User talk:Choess/Archive2

Thanks!

Hi Choess, thanks very much for the White Deer Hole Creek lumber railroad information - my guess is that today's Gap Road probably follows the old RR line fairly closely west out of Elimsport. I will add it and several other things that I have found to the article when my real life gets a little less crazy / busy. I liked the Spanish Prisoner article too - as always I am amazed by both your sources and resourcefulness. Bis später, Ruhrfisch 03:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks too for the Lancaster County RR info. Now I have no excuse not to put it into the article. Take care, Ruhrfisch 11:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I have started to put railroad information into the Lancaster County, Pennsylvania article. I only have modern lines and want to add historic information but must confess I am at a bit of a loss as how best to incorporate what you gave me. If you have a chance, could you a) make sure the modern lines make sense (I am not a RR person, but I play one on TV) and b) see if my poor attempt to start to add history makes sense too? I am off to do that now. Thanks again and take care, Ruhrfisch 04:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks and see the Barnstar below for your wonderful LanCo RR section. I feel like the shoemaker who went to bed and found on waking that the Heinzelmännchen (Gnomes?) had finished all the shoes overnight. More later but thanks so much, Ruhrfisch 22:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
    • What is written at User:Choess/Lancaster Railroads seems fine, as far as it goes - obviously the first part is nearly done and the last part is still just notes. My main concern with the LanCo article is that it will get too big, but then articles can always be calved off (like glaciers?) and summaries left behind. I have been painfully aware for some time that there is almost nothing on PA canals on WP. I know some about the West Branch Division (and oddly enough know the start and end dates for service to Larrys Creek, although only the end date is in the article). There is a decent PA canal history I have thought of buying, but I keep hesitating to add canals to my to do list. I am going to try and make Highway stubs for all the new LanCo highway redlinks anyway. I found the song fascinating - the focus on canals and railroads is always how they spurred growth, so we tend to forget their other impacts. I think the song could be carefully cited (not cause and effect but perhaps there is a connection) if there were some ways to pin it to the RR. If the song is dated and is of the same era, or if the RR is the only one to Phila. built with tax dollars (I thought most were private). Take care and thanks as always Ruhrfisch 02:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
      • You are very welcome for the barnstar. I can sympathize with 'obscure' topics - I am still amazed I managed to get FA status for a smallish creek for which PennDot won't deign to put up a marker on the US 220 bridge (if there is not a grammatical error in that sentence, there should be from the way it sounds). Ruhrfisch 02:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• The LC RR History article is great. If you need a LC map with the town locations on it I could work on that slowly (just towns - I don't have the RR locations). I understand about work being pressing (mine is right now too). Don't overdo it. By the way, if you use DMF as a solvent, and have trouble drying it, DMA (N,N-dimethylacetamide) works well and is much easier to dry and keep dry (I distill it from calcium hydride under reduced pressure, then store it under nitrogen). Do you think it would be worth mentioning Native American Paths in LC? Wallace's "Indian Paths of Penna" lists ten in LC. Oh, nearly forgot, Chiques Creek made Did You know? (it is on right now) - thanks for your contributions to it. Ruhrfisch 02:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Patronage Secretary

I'm not entirely sure, but [www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/notes/snpc-02829.pdf this] seems to suggest that it was an eighteenth-century semi-official (or at least almost universal) common name for the PSttT. I doubt it was ever a completely official title, though. Proteus (Talk) 06:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Attorney General for Ireland

See response to your query on my talk page.George Burgess 09:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

British Historical Facts 1830-1900 by Chris Cook and Brendan Keith (Macmillan, 1975) gives the Irish Law Officers for 1841-1846 as:

• Att.-Gen. Ireland
  • F. Blackburn 23 Sep 41
  • T. Smith 1 Nov 42
  • R. Green 21 Sep 42
• Sol.-Gen. Ireland
  • E. Pennefather 2 Feb 46
  • J.D. Jackson 23 Sep 41
  • T. Smith 10 Nov 41
  • R. Green 1 Nov 42
  • A. Brewster 2 Feb 46.

As you say, there's an error in there somewhere. The first appointments by the Whig Government 1846-1852 are given as R. Moore, 16 Jul 46 as Attorney General, and J.H. Monahan 16 Jul 46 as Solicitor General. Haydn's Book of Dignities (W.H. Allen, 1894; reprinted Firecrest, 1969) gives the Attorneys General for the period as Francis Blackburne, 23 Sept 1841; Thomas Berry Cusack Smith, 1 Nov 1842; Richard Wilson Greene, 2 Feb 1846; Richard Moore, 16 July 1846. The Solicitors General for the same period are Edward Pennefather, 23 Sept 1841; Joseph Devonshire Jackson, 10 Nov 1841; Thomas Berry Cusack Smith, 21 Sept 1842; Richard Wilson Greene, 1 Nov 1842; Abraham Brewster, 2 Feb 1846; James Henry Monahan, 16 July 1846. Pennefather and Jackson are marked with an asterisk, denoting that they were later raised to the Bench without having been Attorney General. Opera hat 13:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Good News

	<font=3> Thanks again for your contributions, support, and comments - Larrys Creek made featured article today! Take care, Ruhrfisch 03:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Baronets

Please visit my User page - Baronetcy project 11:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		To Choess: for tireless and numerous contributions of the highest quality to a wide variety of articles, especially Pennsylvania railroads and streams, and for the ability to always be able to find interesting, pertinent, and often obscure sources. Given in grateful admiration by Ruhrfisch 22:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Wagoner's Curse

I love that find of yours. I wish there was a way to use it in the Lancaster County article, but even if you could show that it's about the Philly/Columbia line, it's too long to fit in the article, and most people can't look at sheet music and "hear" the music in their minds. BTW, thanks for your contribution to the LC, PA article. I ended up decorating it this afternoon with a stock photo from the Strasburg Railroad website. I hope you approve. ClairSamoht 03:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Burkem

Thanks for the message. Unfortunately, I'm not an expert in 19th-century genealogy, far from it actually, but I do see a problem with this pattern of adding questionable and unsourced content to Wikipedia after repeated requests not to. Might you be able to help provide references for some of the salvageable ones, and then {{prod}} the rest? Can't sleep, clown will eat me 21:41, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Page in sandbox

Looks like a nice page - and I wouldn't change the way you have your references. Inline references are what they ask for in Good Articles and Featured Articles, and there's no reason to degrade your page, just to look like so many pages that were just thrown together haphazardly. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 17:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• I agree it looks good and thank you for all your hard work on it. Would it be possible to put a sentence or two in the canals sections so it is not blank (I think you mentioned three canals in the info dump or somewhere on my Talk page)? I will work on the trails and let you and Clair see it before putting it anywhere. Glad to hear the reaction is working in pyridine - by the way, prolonged exposure to pyridine can cause testicular atrophy (not sure if that is an issue, but it is a fact that has lodged in my brain that I thought I would share). Sorry to be so slow in replying - have had a busy day and feel as if I am getting a cold. Take care, Ruhrfisch 21:59, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• PS I also wondered if a few images would help - the map off the PA Mainline article perhaps, and a Strasburg Railroad picture come to mind. Ruhrfisch 11:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I am never sure of Wiki-etiquette for editing something in someone else's sandbox, but how about something like "19th century Canals in Lancaster County included the Eastern Division of the Pennsylvania Canal (or Main Line of Public Works) and the Conestoga Navigation Company." for now? Glad to hear the family Joules, er jewels, are safe - until you answered I realized it was like Schrödinger's cat, since I did not know your gender and there was a 50/50 chance (roughly) on the outcome ;-). I am working on the Native American trails - may make it where I go in and add wikilinks later to avoid redlinks now. Take care, Ruhrfisch 16:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Kerr

No worries about the over-lapping edits - I didn't realise there were so many Charles Kerrs. I think that that's how it normally works with enobling - resigning from Parliament through one of te jobs that prevents membership, and then becoming a peer a while after. I'm no sure if there's a law that actually prevents someone being made a peer while they are sitting in the House of Commons.

I'm a bit worried the use of his middle name makes it look like that's how he was known, which dosn't seem to have been the case, so I'm going to touch up some of those edits if that's OK.

If someone accepts a peerage that elevates them to the House of Lords then they are automatically disqualified from being an MP and their seat is vacant and a by-election is called in their seat, since 1963 of course people have been able to decline peerages and even renounce peerages and stand for the House of Commons, the most notable of course rejecting or renouncing peerages under the act (I forget the name offhand) being Tony Benn and Lord Hailsham, presumably now that people do not by right get a seat in the House of Lords if a Hereditary Peer they too will be able to sit in the House of Commons if they so wish if elected--Lord of the Isles 18:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Boyle Roche

Thanks for your careful attention to the Boyle Roche article. I have responded to your issues where you listed them.ubiquity 12:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I made some changes to the article, as outlined in the talk page.ubiquity 20:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with the article, and your review. I look forward to working together again.ubiquity 03:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

D*ville

Mapquest says there is no S in the road. When I look up the zip-plus-four for an address on the road, giving the name with an S, it comes back without the S. Rats. How come everybody else be wrong on this? Well, no sense in getting them upset; I guess I will just pretend that they're right, and start spelling it wrong, just like they do. ::grin:: (Thanks.) ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 07:41, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I live in Cabbage Hill, if you're familiar with the city neighborhoods. I grew up in NW Ohio, have lived in Indiana and Wisconsin, worked in research for Drackett (they made Windex, Drano, other household cleaners; I helped invent cinnamon fragrance air fresheners) and Central Soya (hydrogenation, fats/oils development; I helped invent "I can't believe it's not butter"). A woman kidnapped me, moved me to PA about the turn of the century, and got me to marry her; I've lived here since. I suggest that the three of us get together and hoist a fleaker (do they still make those?) of beverage together, except that we seem to be getting along so well online, I hate to risk screwing things up.... ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 07:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Fleakers were made by Pyrex Corning, I think. Take a 500 ml beaker, extend the walls up until it holds about 1 liter, then neck in the glass so that you've got an opening about half the diameter as the straight-sided flask you've created. You flare out at the top like a beaker, and you have a pouring spout. They came with a rubber cork that not only stoppered the bottle, but had a shroud that covered the neck of the bottle so you had a near-perfect cylinder. They were expensive compared to other flasks, and the shape didn't offer any particular advantage in engaging in reactions, but they looked really nifty. In the Drackett lab, most of them were used for holding beverages - coffee, or ice water, or whatever.

I was impressed by you two until I realized you were both chemists. Nobody would ever make it through a year of p.chem unless they were fairly intelligent, willing to work hard, and highly motivated. And although I've been going downhill for fifteen years, you two seem to still be able to cut the mustard. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 08:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

• Hey, I also grew up in the northwest corner of the Buckeye state (Flag City USA ring any bells?) I photographed two of the last fleakers remaining in captivity (with lids no less) and put them into Wikipedia for future generations of chemists and others to enjoy. Not sure how timing would work, but I am open to a wikimeet at some point. Last time I was in Lancaster County was several years ago - I met some friends from Germany who drove up from Washington DC. We went through the Amish House musueum because they were fascinated with the Amish and it seemed the least offensive place I could find (no actual Amish there). It was a farmhouse and the guide went through each room and told us about its function and had obviously recited the spiel so many times that it was slightly sing-songy, ending each time with "Any questions about BLANK and the Amish?", where BLANK was that room's topic. I learned that the Amish like National Geographic magazine and dress their dead in white (from Revelations, the righteous shall be clothed in white) but not much else. I have a sneaking suspiscion that my German friends drove off to a place with 'real' Amish after we parted - to me that was too much like a zoo. OK, it is late and I am running off at the keyboard. As usual when thinking about an article (the paths) I keep thinking I should make a map. Take care, Ruhrfisch 04:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I never heard of Flag City USA until you mentioned it. My brother's girl married a guy who works at Cooper Tire, though. I have a gen-u-wine degree from Defiance College, which is a lot wester than Findlay, but I'm not sure which is norther. Got a map handy? ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 20:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Useless trivia #57: the flag lined Main Street of ____, Ohio (to use the 19th century novelist's convention) is 60 miles east of the Indiana state line (or so I was taught as a youth). Defiance is more north and more west (more northwester?) than good old Flag City, but it is downstream of it via the Blanchard and Auglaize Rivers [1]. If we did have a Wikimeet I would likely stop to take pictures of every creek crossed on the way and miss it... ;-) Ruhrfisch 21:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

GA criteria

It's right there on the page: "You cannot choose an article you've significantly contributed to." ROnline had done the majority of edits to that article. Daniel Case 22:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I see your point ... I was misreading the qualifications.

Still, I think that would be a good rule to follow. FAC has to deal with far too many nominations by people who haven't bothered to read the criteria, they just think the article's great, or by people trying too hard to promote their articles. I like GA because it's primarily a reader's thing ... I come across what I consider good articles that I have nothing to do with quite frequently (see a favorite of mine, Battles of Lexington and Concord, which needs its references inline but is otherwise outstanding), and limiting self-noms keeps the nomination queue manageable. Daniel Case 00:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Knight

I see you've had your own difficulties with User:Larry Dunn. But would you please have another word with him? I'm tired of having extensive and sourced additions reverted. JCScaliger 23:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree it's a real mess; I'm trying to make sense out of it. JCScaliger 03:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

GA comments

I've been working on rewriting of some sections here and making drafts for new here. I want to tell you that your comments have been very helpful and have served me well for formulating prose. Do you wish to comment them in their current state or do you want to wait until I insert them in the article?

Peter ^Isotalo 13:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I've replied to the review issues I believe I've amended so far. Do you think you could take a look at it?

Peter ^Isotalo 11:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Paths

Hi Choess, a start at a Lancaster County Native American paths article / section is here. Comments are welcome - it would probably fit in the historical roads part of your article on Transportation in LC (as I follow Wallace in trying to list modern highways that follow these paths). I still have a fair amount to add, but wanted some feedback. I will also leave this message on ClairSamoht's talk page. Take care, Ruhrfisch 04:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Chickies Ridge looks nice. Where did you find out the Chiquesalunga information? Sure sounds like that's where Salunga got its name, as well. I suspect if the red links in that article were to turn blue, it could pass GA. In fact I think a lot of the work you and Ruhrfisch are doing is easily GA quality.

Congrats on passing your candidacy exam.

I keep seeing political ads on television, and thinking it's a shame those folks don't have to pass candidacy exams as well.... Oh, well, they have their own exams to pass, first Tuesday after first Monday in November.... ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 23:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• Congratulations on passing your candidacy exam - that is wonderful news. I also like Chickies Ridge and fixed a minor error (cut and paste on the infobox?). I bet the largest syncline or is it anticline would be a shoo in for Did you know? More in a bit, but wanted to say how happy I am to hear your good news. Ruhrfisch 00:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
• I have added to my "Frog" (an old habit I have for naming temp files). I put some questions on Clair's talk page that I would appreciate either or both of your feedback on. Briefly they are: How much detail to go into outside of LC, and what kind of map(s) to make? I agree that Salunga's name must come from Chiquesalunga, but can find no source that says that explicitly. I thought your pyridine response was very funny - it was mine I was worried about ;-). Take care and congrats again - grad school is a marathon, not a sprint, so this is an important milestone. Ruhrfisch
  • Hi Choess, I added summit data from the USGS GNIS to Chickies Ridge, but I took the Rock summit height back out as it didn't jibe with the USGS topo map and the Ridge summit seems a bit low too. I was trying to be helpful... My frog is done. It needs to be cleaned up a bit probably, and I want to try and put where canals and RR followed paths (please check those), but how do you want to put this into article space? I can add it to your Transportation article before or after it is up (the suggested name is fine, BTW). Just let me know. Also if you have the time and inclination, any thoughts on maps would be appreciated. Take care, Ruhrfisch 04:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Congrats on the DYK for Chickies Rock - I think the new Transportation article has some DYK worthy facts in it too. Maybe the use of the earliest RR as a public road? Or Old Peter's Road being the basis of the boundaries of six townships? I added some maps and other images to the article. I will work on a map - my basic idea with NA paths is to make a separate article and refer to that (with only the LC info and termini left in the Transportation article). As a model see Great Island Path in White Deer Hole Creek. More later, take care, Ruhrfisch 22:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Choess, I put several maps and a picture into the article, hope they make it better. I will work long term on separate articles for the major paths (Great Minquas Path, Monocacy Path, Paxtang Path, French Creek Path, and Old Peter's Road (so that could be DYK then)). As I make separate articles I will try to get individual maps in them and pare down what is left in LanCo Transportation. I also thought we could take the minor redlink highways out of the LC article itself and put in a pared down transportation section with a see Main article link.

Do you ever contact people / companies / agencies about errors you find (like WaWa Corp.)? I am tempted to write / email USGS about the Chickies Rock / Ridge heights. I also am going to let PennDot know of the three map errors / omissions I have found so far in their otherwise excellent PA County maps (in contrast the OhioDot county maps are just that section cut out of the 2003 Bicentennial state map - very little detail). I have contacted PA DCNR for more info on state parks, but then I am in a bind as I can't cite it if it is not published (I tried doing a personal communication cite as in Chemistry articles on an email I used to fix Allegheny Islands State Park but Clair pointed out when I asked that it is not wiki-kosher (or is it wikosher?)). Sigh. I left the info in and took the cite out - one of the map omissions is that the Allegheny Co. PennDOT map does not show this state park.

At some point I want to make a mountain article on Bald Eagle Mountain. It is a very long ridge of the Ridge and Valley Appalchians and runs from Muncy in Lycoming Co. through Clinton and Centre Cos. to Tyrone in Blair Co. The West Branch Susquehanna River and the two Bald Eagle Creeks flow along it, as does the Nittany and Bald Eagle Railroad, all on the same north or west side) but I have next to no info on it. I am inspired by your Chickies Ridge article though. Perhaps I should just work on making all the articles I have started better for a while and uploading all the pictures I took for WP this summer but have not got around to putting on Commons. OK, cease transmission of random Wiki-thoughts. Take care, Ruhrfisch 02:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Good idea

It's a very good idea to try to have peerage.com qualify its (current) misinformation. Not that I think it will slow down M. de Sousa <g>. - Nunh-huh 22:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Peter Tempesta

Good questions. I have modified the article to answer some of them. I believe they both retreated to Fucecchio and Peter died en route, but this may be wrong. I should check it with another source. I have found no source besides Wikipedia to give Peter the title Count of Gravina, so I omitted it. Srnec 02:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The mystery of his death needs to be cleared up. Only [2] seems to be a trustworthy online source for calling Peter "Count of Gravina". Srnec 03:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I rechecked my source and it says that the battle was fought on the plain and then mentions retreat and states that Peter was morte nel padule di Fucecchio: "in the marsh of Fucecchio". What does that mean? I interpreted it to mean that he retreated some and died in the marsh on the way. This also explains why his body was never found. I added the detail to the article. Srnec 02:57, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Board of Ordnance

Hey Choess, I think that they should be filed under S-mil. These were civilian offices, but however they were dominated by the armed forces very strongly (much more than the later war office) and organised in military lines.

By the way, what do you think about the creation of a list of offices and which headings can be used for? (something like [3], I had done for my own).

Greetings Phoe 19:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 28 September, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chickies Ridge, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Privy Council

If you want to go at it from Mr. Thompson's side, Burke's Landed Gentry might have something, although I have no clear idea on that. From the other side, various lists of the Privy Councillors created after 1660 exist - I specifically remember Haydn's Book of Dignities as having one, although no such list is going to be entirely free of errors and omissions, I wouldn't think. I will add that Leigh Rayment's site, which is normally fairly accurate, lists Mr. Thompson as an MP for York from 1722 to 1742, but not as a privy councillor. The positions he held - a junior lord of the admiralty and a minor Irish position - seem unlikely to lead to being appointed to the privy council. Is it possible that your sources are simply mistaken? john k 18:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Since he held an Irish position, the Irish Privy Council seems plausible. john k 12:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Maps

Thanks as always for your kind words about Larrys Creek. I agree that Wikipedia can be good at topics that would never appear in a print encyclopedia. There are still limestone quarries on Bald Eagle Mountain (one is on Hagermans Run not far from South Williamsport) and several near State College on Nittany Mountain.

Which of the Lancaster County, Pennsylvania maps I made is the size you want? The larger is 668 by 610 pixels Image:Map of Lancaster County Pennsylvania With Municipal and Township Labels.png, and the smaller is 488 by 383 pixels Image:Map of Lancaster County Pennsylvania School Districts.png? I can make maps from the factfinder.census.gov website with the streams showing, plus the borders of townships (if wanted) and boroughs and Lancaster. The smaller (school district map size) would be a little easier to make, but I could make one larger or a different size if needed. I will go with whichever you want and make a paths map based on it too.

By the way, according to Wallace (and Clair and Louis L'Amour), Native American paths tended to be dry, level, and direct wherever possible. The Tulpehocken path from Womelsdorf north to Shamokin village crossed six mountains but only climbed two. Take care, Ruhrfisch 02:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for your cleanup work on Lancaster County. I am also cleaning a bit. Do you want to condense the transportation section (since it is mostly your baby) or should I? I really hope we have not lost Clair over all this - he has not made any contributions since Sept. 29. Take care, Ruhrfisch
• PS Did you know you are #770 in terms of number of edits? Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits Ruhrfisch 01:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I moved Sports above See also in LC this morning (did not want to do so last night when I cleaned it up as I was afraid of an edit conflict with you). I have also been moving citations to the ends of sentences at least or paragraphs, and doing some minor copy editing. This often leads to 2 or 3 refs at the end of a sentence, but I figure anyone interested enough can puzzle out which is which (and I keep them in order cited). If need be, some related refs could be combined into one ref (for example the three Quick Facts Census Data sheet refs giving hispanic % for Lancaster City, Phila. and NYC). Eventually the refs should all be the same style - I prefer cite web, but it will be a lot of work to change them all. All of these complaints about the number of refs remind me a bit of the "too many notes" scene in the film Amadeus.

Agree that History needs work (no mention Lancaster was capital of the US for a year, almost no history post 1870). If the article needs to be pared, a separate article with summary left seems the way to go. Problem is I know very little LC specific history.

Thanks for your preferences. I will work on a map - I like to include all of the political boundaries (township, boro, city borders) - is that OK too? (I do not have to include them). FYI, this week ahead will be quite hectic for me so I can probably get the map done and revert in my watchlist, but not sure if much else is possible. Take care, Ruhrfisch 13:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• • I put a Lancaster County map without labels on Wikipedia here Image:Lancaster County, PA.PNG. Let me know if this is OK and I will label it as you wanted. If it is not OK, please say what to change. I put it on WP as I can db-self it here, but the final version will be on Commons. This version is 851 by 706 pixels, so it is a bit bigger than I thought (although the original is huge - 1422 by 1179 pixels - nine separate 20 mile wide maps from the US Census factfinder webpage stitched together in a 3 x 3 grid). I used the Census map that shows almost all water bodies, although borders trump streams if they coincide. I can make the map again without political boundaries if you prefer (so streams show more clearly). Oddly enough I was pretty sure you wrote Nickel Mines, PA when I read it (perhaps from reading Scotia, PA). I am sick about the whole incident - part of why I made the map was to do somthing to distract me, although I have enough other things to do for distraction. Good luck with your troublesome 'friend' and take care, Ruhrfisch 02:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
    • If the map above is too detailed or shows too much of the surrounding counties, how about something like this one Image:Major Watersheds in Lycoming County Pennsylvania.png which just shows the county outline, major creeks, and dots for places of interest? Or this one Image:Fort Wayne Indiana Metro Map.PNG that just shows the counties in question, with their major highways and cities (I could do something like this and add the Conestoga River and dots for villages). One week and no news from Clair. Take care, Ruhrfisch 15:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if you watch my Talk page or not, but Clair said goodbye there tonight (under section Frog, I think it is number 16). He is gone from WP. I am quite sad about all this. I think I will send him an email in a week or two, but need to think what to say first. I am watching Johnny Appleseed now (his only GA). Take care (and don't you dare quit), Ruhrfisch 03:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Burkem contributions

I see on User:Burkem's talk page that you pointed out error in his geneological additions.

Would you please take a look at William FitzAldelm de Burgh? If you believe it to be false, please send it to WP:AFD. It previously had a {{prod}} tag, but it was contested. From the author's pattern of edits, it is possible that it is a hoax or incorrected; but I am not an expert.

I did find a this "source" in a Google search — but it seems to be Burkem's contributions sourcing himself.

Thanks. — ERcheck (talk) 05:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I temporarily blocked Burkem for the recent run of vandalism edits. This was my first encounter with the editor (reported on AIV). — ERcheck (talk) 05:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

My block was the first for Burkem. Question — has Burkem made any constructive edits, or have they all been hoaxes? — ERcheck (talk) 10:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Burkem's block expired and he has been making more edits, some of which were obvious errors (I reverted). Please take a look at Genealogy of the de Burgo’s to see if this is a hoax. — ERcheck (talk) 02:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I am concerned by Burkem and his edits and raised it with ERcheck. My concern is not that Burkem is providing original research but that he is being conned by past authors who have been discredited. I think he is insufficiently sceptical. I think it will take a great deal of unravelling. ERcheck replied (reasonably) as follows. But the area Burkem is uploading so prolifically is not my speciality. Can you help? - Kittybrewster 01:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I see that you have an interest in genealogy. I have very limited knowledge on the topic, so I am not in a position to discern hoaxes that are not immediately obvious. Are you able to provide evidence that one or more of Burkem's recent articles are hoaxes/unreliable. If so, that would be a great help. If you can do this, I would appreciate it if you would post it on the administrators' notice board (and let me know as well). I am too am concerned about the potential introduction of articles that are based on original research/false.

Burkem says of his source: "This Book The Line of The Burke's hasn't not come out Publiclly yet, but since i'm a Burke and Burkes are very close to each other they let me see the book." (sic). - Kittybrewster 14:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

PRR Connecting Railway and HOLMES Tower

Hi, Choess!

I model towers as well and can send an exterior picture of HOLMES. I just have to dig it up. I spent many a night there from 1975 to 1981 and have seen much of the old traffic dwindle. I still remember when the K&T Branch was in operation and saw trains on Tioga Street late at night. The Bustleton Branch is alive and well. Chooch331 22:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Courtesy barons

We generally used "John X, Lord Y", which helps to distinguish them from life barons. I don't think "Baron" is ever used, to be honest, even in formal documents (I seem to recall that a courtesy baron would be "John Robert Smith, Esquire, commonly called Lord Courtesy-Peerage", but I don't have Correct Form to hand). Proteus (Talk) 22:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

This might help - note the address Lord Cecil - though is complicated by it being a very unusual writ type and circumstances. [4] Alci12 19:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

D'Arco

Hi Choess,

Thanks for the link to D'Arco - I've searched everywhere for some info on him without any luck whatsoever. I'm afraid I don't speak German so I would be most grateful for a translation if you wouldn't mind (just enough for a brief stub should suffice). I'm very grateful that you let me know of this article - it should please the FAC reviewers ;)

Re: Austrian Habsburg genealogy. Well, I made it for another article I am writing but decided not to use it. I put the diagram in the Schellenberg article as an afterthought; didn't want it to go to waste ;). I thought a pictorial representation, clearly showing the electors' close links to the Habsburg dynasty, stands in stark contrast to his affiliations with Louis. It may not be wholly relevant, but I would prefer it to stay. What do you think?

Thanks once again Choess. Raymond Palmer 22:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that Choess. I will alter the caption to the diagram. Raymond Palmer 00:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Organization of railroad articles

Well, a month is certainly more than enough time to wait for a response. Let's see what I can come up with...

I saw an article earlier today on a Southern Pacific branch in northern California... Ah, there it is: Biola Branch (Southern Pacific). This could serve as an example for branches that were wholly owned and operated by a larger railroad company. For lines where they were owned/operated by subsidiaries, it seems like the best option will be to write articles as if the company is separate. One example would be the articles at Iowa, Chicago and Eastern Railroad (currently a stub), Dakota, Minnesota and Eastern Railroad (a current GA) and the as-yet unwritten Cedar American Rail Holdings. Basically, if there's a separate corporate identity for a section of track or for operations, that company name should have an article (or at least a redirect to another article where it is discussed in detail). To bind the articles into a set, a navigation box listing the subsidiary companies by region or operations type (a separate box for each logical grouping to keep the boxes from getting too large) could be placed at the end of each line within a grouping, kind of like {{British Rail sectors}} does for the operating divisions of British Rail. Slambo (Speak) 17:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good application of what I described. Let's get a few articles down and see how it all works out. B-) Slambo (Speak) 15:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Formatting succession boxes

See reply on my talk (succession boxes). --BrownHairedGirl ^{(talk) • (contribs)} 18:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Try George H W Bush - Kittybrewster 10:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Wrong Dauphin

But which one is the right one? Please edit accordingly. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 17:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. Thanks for the quick reply. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 17:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

User:People Powered

I was wondering what the deal is here. I don't mean to be a bore, but I've effectively been mentoring this guy for the past month or two, and now I hear he's been blocked as a sockpuppet. I can't seem to make the connection between him and Karmafist. Probably because I've only been here for about 4-5 months, and don't know the intimate details of the K-fist affair; however, a brief viewing and comparison of both of their contributions doesn't floor me or anything. Could you please explain how you made the connection?

I don't want to sound like I'm badgering you, or anything like that, just want to satisfy my own curiousity. And I'm probably looking for someone to make me feel less stupid about babying him, if he really is who you think he is. — riana_dzasta 12:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

That certainly helps, thank you. I did initially find it suspicious that he was so active in policy - his 40th or 50th edit was taking part in an RfA. However, I just thought he might be one of those people who get stuck into things quickly...

You're probably all right, although if it is him, he's certainly doing a good job of acting the wounded innocent - see my talkpage. Then again, his activity on Freakofnurture's talkpage is anything but polite.

I'd request a CheckUser, but I'm beginning to become less and less inclined to believe him, so I'll just let the wind die down.

Thanks for all your help... I'm still rather confused about it all, but I'll try to let it go for now, and let 'the big people' handle it :) riana_dzasta 15:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, my. That's rather interesting. Thanks for that.

I don't think I'm confused anymore... Jesus. I feel like a dork. riana_dzasta 15:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's pretty silly, leaving a veritable trail of clues like that. If they're clues.

Interesting that MONGO created the Andrew Sylvia article - judging by MONGO's barn, he seems to have gotten along quite well with Karmafist. Wonder what the motivation behind that was.

Well, I guess I'll just wait and see what he has to say next. If he isn't a sock, I feel rather bad, but the case against him is starting to look pretty strong... Thanks for keeping me updated, by the way, it's been helpful. Wish I'd met you under more pleasant circumstances :) riana_dzasta 15:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: What You Said On Riana Dzasta's Page

I have over 1,000 edits, you'd think I'd know of that little tab at the top of the page that says "history", particularly when people are talking about an article made about some guy that people think are me and I try to see what's going on. You people are just a mob looking to scapegoat people for fun. -- People Powered

First, please be candid. I figured out you were Karmafist long before Freakofnurture went into action. Having done so, I saw that you were a productive editor and avoided conflict, and so I did not confront you or out you at your editor review or on any other occasion. As you may see, when you expressed a desire to make admin, I became concerned (because of your comments on WR about using sockpuppets to make admin and reveal deleted pages), so I asked an admin I trusted to be wise and discrete, in a manner that would not obviously reveal who you were. After that, I did nothing about you and talked to no one (I don't use IRC) until after Freakofnurture blocked you. You were acting responsibly, and I was content to leave you in peace. I don't want you to vandalize or damage Wikipedia, but I have no grudge against you, and I'm sorry you couldn't just edit as an ordinary user indefinitely, and not get sucked back into this whirlpool. I must say my trust in you is rather shaken for the nasty message you left for Riana, but my basic position is still the same: if I run across another one of your sockpuppets, I'll leave it be as long as it's editing and staying out of fights, as you were until now. (Incidentally, I trust you've been looking into Citizendium? Some of Larry's proposals about governance remind me of your manifesto, and it'll have the opportunity to skim out the best of Wikipedia. Working on that sounds much more pleasant to me than trying to subvert Wikipedia.) Choess 04:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm so sorry to get you involved in all this. I'm going to attempt to fix things to set people's minds at rest. riana_dzasta 04:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Bah! It'll take more than some troll to drive me away from this place, I love it here :) Thanks for all your kindness. I don't think the matter has rested yet, but I promise to keep you out of it as much as possible if it goes any further. riana_dzasta 07:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Baron Lexin(g)ton

I'd be inclined to go with the CP. It's normally pretty authoritative for spellings. Proteus (Talk) 15:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Karmafist

Well, actually he's not allowed to edit, at all ([5]). If you feel he got a raw deal, I recommend filing a request for arbitration on his behalf. —freak(talk) 03:53, Oct. 17, 2006 (UTC)

Sense or nonsense?

How does Lords of Connaught look? Regards Mr Stephen 23:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. It's good to hear that he's acting in good faith and things are improving. I'm not sure if there is a mentoring scheme around, I'll have a look tomorrow. Regards, Mr Stephen 00:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Burkem's newest additions

User:Burkem has returned making new genealogy edits — see his contributions list. I am unable to discern their correctness, though I do note that they are unsourced. If you have time, would you please take a look. If they are problematic, as his earlier edits, then appropriate actions can be taken. — ERcheck (talk) 00:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad that you are still keeping a watch and that you and Mr. Stephen are willing to mentor him. Drop me a line if there is anything that I can do to help that needs admin tools. — ERcheck (talk) 18:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Lord Hamilton, Baron of Strabane

Seems to be a similar thing. There do appear to be a few Irish peerages of the same format (Lord Cork seems to be "Lord Boyle, Baron of Youghal" and "Lord Boyle, Baron of Broghill", for instance.) Proteus (Talk) 13:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Although looking at the disambig page Baron Hamilton, we do appear to be in a complete mess. As far as I know all but the last two of these titles were actually just "Hamilton" with various formats of territorial designation. Some sort of merger or complicated disambig format would seem to be required. Proteus (Talk) 15:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Possibly interesting images

Hi Choess, long time, no hear. Since you like the PRR, I thought you might be interested in these images of a restored PRR caboose and a restored 1920's era PRR passenger car: Image:Lycoming Valley Railroad Engine 231.JPG (could be cropped to just show the caboose, I took it for Lycoming Valley Railroad in my slow efforts to improve those eight RR articles) and Image:Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger Car.JPG (could also be cropped). Both are on Commons now and I was not sure if there was an article that could use the passenger car image. By the way, did you ever decide what kind of Lancaster Co. map would work best in term of detail? Hope all is well. Take care, Ruhrfisch 00:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

PA State Parks

I have noticed that you have done some copy editing on some PA State Park articles I have written. Let me say thanks! I need all the help I can get. Dincher 23:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I created Big Spring State Park (Pennsylvania) today and came across three more railroads. They are all red if you are at all interested. I am sure the main article will need some copyedit too. Have a good one. Dincher 23:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Mont Alto Railroad

I just finished up Mont Alto State Park while researching some history I stumbled upon the Mont Alto Railroad. I noticed you just cleared a red railroad, Jersey Shore, Pine Creek and Buffalo Railway, on the Grand Canyon of Pennsylvania article. Thought you might be interested. Dincher 01:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Horatio_Nelson,_1st_Viscount_Nelson

I posted this to the projectpeerage but thought this might be something that you might be able to think of a neat solution as you're good with the S-boxes. See the explanation at the bottom of that link Alci12 09:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Upcoming template changes

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Re: Hello again

Always glad to hear from you again and hope your (bio)chemistry is going better. I like the map as it is, but have a few comments / questions. I would add the word canal to the 'Conestoga Navigation' (to be consistent with the other canal labels). Do you want to include the Main Line of Public Works? While I like the map at full size, when I tried shrinking it down to about 350 pixels wide (just by shrinking my browser window) the labels are not very legible, nor are the canal lines very visible. Would it make sense to use a larger font? Would a different color (more contrast - red? green?) be better for the canals? Maybe make their lines wider too? I can make a map without the township boundaries if that would be better. I think I can put the passenger car photo on the Stourbridge Railroad article as I believe that they use the same cars for their tourist excursions (all Robey operated shortlines, must check). I am doing some last tweaks to Larrys Creek to try and get it on the Main Page (making the lead paragraphs less dry and hopefully more compelling / interesting as an edited version of them would be on the main page, if ever...). The perfect is the enemy of the good. Take care and hope all goes well with your column, Ruhrfisch 03:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

• Glad to hear all turned out well with the column, and more importantly, its contents. Would it make sense to have separate maps for the canals and for the railroads? It may be too busy / confusing if all are on one map. I will use the same map as the basis for a map of the Native American paths in Lancaster County as well. Since paths moved some with time, I will likely use closely spaced dots to mark their approximate course (as Wallace does in his book). Railroads and who controls what get me confused more easily than most topics ;-) . I thought I had figured out the Union County Industrial Railroad (another Robey operated shortline) based on what I could find online, then someone (a Robey employee, I suspect) dropped a "correction" in the article which I have left there for now as I am not sure what else to do with the information. If you do write a Beech Creek and subsidiaries article, let me know and I will link it in several places. I don't suppose you could just write "...while the exact means by which the agreement was arrived at are unclear, by 18xx, the NYC had gained trackage rights..."? Take care, Ruhrfisch 04:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Of course, after not looking at the UCIR and other Robey web pages for some time, they have added more (and more helpful) information, which verifies much of the drop in. Take care, Ruhrfisch 11:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
    • FYI, I now own Taber's Logging Railroad Era of Lumbering in Penna. Volumes 3 and 4. I checked #4 (which deals with Pine Creek) but it makes only passing mention of the NYC line in Pine Creek (and none that I could find on a quick perusal of the predecessor Jersey Shore, Pine Creek & Buffalo). If only he had an index, i could be sure, but I do not think the answer to your question is in Taber #4. Sorry, Ruhrfisch 04:29, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Thanks so much for Jersey Shore, Pine Creek and Buffalo Railway. I have added it to Larrys Creek, Pine Creek (Pennsylvania), Pine Creek Gorge, and the two state parks (Leonard Harrison and Colton Point). I plan to make a stub or start for the Pine Creek Rail Trail and the West Rim Trail this weekend and will include it in the former (the latter is just an awesome trail). Take care and thanks again, Ruhrfisch 22:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Congrats on the DYK. I still haven't gotten to making stubs for the trails. I had a few questions for you, if you have a chance. Do you still do Good Article decisions? If so, would you mind looking at Paulins Kill, which is in the GA nominees now? I got involved in the Peer Review process and think it has an excellent chance at FAC, but it is waiting in the GA queue before moving to FAC (if it is not good Wikiquette to jump in line, I understand). Also, I was wondering what you would say to Clair, if anything? I have not replied to his messages since he left, mostly as I wasn't sure what to say. He left me a new one just the other day. I keep thinking he is gone so I am not sure he'd even see what I wrote on his talk page. Take care, Ruhrfisch 02:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Paulins Kill made GA today, so please don't worry about it (I don't think you did it, but thanks if you helped somehow). I have tweaked Larrys Creek again - added a few lines on historic pollution. If you get a chance and want to look at the change and make sure it sounds OK, I would appreciate it. I will think of something to say on CS' talk page eventually. Hope all is well with you, Ruhrfisch 03:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

On second thought, the canal map labels are fine - if people are interested they can always click on the map. If you are interested, I have an article at Wikipedia:Peer review/White Deer Hole Creek/archive1. Hope all is well, Ruhrfisch 21:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Burkem

I'd welcome your thoughts on User_talk:Burkem#Undoing_the_damage. --BrownHairedGirl ^{(talk) • (contribs)} 09:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Choess, since it seems that you have some knowledge about the Normans, would please take a look at the two remaining articles on User:Burkem/review list, if you can perhaps verify them? Greetings ~~ Phoe _talk 07:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC) ~~

Heho, thanks for the notice and thanks for your work. ~~ Phoe _talk 18:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC) ~~

Did You Know?

On 5 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jersey Shore, Pine Creek and Buffalo Railway, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 17:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Reginald de Dunstanville, 1st Earl of Cornwall

Hi Choess, please could you take a quick look at User:Burkem/review list#Reginald_de_Dunstanville.2C_1st_Earl_of_Cornwall. Looks dodgy to me, but I lack expertise. Thanks! --BrownHairedGirl ^{(talk) • (contribs)} 20:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Baron Glastonbury

I can't clarify but it's very common for creation for life only for royal mistresses. See [6] and [7] but I have no means to verify. Alci12 10:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Peerage categories for deletion

Hi Choess, you may be interested that since there is a CFD to delete the Category:Female life peers as sexist, I have balanced the nomination by adding all the male-only categories of British peers. See CFD:Female life peers. --BrownHairedGirl ^{(talk) • (contribs)} 15:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

Thanks!
Thanks for your input on my (nearly recent) Request for adminship, which regretfully achived no consensus, with votes of 68/28/2. I am grateful for the input received, both positive and in opposition, and I'd like to thank you for your participation.
Georgewilliamherbert 06:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Baron Bolton

Thanks for explaining your involvement. I have no problem with what you have done, I did not initiate the article, I merely added to what I found there. Your solution is neat and sensible ( which is more than can be said for the reversion). And thanks for all the hard graft on the succession boxes.

Piperia yadonii

Thanks for your excellent and thorough analysis of this article Choess. I have endeavored to fix all items you mentioned with the exception of keeping "description" and "reproduction" sections" separate, which separation i think works well. I have also created the stub Piperia following your good suggestion. Let me know your thoughts. Regards. Anlace 16:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Pollepel Island

I've reviewed the article Pollepel Island which you nominated for Good Article. Unfortunately, I didn't feel that it meets the Good Article Criteria right now, and left comments on the article's talk page. Please feel free to review them and respond, and resubmit the article at a later date. Neil916 (Talk) 23:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Medieval cuisine up for peer review

Greetings and all that!

I'm working on getting the article up to FA-standards and your input would be much appreciated. Don't be shy now. Any and all comments (or criticisms) are beneficial.

Peter ^Isotalo 10:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Useful Maps - SUllivan County Railroads shown

Hi Choess, I found a nice page of historic PennDOT maps here. Their 1915 Sullivan County map shows the railroads from Lopez in Colley Township, with the one along Loyalsock Creek marked "Lumber Track" (presumably the Stony Brook Lumber Co. line) here. Unfortunately the 1912 Wyoming County map does not show railroads in the adjoining townships. Enjoy, Ruhrfisch 14:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

John Bridgeman

Ouch, it seems I have mixed the wrong persons. Thanks for unravelling. ~~ Phoe _talk 07:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC) ~~

Hey, me again ;-) Since you have established order among the Johns, perhaps do you know something about Edward Bridgeman, too? Greetings ~~ Phoe _talk 20:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC) ~~

Aye, thanks. ~~ Phoe _talk 22:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC) ~~

Baron Folliott

Many thanks for your help. I was getting mysrlf into a bit of a mess with the double ts and double fs. You have tidied up nicelyOrdyg 10:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Knight

As Proteus isn't about and you were the last edit on the above is it just me who feels the Knight of Glyn anmd others are v odd entries. They seem at best feudal titles in the way that Lord of the Manor was a title and not knighthoods. I'm struggling to find something that might amount to official recognition. Alci12 16:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I've read a few things in that line but couldn't get anything that might amount to a certain confimation of their status. The link you gives certainly takes about some such knights "continued to be recognised as knights until their tenure per servitium militare came to an end, in the time of Cromwell". I certainly don't think they are knights as we would understand them but does what little they claim really exist.Alci12 10:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Admiral Benbow

It would be nice to call it the Battle of Cartagena but nothing gives the action an official name. I’ve searched my bookshelf but to no avail. It’s an interesting article.

This is what Alfred Thayer Mahan says in The Influence of Sea Power upon History 1660-1783

[8]

Chapter V:

When the war broke out, in pursuance of the original policy, Sir George Rooke, with a fleet of fifty ships-of-the-line and transports carrying fourteen thousand troops, was sent against Cadiz, which was the great European centre of the Spanish-American trade; there came the specie and products of the West, and thence they were dispersed through Europe. It had been the purpose of William III, also to seize Cartagena, one of the principal centres of the same trade in the other hemisphere; and to that end, six months before his death, in September, 1701, he had despatched there a squadron under that traditional seaman of the olden time, Benbow. Benbow fell in with a French squadron sent to supply and strengthen the place, and brought it to action north of Cartagena; but though superior in force, the treason of several of his captains, who kept out of action, defeated his purpose, and after fighting till his ship was helpless and he himself had received a mortal wound, the French escaped and Cartagena was saved. Before his death Benbow received a letter from the French commodore to this effect: "Yesterday morning I had no hope but I should have supped in your cabin. As for those cowardly captains of yours, hang them up, for, by God! they deserve it." And hanged two of them were.

This has some good Info [[9]]

Sorry I couldn’t help but if I find something that does I’ll let you know. PS I’m no expert but thanks anyway ; ) Raymond Palmer 11:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Style Tips

No, I do appeciate your help ; particularly as I am not that good at consistency. I am keen to learn but like an old dog can only manage one new trick at a time. Many thanksOrdyg 15:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Chandos Leigh, 1st Baron Leigh

Choess, Sorry to bother you again so soon, but I do need your help. I have just completed this short article, granted a little short on facts, only to find that it has been tagged ( within minutes ) with a speedy deletion notice (on the grounds of lack of notability it seems). I had assumed that the WikiProjectPeerage intended that there would be articles on all persons in the project eventually. Apparently I should not remove the tag. Can you suggest what I should do, if anything. Thanks Ordyg 18:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, User Phoe has been quick on the ball and removed the tagOrdyg 19:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Beautiful barnstar. It looks great with what I'm wearing. Brings out the color of my eyes. :) Cheers, Durova^Charge! 22:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

White Deer Hole Creek

White Deer Hole Creek is in FAC and doing well here if you want to weigh in. As always, I would appreciate it if you could make sure I have not made any errors with your RR info (for which I thank you again, it got me started on a little more research and that got the article to this point). Take care, Ruhrfisch 20:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)\

	<font=3> Thanks again for your contributions - White Deer Hole Creek made featured article! Take care, Ruhrfisch 17:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

PRR line names

Would you be able to help with List of Pennsylvania Railroad lines east of Pittsburgh, specifically with the names of some lines that I have not found names for in any PRR publications:

• Main Lines - Philly to New York, Washington, and Pittsburgh, assuming these had names
• Perth Amboy and Woodbridge Branch
• Delair Bridge Line
• Pemberton Branch
• Toms River Branch
• Delaware Branch
• Delaware, Maryland and Virginia Branch
• Catonsville Branch
• Rosslyn Branch
• Northern Central Branch
• The Union Railroad's line to the Sparrow's Point Branch
• Frederick Branch
• Baltimore and Eastern Railroad
• Denton Branch west of Queen Anne
• Schuylkill Branch north of Pottsville
• Lykens Valley Branch
• Philadelphia and Erie Branch
• Wilkes-Barre Branch
• Shamokin Valley Branch
• Monongahela Branch
• Conemaugh Line
• Buffalo Line

Thank you. --NE2 16:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I guess what I'm looking for is a name that refers to that line only. For instance, Delaware, Maryland and Virginia Railway refers to the main line and its branches, despite the CT1000 only using that name. What I have listed above is the lines that the 1945 CT1000 does not label at all or labels with the name of the owning company or simply "main line". I have found names for some of these in employee timetables or track charts, and those are not in the above list. --NE2 09:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Style Tips

Many thanks - with your help I seem to be getting there -Ordyg 16:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Please write

Novodamus - Kittybrewster 04:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if this is a good moment to consider a number of articles that really overlap letters patent charter royal charter. A novodamus is certainly a charter and royal by it's nature Alci12 17:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Aumelas

Ha! I knew I should have checked that link to Omelas. It seems that Aumelas (without the diacritic) currently deserves our vote: see this page [10] which looks official; all other pages high on Google similarly spell it without the grave accent. I will rename my gentleman accordingly. Thanks! Andrew Dalby 17:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Glad to hear from you

Always a pleasure to hear from you, and thanks for the kind words on White Deer Hole Creek and checking the RR there. I think Lycoming Creek is next (as it the simplest one left with no major tributary - Loyalsock and Muncy each have their Little X Creeks and Pine Creek has four major tribs (including Little Pine Creek, I think I can get that and Babb Creek to FA someday too, if I live long enough ;-) ). I had not seen the Penn Pilot site, but it is very fun to play with. I found (the now vanished hanlet / village of) Alvira on it. I like Dhaluza's articles very much (and love the pictures from the glider) but am not sure I agree with his / her definition of the West Branch Susquehanna Valley (I think of it as the whole river valley, not just Clinton and Lycoming Counties). Must get to bed soon, so more later. Take care, Ruhrfisch 05:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)