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WOW

Another labour image that used to be on the IWW page but was replaced

You managed to impress even me and I already more or less knew about my pictures (for which you just made a category at Commons). I have a very old computer and am one step up, or perhaps sideways from having just dial up internet and have found Commons difficult to up load to over the years so don't do it much. I also was not very good at categories over there, I tried to start a "Sculpture in the United States" one once, also "Architectural sculpture" since those, as you may have noticed, are two loves of mine. Now imagine my surprise to come to your page and discover that you are involved in the Organized Labour (as the brits would say) Project. I am not quite sure how those pictures are catalogued at commons but if you go to the IWW article here I have several pictures in that article - one of which I found in Commons by searching for IWW but you probably did not find it because someone else's name was attached to it. I also have a few at the Ludlow massacre article (it is called something else) that work for a Labour project. A picture from there - maybe now replaced - was used in Howard Zinn's "History of American Empire" and I am very proud of that but have no one to brag about it to, so you get to hear about it. I think I have something on the Joe Hill page too. Sorry about the delay in getting back to you followed by this blathering outpour. Thanks for organizing my pictures (want to come over and organize the library I work in?) Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm surprised you're impressed by something that to me is just a simple housekeeping type of thing. :) I've lived with dialup-grade internet well into the 2000's so I know well how you feel about that. Commons is pretty easy to upload to, has a pretty simple upload wizard these days allowing you to even upload multiple at once, though the tough part can be knowing which categories to assign it to, often for me requiring guessing and digging through categories to see the lay of the land before submitting. I only recently started using the bulk categorization tools which really helped put together the "Carptrash files from wikipedia" category, some 300 images. There's one image I categorized but another editor reverted (them suggesting the category might imply authorship rather than just upload): File:Arrow heads.jpg. I did mistakenly miss categorizing the red card photo but apparently this is because two years back I had "simplified" the file's description without the word "wikipedia", a search term I relied on to find these. Indeed I did miss a Ludlow Monument image you uploaded: File:LudlowMassacreMonument.jpg. Did I miss any others? Photos (and article text) on Wikipedia et al certainly do have a tendency to percolate far and wide! Sometimes this makes it hard to find information that didn't, well, originate here. As far as organizing a library, between helping out at infoshops and putting old texts up on Wikisource, I think I have my hands full! No problem at all about the long reply, as you can see I'm more than happy to reciprocate. djr13 (talk) 18:48, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

After seeing a couple issues I ran into to miss those couple images, I did another run-through and found another dozen or so that I added in. You probably noticed that I reverted one you added to the category, wasn't sure if this was mistaken...I interpreted the category as being just for uploads that had been transferred over from here, as opposed to a more general, "files by" category. But hell, the category has your username in it, don't interpret the reversion as attempting to step on your toes. :-) djr13 (talk) 23:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I feel more as if I am standing on your shoulders than you treading on my toes, so do not worry. There are 4 pictures at the bottom of Ludlow Monument that are marked to be moved to commons, don't think that they have been. I had maybe a hundred or two images, mostly sculpture, removed as being copyright violation that I have since come to realize were NOT, but at time I was not a savvy about that stuff as I am now. The fight that I had about File:IndianIM.jpg was epic. Then after I won the fight someone replaced one of my pictures with one perhaps marginally better, but that's how wikipedia works. The Arrowheads picture is the cover of a book that was produced by the US Government, so is copyright free. I certainly intended to include that information somewhere. I had a picture of Utah Phillips that I found on some Czech website that I still wonder what that article was about. I do occasionally use pictures taken with my camera such as File:MichaelKin-Chicago1986.jpg - which includes me on the left. I do some category stuff on wikipedia, and am always in awe of editors such as yourself and others who seem to really get it, while I just flounder about. Still, as a self-proclaimed lie long learner figuring out how to upload and categorize stuff on Commons miight not be a bad next step. PS I am constantly amazed by my wife's simple housekeeping types of things, so . . . . . .............. Carptrash (talk) 01:39, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

William D. Robinson

I have restored the sourced statement that the BLE was the first union in the USA in 1863. There clearly were no unions in the US 100 years earlier, since the US did not exist 100 years earlier. Trade unions were illegal in most countries until the 1870s. Do you know of any US unions that predate this one? Aymatth2 (talk) 03:46, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

See also National Labor Union. Remember the context of the American Civil War (1861-1865), which spurred development of organized labor. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Obviously when I say a century earlier in the US I can not mean precisely 100 years. I mean as early as the century prior, 1794, which predates the BLE by 69 years, and even before steam locomotion was put to serious industrial use. The union which formed in 1794 was the Federal Society of Journeymen Cordwainers, which like other unions of the time were regarded as conspiracies against commercial interests. And even this was not the first union in the nascent United States, and certainly not in America. Unions, as opposed to guilds, arose in direct relation to the rise of wage labor over apprenticeship, a long and slow dynamic in the increase in the number of laborers to each master and the transfer of ownership of tools and control of production to these masters. The American Civil War certainly spurred this development, but it was nothing new.

(Besides, if any claim were to be made of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers being the first of anything, I would hope a much better source could be found for this than an ambiguous passing comment in a 2013 speech by Hoffa[1] with a broken link.[2]) djr13 (talk) 09:00, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

• It is not ambiguous. Hoffa says "As America’s earliest labor union...". I would say he knows something about the subject. There were earlier organizations, but the BLE seems to have been the first recognized union in the USA in the modern form. I will tweak the article to show this as a quote from Hoffa. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:07, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

This is a good way to mention the quote, thanks. Note that I had removed the claim on Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers itself as well. djr13 (talk) 13:40, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Re; Category revert

Oh sorry. I will revert any edits I made with it. Jackninja5 (talk) 09:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Re: OLMS

Thanks for the input! Also excuse me if this is the improper place to respond to you - obviously I'm new to Wikipedia (on the editing end at least) and still learning how to use it. Looking at the history tab on the NYC CLC article, I don't believe I ever edited the membership numbers for that organization. Nonetheless your citation template is much appreciated! Up until now what I've been doing is going to the SEIU article and just copy-pasting that citation (and modifying the file number, LM-2/3/4, etc). I'll be sure to use that template for next time, though!

Looking forward to editing with you in the future(: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Au166 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Love the OLMS citation template! - Tim1965 (talk) 16:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

POTUS

Just wonder, aren't POTUS pronounced as a normal word? e.g. an acronym? (Im not a native english speaker....) Christian75 (talk) 13:17, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Huh, I might be going at it wrong, but my interpretation was that initialisms are if they are composed of the initial letter of each word, and acronyms if they are from longer or different sources of components than only initial letters. I hadn't considered pronunciation, maybe I was too focused on text? :) Not sure which is more appropriate. Let me know if you figure it out, I may have several of my own edits to modify. djr13 (talk) 15:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Seeking help moving away from Wikipedia template:Line chart

Last year I added several dozen line charts to Wikipedia covering union membership and finances (based on available online government reports). However, the process of gathering the data (awful database) and reformatting it (clunky template) was so exhausting I gave up for a year. I'm now looking to update and to continue the effort.

Part of the problem is that I have to do a lot of manual processing of data in order to prepare it for the old template, so I have a directory full of spreadsheets on my computer, making all these graphs basically depend on me to maintain them.

TL;DR: I was using an old crusty graph template, Template:Line chart, and there is a new, improved wiki function to produce graphs via JSON data: mw:Extension:Graph. I'll need to completely rewrite them, and anything that could get me started is appreciated.

Limitations of the old template:

• Y-axis values over 1 million break into scientific notation. Avoiding this requires forcing values to be rounded and truncated during preparation.
• The template can't reflect more than 25 x-values (in this case years), and requires that they be uniformly spaced (no mid-year report or change in annual report date is recognized).
• Almost every aspect of spacing requires careful manual tweaking.
• The resulting wikicode is obscure and impervious to new editors, making it unlikely for anyone but me to know how to update the graphs.

Concerns:

• These are currently two different graphs per article based on two topics of the same reports. Membership and finances.
• I can't figure out how to code this, even using Template:GraphChart.
• How should I centralize formatting and data to make these maintainable?
• Will others be able to easily update the result? Replicate these to new articles?
• There's going to be a lot of charts.
• The charts need to fit legibly in a floating thumbnail size.

Nice to have:

• If it's remotely possible to make the two graphs align by year like they do now, despite Y-axis label lengths varying, that would be a plus. I fear this requires manual spacing though, or directly merging the graphs which could get messy.
• It would be immensely useful to be able to comment within source data, noting EG manual changes to data. I've found strange but obvious clerical errors in these reports.
• An option I haven't tried which might look good is an area graph for the membership graphs. Possible to toggle whether each series stacks or layers?
• It's pleasing having grid lines.

Examples:

• AFL–CIO#Membership: usual example (below two are the only exceptions so far)
• Screen Actors Guild#Composition: detailed membership by type
• Industrial Workers of the World#2000-present: membership by nationality (UK and global)
• Actors' Equity Association#History: bugs
• Pages that link to "Template:Line chart"

This is a big project and I bit off more than I could chew. Halp please. djr13 (talk) 08:39, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Djr13! You've been interested in redirect categorization and the This is a redirect template in the past, so I wanted to let you know that there is a discussion at Template talk:This is a redirect#One parameter that might interest you.  Good faith! Paine  20:45, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

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The changes you made to Template:Inflation today have caused a number of red error messages to appear in articles—see, for example, 1970 Bhola cyclone, Steve McQueen, Birmingham High School, and Star Wars. I unfortunately know so little about templates that (at least before finishing my morning cup of coffee) I can't spot what the problem is or tell whether it's the template or the articles that need fixing. Could you takes a look? Deor (talk) 13:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing and communicating about this, I've been working on it the past day. It's a very complicated template, and I probably should have used a sandbox! From the articles you linked, it looks like they're using an identification code for an inflation index that the template doesn't have, and this can either be fixed by changing every article's use of the template to make sure it uses the definitive identification code, or the template simply will need to interpret/alias/redirect to an appropriate one if any. But...I have no idea why the previous version worked, there appears to be no such aliases even before my changes. Sorry for the mess. djr13 (talk) 13:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind, I realized the problem. Redirects exist for the main template but didn't for a dependency, Template:Inflation-year. Most of these errors should go away now, but I'm sure there are others that I have intentionally/unintentionally exposed. djr13 (talk) 14:39, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Inflation data update

Arun Kumar Singh has asked me for advice about updating {{inflation/IN/dataset}}. I gave as good an answer as I could but I'm not sure that I got all the details right. Looking at the template history, it seems like you've got a better idea than I about its workings. I suggested he might ask you for help if need be. Yeah, this it revenge for your reverting me ... but seriously though he wants to bring it up to 2016 and I tried to do the same in 2014 but got reverted. Your summary seemed to indicate I should have updated {{inflation-fn}}. I had a go at that. I just wonder whether I've got it right this time and we're good to go and up date further. Jimp 14:47, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Huh, honestly I've forgotten precisely why I reverted you, and my edit summary wasn't very clear, sorry about that. Also as a minor point, in hindsight I should not have added the #default thing, there should not be a default for these, specifying a valid year is mandatory as otherwise the template returns false data.

As far as how to update the template, be sure to read the documentation of Template:Inflation and particularly the Developer documentation section. Basically, the two templates you need to edit going forward are Template:Inflation/IN/dataset and Template:Inflation-year. When updating it, it's important to look back at previous years, not just the current year, and make sure that your latest data is actually following the same numbers. It's possible that your source recalculates past inflation averages given new data, or perhaps they change the "base year" upon which the index data is measured from, or maybe you're using a different source with different data, or maybe this different source calculates a different model of inflation entirely.

Regarding your change to Template:Inflation-fn: if you can, make sure it's in a proper citation format rather than just a link, as that citation will be visible on any article which bothers to cite the source for the inflation data. Though most don't, and most misuse the inflation template to begin with. djr13 (talk) 16:25, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Glossary of Wobbly terms

I notice that you performed some significant work on Glossary of Wobbly terms back in November 2012 (diff). The article was recently nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glossary of Wobbly terms, which closed as no consensus. I have begun work to improve the sourcing of the article. Just a note in case you're interested in this matter, or interested in pitching-in to improve the article more. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:07, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Northamerica1000: I did notice the deletion nomination, after it was first "closed", and an editor said that they would merge the list into the general article about the organization, but then they seemed to only merge a short summary. They are right though that most or all of this list belongs on Wiktionary, which would be quite a project. djr13 (talk) 06:18, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

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