|American Samoa/sandbox}} → American Samoa (correct wikilink)
{{fbwu|17|American Samoa}} → American Samoa (incorrect wikilink)
{{fbwu|17|American Samoa/sandbox}} → American Samoa (correct wikilink)
Maiō T. (talk) 16:48, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Done — JJMC89 (T·C) 17:21, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Edit request 22 September 2023

Description of suggested change: Following page move of American Samoa national football team, could the template be update to link to American Samoa men's national football team similar to how it has been done with United States? I believe that adding the text I've indicated below would be sufficient.

|link alias-football = American Samoa {{{mw|men's}}} national {{{age|}}} football team Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 16:04, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 08:48, 23 September 2023 (UTC)