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Langley Hall

(I'm completely new to this and don't understand the conventions - apologies if necessary) I'm researching Langley Hall for publication for Sally Eaton and Jane Sculpher, soon going to print. I would like to know where I may find your 15thC records and John Hubert - I only know of Sir Richard Hubert (died 1679) and father of same name. Have not come across any other reference to Huberts at Langley Hall apart from papers deposited at Bucks Record Office and have not made this public yet so would be very interested in earlier generations of the family at this house - preferably before completing and publishing! Am also intrigued by your obvious close interest in the house and the new school. Gautreyj (talk) 20:53, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello. First of all, no need to apologize. You are handling Wikipedia better than many do. Sadly, I have to disappoint you. I am the editor who added the tags criticizing the section on Langley Hall, most of which was written anonymously.

If you look on the talk page for Langley, Berkshire, you will see that I have commented on the poor coverage of Langley Hall, which was originally confused with Langley Park. I was born in Langley and when I first came to the article, I found it in a poor state. I tried to improve it, but was overtaken by the new information about Langley Hall. As a result, I have started a page on the school, which you have perhaps already found.

You may be able to help me by publishing something which I could quote as a source. I have no idea where the material about Sir John Hubert came from. I left a message on a talk page for the IP address of the writer, but have had no response. LynwoodF (talk) 00:04, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello LynwoodF, sorry I haven't revisited this for so long - well, I did try to but forgot what the route was and gave up till now. Am very disappointed you weren't the original writer but pleased you took issue with the article. Now even more mystified re the Hubert sources, even though the reference was fragmentary and wrong - no smoke without at least a little tiny fire, in my research experience. There are no plans to digitise the Langley Hall history, the school being more interested in selling copies to cover costs, but it should be published within a couple of months. I suppose I just have to give up on finding the original poster if he/she has not replied to you - just hope I don't find the 15thC information after going to print! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gautreyj (talk • contribs) 13:48, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello again, Gautreyj. I am glad you found my message. I was afraid you had got lost in the maze of Wikipedia, which can be daunting. When your history is published, I should like to buy a copy. Perhaps you would like to let me know when it becomes available. You could email me by clicking on "Toolbox", then "Email this user". I could then reply, letting you know who I really am. It is customary to remain semi-anonymous on these talk pages, which are public.

I am not hopeful of ever contacting the author of the Hubert material. It was written by a first-time contributor, who does not seem to have read the rules. It was rather badly written - I tidied up the English and moved a sentence which seemed to be in the wrong place. Given that no sources are quoted, I shall eventually remove it all, but I like to give people a chance to react.

Best wishes for the success of your project. LynwoodF (talk) 15:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm - clicked on toolbox as you suggested but can't see 'email this user'. Certainly I can let you know when the work is available. I wouldn't be bothered about the original contributor except for the strange fact that he/she knows about the Hubert connection with Langley Hall which has not appeared anywhere else as far as I know, and which I thought was my original discovery after a lot of archival detective work. Much earlier documentation is also claimed. My first thought was that someone I had spoken to had put out the information, but that's probably just paranoid ... do you know when the article was first posted? Gautreyj (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello again. First things first. The material about the Huberts and the school was added to the article on 6 November 2011 by somebody markedly less literate than you. Whoever it was appears to have done some new research – the parliamentary document intrigued me – but it is a heinous WP crime to publish new research. People are supposed to point readers to published sources, where they can read more deeply.

Looking at "My preferences", I am reminded that I had to enable the email options, which is something of a rigmarole. If necessary, I can be contacted at:

hogsmill.145@zoho.com

The Hogsmill is the river which runs into the Thames in central Kingston and its claim to fame is that Millais painted the background for Ophelia on its banks at Old Malden.

Best wishes. LynwoodF (talk) 10:22, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Langley Hall (continued)

Thank you LynwoodF, particularly for the November date, which makes it very likely that someone had heard about my work (it's not a secret) and decided to use it, but it's curiously inaccurate: not John Hubart but Richard (father and son), not a 'fine during the Reformation' but levied by Parliament for supporting Royalists during Civil War - and the name being Norman is probably nonsense and of no interest anyway. It's a sort of skewed view of what I've been saying, plus wrong interpretation of facts which are in the public domain. I should just forget about it really but it's still niggling, in case someone does know of earlier documents than I have found ...

I suppose the writer can't be challenged to justify or remove the article? (Don't really know how wiki works)

I know the Hogsmill well - was brought up in Ewell, and Kingston was our big town. Gautreyj (talk) 21:55, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's a small world! Few people outside this area have heard of the Hogsmill, but you lived where it rises.

It struck me right at the start that the story about the fine sounded more 17th century than 16th. Given that you know of a father and son too, I think it is reasonable to assume that the unsourced material is suspect. I have already challenged it, but have received no reply and I think it is time to carry out my threat to take it down. I shall reword the section to make it read sensibly.

As a linguist, I can tell you that the name Hubert is indeed Anglo-Norman, as is Gautrey, although both are ultimately Germanic in origin. However, the origin of a surname is probably irrelevant to the ownership of a property about half a millennium after the Norman Conquest!

Note: There are a lot of names of Germanic origin in French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese. It all stems from the 5th c. migrations.

LynwoodF (talk) 12:34, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello again Frank, I think I would like the suspect parts of the Langley Hall article taken down because they are simply wrong - and I wonder if that might flush out the author?

Yes, as to Gautrey (my maiden name) we always thought it was French Huguenot but has actually been shown to derive from Galtree/Gawtree forest in Yorkshire, via one of that name who migrated to the fens, perhaps to work on 17thC drainage but they certainly spent the next several centuries not ever moving anywhere else. An unbroken record back to 1690s shows little enterprise being shown in Cambridgeshire. Though of course the name of the Yorkshire forest could well have been Norman French.

Hubert is a variant of the more usual Hobart, both being used by this Langley family. Lots of them in Norfolk and Kent but I can't trace this family to any earlier origins. Gautreyj (talk) 15:13, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello yet again. I have taken down the offending material about the Hall. However, I have left the paragraph about the school for the time being, but I shall reduce it drastically if and when I publish the draft article.

Thank you for the information about the names. Yes, apparently Hubert and Hobart are essentially the same name. In Norfolk Hubert would be pronounced Hoobert, which is more or less how Hobart would be pronounced in some parts of the country. LynwoodF (talk) 17:46, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Where have I been?

If there is anyone out there watching me (I cannot tell from the stats), perhaps you are wondering why I have made no progress lately with the projects I have in hand. Well, I have not been too well this winter and I have not had the energy to do the research necessary to sort out some of the problems I have hit. With a bit of luck, we shall have a pleasant spring and I shall feel a little better and be able to get on with things again. LynwoodF (talk) 12:17, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my user page. - Dravecky (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure. I dislike that kind of thing. - LynwoodF (talk) 20:57, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Spacing

You can't add space to adjust an article it just creates huge unnecessary space. [1] Having a wide screen is not a reason to do this; consider the fact that different people will be reading articles on different screens.Curb Chain (talk) 12:00, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't too happy with that myself – it doesn't work on the widest screen setting – and I had hoped that someone would come up with something better. I shall try a different idea. Take a look at it and if you don't like it, please undo it. I am watching that page. LynwoodF (talk) 19:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks that's better. Hey, I've started a discussion about white space here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Discussion. I've notified Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout#Discussion on parent page. Just for reference, The last sentence of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Headings and sections says: "Between sections (and paragraphs), there should be a single blank line; multiple blank lines in the edit window create too much white space in the article.".Curb Chain (talk) 23:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

When I first came to WP, I was using a very narrow screen, and when I saw it on a wide screen, I was horrified by the acres of white space many articles produce, so I now use an intermediate width. However, I find it difficult to format anything so that it looks right on any screen. The problem of overlapping on Voorpost came as a surprise. There seems to be a minor technical problem with the References section, but I think the real problem is the paucity of the text. There is too little to flow round the pictures. Unfortunately, I have nothing to add, as I am not an expert on this particular organization. By the way, thank you for the links. LynwoodF (talk) 13:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

No article is perfect. Do you understand that BECAUSE people have different browsers that using arbitray formatting such as spaces and hidden comment is pointless, with all due respect?Curb Chain (talk) 17:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you. LynwoodF (talk) 18:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for giving your thought and imput. Hope we can collaborate again in the future. Best regards, Curb Chain.Curb Chain (talk) 23:45, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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