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Re: Question re: uploading a photo

That is my own photo, I shot that video. As far as the album covers go, it is possible to argue that they are of historical significance or that their is sufficient graphic notability in the style to render them fair use, but it's very possible they will fall to deletionist zealotry. I suggest justidious use of the Template:Non-free use rationale to justify any upload. Wwwhatsup (talk) 21:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm wanting to upload a few album covers, shrunk YEARS ago, as a part of the Cat Stevens fansite, for Alun Davies so it's shrunk, and I only want it for album covers. If I'm able to slip past the species Zealous Policious and get the photo in, can you help me get it in the infobox? I have only small problem getting photos in pages except the infoboxes baffle me. OH! Do you know of anyone in Wikialbums (or maybe YOU?) who can help to clean up this Discography of a really notable musician? Ron Holloway. I'm SCARED! LOL. --leahtwosaints (talk) 05:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Archiving

I set up an "Archive" section above for you and also your first archive page - click on the "1" to get to the page, go to the edit screen, copy in whatever material you want to archive from here below the headers, save, then delete it from here and you should be ok. See WP:ARCHIVE for details. Tvoz/talk 05:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

ANy problem with this? Tvoz/talk 05:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

←OK. You can archive as much or as little from this page as you want, whenever you want. If you want to retain the Welcome box here that's fine - and a good idea as it has a lot of good tips. So what you do is open a new window or tab and go to this talk page; click on the "1" in the archive box above which will give you that sub page; click on "edit this page" and you'll get an edit screen that shows you the top templates (stuff inside the {{ }} ). Come back to this window and click on "edit this page" here; you'll see the entire edit screen for this talk page. Highlight the material that you want to remove from here and move to the archive subpage, click on "cut", then go to the archive page's window and click on "paste" there, below the templates. Preview that page to be sure it's what you wanted, and then save it. Come back here and preview and make sure it's what you wanted here, and save that. Voila. It's easier to do than to explain. If you continue to have trouble, let me know and I could do it for you the first time, but you have to tell me exactly what you want there and what you want to remain here. But I think you'll be able to do it - you're moving material out of here and into that other page, but by cut-and-paste, not by dragging. Make sense? Tvoz/talk 08:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

OK- I'm archiving your talk for you this time to October 2008 - next time try to do it yourself. You can archive whatever you choose whenever you want. Just cut the stuff out of here and paste it into an archive page. Tvoz/talk 05:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Derek

Redirect is fixed - Derek Trucks Band redirects to The Derek Trucks Band. Tvoz/talk 05:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, you're a blessing! --leahtwosaints (talk) 08:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
My pleasure - that was an easy one! Tvoz/talk 05:52, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Georgiou→Stevens→Islam

Take it easy Leah. The only places I changed Stevens back to Georgiou were before he assumed the name Cat Stevens, as a child and young man - throughout the Stevens years he is referred to as Stevens, and then after he changed his name, as Yusuf Islam. That is accurate and really the only way we can do it. We could refer to him as Steven - not Stevens - in the early years section, as we did for a long time, but the truth is that was not correct encyclopedia style which is to refer to people by their last name unless the last name would be confusing, as "Islam" alone may be in some places, hence our calling him "Yusuf Islam" more frequently than "Islam" alone. There's no more reason to call him Stevens when talking about his childhood than there is to call him Islam then - and I think you agree that wouldn't make sense. So I think we have to leave the name as we have it - it is not confusing if one reads the article. As for the folk music thing - I agree, and took it out of the second infobox because a link to that article isn't needed there in any case, and singling out folk music alone doesn't make sense. Tvoz/talk 08:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Leah, but what you're saying makes no sense. This has nothing whatsoever to do with how people look for him. I am not suggesting that the name of the article be changed from Cat Stevens - indeed I fought hard to make sure that it remain Cat Stevens as the article name. All I am saying is that the text of the small section about his childhood not refer to him by a name he didn't have then. By your logic we could say "Yusuf Islam was the third child of..." or "Islam was sent to a Catholic school" which is just as incorrect. Especially since there are other potential name confusions in this article, we have to try to keep it all straight. Similarly, the Yusuf section refers to him as Yusuf Islam, not Cat Stevens - and that is correct for these unusual circumstances. As I said, this is not new: I've been editing this article for a long time and we had it as "Steven Georgiou" and "Steven" in that childhood section - not "Stevens" - for a very long time (before you started editing the article), but for clarity and encyclopedia style, however, I believe we should stick with last names wherever possible and that short section should refer to him by the name he had at that time. Again, your mention of how people "go looking for" him really has nothing to do with this at all - the article name is Cat Stevens, and there are redirects for Yusuf Islam, Steven Georgiou, and even Stephen Georgiou, although the "ph" spelling is not how his own website spells his original name. So anyone who comes to Wikipedia and types in any of those names will get directly to Cat Stevens. What we say in his childhood section is completely irrelevant to how anyone goes looking for him. So please leave it alone. As for how other articles handle this, it's not really relevant either because of the particular circumstances for this individual whose name changed twice, and I'm not sure I would support the way other articles handled it either - it would depend on the individual article. I and other editors worked to insure that the correct name is used each time it appears to avoid confusion as much as possible - and I often have to correct additions that new people put in that aren't following the style of the rest of this article - so let's please keep it straight. Tvoz/talk 05:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Gee Whiz, calm down. Did I revert it? No. It's a Talk page.. but it seemed to me, the more names, the more confusing. That's all I have to say on the matter. I'll leave it alone. Wow. You've been too often on those adversarial political talk pages or something.

About the Uncle Hugo thing, ah, yes, he's mentioned in the Gavle Sweden Wikipedia piece but it's not referenced there. I'll look around in the fansite for the article that is buried there someplace. If I can't find it, it's no big deal, IMO. About my talk page, I just wanna put all conversations into that little archive box, or whatever. If not, I guess I'll just blank the whole page. I just don't get it. --leahtwosaints (talk) 05:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

your question about edits

I don't understand what you're asking, about saving edits or what you mean about "Earliest" edits, so please clarify. As for edit conflicts where someone else is also editing, you are given two edit screens - you can see what they did on the bottom screen and then copy your edit into the top screen and preview it, then save it and both your edits the other person's will be there. As for photos, that's one area you'll have to ask someone else about - I understand how to do some of it, but not how to explain it, and I don't really understand where you're having a problem. There are lots of people here who live and breathe photos, so see if you can find them and they'll give you a much clearer answer than I can. Tvoz/talk 08:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Help

Unfortunately, I do not read Japanese. I would recommend User:Nihonjoe or User:Dekimasu in that regards. For images that have been released on Flickr, I am not an expert in that area, and I would recommend User:Giggy for that question. For the article in general, if you want help in that regard, you can post a message at WT:ANIME. Regards, — sephiroth bcr (converse) 04:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Assessments for wikiprojects

Hey Leah, in case you didn't know (you might), any editor can assess (or reassess) articles for wikiprojects. It doesn't have to be an administrator. Maybe you just wanted an outside opinion on Richie Havens though. (?) Aleta Sing 21:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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Notable instruments

Leah - as per my comment on talk a couple of days ago, I think we need to leave off the "notable instruments" section from the Cat Stevens infobox. There is only one source that says he bought a "Stevie Ray Vaughn Fender Telecaster" and he did that in 2007. We already have that in the text of the article, with the reference you repeated, and that's fine for the text. Questions have been repeatedly raised about whether that's the correct name for the guitar, but I for one couldn't care less about that - the source says it, and we go for verifiable sourcing, not our own research or knowledge. But - as for the infobox, and more importantly, I haven't seen any sources that say he is particularly known for playing this guitar (especially if he first got one in 2007), and that is what that field in the infobox is for. See Template: Infobox Musical artist#Notable instruments - unless there are other facts, and sources, indicating that he was known for playing it (not that the instrument itself is notable), we should not include it in the infobox. It's in the text - that's really enough. Tvoz/talk 02:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

On this one, I just disagree. It's too late at night for me to go into detail, but I will tomorrow. Honestly, I get the feeling that you consider this your article, rather than a ahared source of information. I didn't see you removing the "acoustic guitar" or "Baldwin" piano from the infobox. AND the reason you gave for removing this was that it didn't exist! There are PLENTY of instances in most articles that only require one reference, I may not have been at this as long as you have, buy I not ignorant. leahtwosaints (talk) 03:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

edit

Leah, I don't understand what you're trying to say here, particularly the end of the sentence. It's kind of awkwardly worded - I'd fix it but I'm not sure what you meant. Tvoz/talk 04:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I set about planning to make album and song pages for ones that are missing. With the albums, though, I couldn't figure out why I kept finding more and more different record covers of Stevens "Greatest Hits" sorts of albums than should have existed. Then, I read someplace, info that once Stevens began to be so successful with the introduction of Teaser and the Firecat, so close on the heels of Mona Bone Jakon, that Decca put out a double album of the first two of his albums together, even down to (accidentally?) naming a greatest hits album at that time with the same idea and name that Stevens himself unknowingly decided to do on a different compilation release. There's even more albums of hits- more, it seems, than the original list we had to work with. Apparently, it was partly b/c one *or more" of his labels AND he himself, decided to cash in on his biggest successes, whether for cash or charity. Confusing? I'm ill, will explain better tomorrow.leahtwosaints (talk) 10:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
OK, I think my latest edit covers what you were saying - see if you agree. As for Uncle Hugo, that was just a typo on my part - if you look at the source article you'll see. Tvoz/talk 19:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, I was feeling lazy when asking about Hugo's surname. I also found not to do too much editing when you haven't slept in two days! Argh! What do you propose we do with songs- I found a couple, like "Honeyman" written by Stevens, with him singing on it-- in this case, doing a duet with Elton John. and it isn't recorded on any of Stevens records, but IS with Elton, on one of his albums, circa 1971-2- there's a scanty reference to it in his fan site- downloadable, and it's on You Tube. Oh well. I'm sure I'll find more info about it. --leahtwosaints (talk) 00:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

flickr pix

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Great finds. Cheers. APK lives in Dupont and Gomorrah 17:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Blessings! Here's another, and I left a handful on Aleta's page the Monks of Doom, [1]

Thanks.. --leahtwosaints (talk) 00:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Flickr

Hello, I saw your query about Flickr and just thought I'd tell you the solution that I came up with for the tricky matter of Flickr pics. I first uploaded a photo from Flickr that I thought cleared all the copyright hurdles. Nevertheless, it was subsequently deleted from Commons. Subsequently, I've come up with two other solutions -- both of which I've used successfully. You can either email the creator of the work on Flickr (using Flickrmail, or whatever they call it). Ask them if you can have their permission to use their work. I've then had the creator email me a copy of the photo, which I've uploaded onto Wikimedia, as well as a 3.0 Sharealike license, which the creator fills out and you can post that to the pic file with the photo. The creator's email is listed on the form, and they are emailed to confirm their permission. The other alternative, which I've also used, is to have the creator upload their work to wikimedia Commons themselves, and then you can use it. (I didn't come up with this, but someone I asked on Flickr took the initiative to do this, and it worked out great). Anyways, I hope this is of some help. I got frustrated myself trying to use Flickr photos. I had much better luck with Geograph.org (a British photo web site). But these are good work-arounds for Flickr, I've found. Take care and good luck with it.MarmadukePercy (talk) 02:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Greetings MP,

I hear you! I think this time once again, I'll need APK's help. Then I'll try to be more creative. All of the photos I've placed on pages have been in the last 2-3 months and there weren't many occasions. And THAT was just practicing getting the hang of using those from Wikimedia! I always contact the photographer to be sure they ARE the photographer, that it's OK, the GFDL is right, and was lucky the first 2 times that the photographer uploaded their photos to the Commons- the ones from Derek Trucks, Susan Tedeschi, The Derek Trucks Band, Leo Kottke, etc. But these last two times, they are as baffked as I am, so hopefully, I can get some help here first, and then nose around as you suggested. Thanks for taking an interest in my shortcomings! --leahtwosaints (talk) 02:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Vickrey

OK - I reverted the redirect and made it a stub - but it's very short, so it is in danger of being returned to redirect, so you should get to it quickly. Just so you know - all you have to do when that happens is click on the link at the line "redirected from xxx " on the upper left and you get to the redirect page, and then you can edit it yourself to remove the redirect and add content. Cheers Tvoz/talk 00:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah - I fixed it, but you could have - it's just a normal edit - do "edit this page" and fix the mistake - easy! Tvoz/talk 00:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Are You the one?

Hiya. Nope - don't think it's me. What links are you talking about? What page? When? Cardinal Wurzel (talk) 20:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't really understand about these green spam links you're finding. Never come across one myself (unless you just mean the normal wiki-links, but I see those as blue), and I don't know how one could have got into a message of your own as you were writing it! Anyway, regarding pics, I've never used flickr so I'm not sure whether those pictures are usable. Ideally anything you upload should belong to you. Even the copyright holder allowing a picture's use isn't popular with the Wiki police - you have to release all rights completely. You can use copyright pics under certain circumstances, but it involves navigating Wiki's draconian fair use rules so it's usually not worth the bother. But actually uploading pics is fairly simple - you just click on "upload file" in the toolbox on the left hand side of the screen and go from there. There are all sorts of templates to fill in. I always just find a pic that's already on Wikipedia and then copy-and-paste all the templates and rationales so that they're up to scratch. Not an expert at this stuff by any means. And I've never edited Fallout Boy. Don't know anything about them. Good luck with it all! Cardinal Wurzel (talk) 23:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Use your virus check. Now. I'm afraid I picked up a virus, and that is where the green links to the same spam site came from. I got it from the Counting Crows main website- yet another band I was trying to develop here. God. Mine had expired. I downloaded a new McAfee complete package. I'm afraid it was me that was the danger.

I apologize. I'll explain Flickr later. It has a great connection to our own Wikipedia Commons. --leahtwosaints (talk) 02:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Flickr pictures

Replied to you here. SpinningSpark 00:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I LOVE YOU! I just got finished looking over the photos you placed. Thanks. Once I know where to find them in the Wikimedia Commons or as you can see, my talk page, I know how to add the photos. It's just the uploading, and classifying pics at Commons, and especially, finding them there, I'm lost. If there's ever any copy edit work, basic grunt work that you want help with, feel free to ask, I am really so happy to find photos especially for those who had no photo in their page yet-- makes me feel no progress is being made, so you were a godsend! :)

You know, I recently had photos uploaded of other musicians (the individuals from the Counting Crows- except still missing one of Jim Bogios, the drummer, whose "page" is only his name and a redirect back to the same band page! I just went through that with two others from there.. Problem: Counting Crows has two groups of photos in Commons, one from the band's

Wikimedia Commons has media related to Counting Crows.

has the photo of David Lindley that was also uploaded for me, but I don't know what to do about it. I sure wish I understood the way Commons works. But many, many thanks!--leahtwosaints (talk) 01:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't think you can have read my repy, so here it is again:
Sorry, you cannot upload any of those photographs either here on Wikipedia or on Commons. They are all marked as having a CC-BY-NC-SA licence, which means that they are not allowed to be used for commercial purposes. Wikipedia requires a licence which allows any purpose. SpinningSpark 00:46, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Replied. SpinningSpark 10:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I have now uploaded the following pictures to commons;
I have also uploaded separately cropped images of Butterfield and Danko, which I think you requested above;
Jealous Girlfriends I could not upload as Bob Sanderson has not changed the licence on that particular image and it is still showing non-commercial use only.
Let me know if there is anythign else I can help you with. SpinningSpark 15:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Steve

Actually, Yusuf

Also...... what I'd really like to see are some photos again of him as Cat and as Yusuf - have you had any luck tracking down any free use images that could be put up? That would actually be a valuable improvement to the article - more important that the nitpicking. Tvoz/talk 04:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I have seen some photos of Yusuf Islam on Flickr. Nearly every photo I find --and if you take a peek at my user page, I've picked up perhaps 3x what's listed there- maybe 30-40 photos now on Wikipedia and in all but three cases, I had to contact the "owner" of the photographer b/c I asked for advice on the "New Beginners" help page, and received even MORE restrictive advice from the only person to offer to help after one guy helped with 4 pics without explaining how to do it. The only Admin. I know at all doesn't know how either. When the owners don't know how to follow the directions on the Wikimedia Commons link on the bottom of every single Flickr page and upload them themselves. Gosh, it's SO easy if you're the owner, or if you are uploading something like a record album cover, which is easy to do if it isn't yours- just depends on who the zealous person is who decides they want to pull it down. Ever notice how the album and song covers from 2006 stay up but after that, forget it?) But yeah, if you got the time, to set up a yahoo account, and click Flickr, you can then look for good Yusuf photos (all the Cat Stevens ones I find are copyrighted long ago) you just need to write someone, ask for them to adorn our page, and tell them they can set limits as to people being only able to use them here, and use their name ("attribution") and ask if they're willing. The one guy I did write for permission was vague, "Well, Yusuf and I haven't run into each other since we had dinner in 2004..." and then he kind of felt me out to see if I could offer him a job. He was apparently the man who edited the cover of one of the Greatest Hits albums of his from 2000- Bill DeYoung. When I told him I was a volunteer worker, I quit hearing from him, but if you trust me with an email account, or want to email me at leah2saints@yahoo.com I think you'd like the info that was on the thing he did write up. Lots of info- he left a link. Most artists or music companies are willing to give permission for promotional reasons for really old photos. I saw one like that on Mick Taylor's page of him with Keith Richards. The Counting Crows band page in the infobox is like that. I was thinking maybe if we write to Deram Records, they might give permission for some early "Cat" photos, since he doesn't really sell their albums. [Shrug]. I'm gonna ask a Sheik, Yusuf Estes, who lives in Virginia, in riding distance from me if I get desperate, but the thing is that conservative Muslims like both "Yusufs" believe that even having photos puts a person in danger of worshipping the human (even your kid) for some reason: respect, or rock star stuff, or who knows? so they aren't too keen depending on how strict they are. And Estes is really serious.. if he saw me not wearing a hijab, even with his wife there, he'd get his wife to lend give me one of hers! We've only corresponded over Islamic questions I've had -but not seen one another yet! Ah well, maybe if we write one per day, we can knock it out. Feel free to blank out this long missive if you want.. I'm rambling today, wow. --leahtwosaints (talk) 20:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Authors

Have you read Faith Hunter? Aleta Sing 21:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

No, not yet. Does she write in the same genre as most of my other favorites?? (Tanya Huff really did blow my mind to find that A- my favorite writers tend to be female.. and that now, I see they tend to be gay!) I wonder if this is why I always am rooting for the characters like Xena, or currently on NCIS on CBS TV- played by Cote de Pablo, since she's such a cool headed bad-ass assassin, as well as being droolingly watchable? :) The last woman who lived (under my poor father's roof) with me finally said, "I give up with saying I'm "Bi". When I fantasize, it's always about a woman! I must be gay." I responded, "I don't really fantasize, but I can sure plug into other peoples!"- --leahtwosaints (talk) 22:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Under that name she does write fantasy. She has a post-apocalyptic trilogy out that I think you might like seeing some of your other favorite authors. The first on is called Bloodring. (Under her other name of Gwen Hunter, she has thrillers/mysteries. I havn't read all the folks you mentioned, but I love Tanya Huff and MZBradley (well, what I've read of hers, mainly the Avalon books). Aleta Sing 22:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Leah

I'll take care of them for you and let you know - unless you really, really want to know yourself. If so, let me know and I'll go into more detail for you. If you just want the photos uploaded, I will go ahead and do it. Nice sleuthing! Thank you for your work in improving this place. --David Shankbone 05:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes!! You are an Angel. Hopefully, you read something of me on my user page to know that I'm really a newbie to computers, (although I am not new to academia). It's Wikimedia Commons that is a maze to me, so please, someone would have to look over my shoulder to do this anyway, with me being essentially a newbie. BY THE WAY, The same person who is offering the photos of Tal Wilkenfeld and her trio, has a professional site, and I am psyched-- has photos there of Tal touring with Jeff Beck, which he's also offering for our perusal. I always contact the photographers even if I find photos that are already CC-BY-SA out of courtesy. Here's the site: you can decide if we need any more of him or his trio: http://www.pixels-bandwidth.com/images/jeff_beck_palais/
He is really kind. SO ARE YOU. (((David)))← ← those are arms around you- hugs. Hey, I'm waiting to hear about a couple more photos needed, of Cat Stevens and Zain Bhikha, among others. If this goes well, can I contact you for them? (I know, I'm greedy!) Please, do leave me a link if/when you get Tal Wilkenfeld's photos uploaded! Thank you once more. --leahtwosaints (talk) 15:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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