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Amos Arthur Heller

Thanks for the correction you posted on my talk page. I will go back and ensure I've corrected anything I've edited. Sorry about the mistake. I should have ensured my notes were in two separate files rather than researching both women at once. Thanks again for correcting me, much appreciated.--Ambrosia10 (talk) 21:13, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Drosera burmannii

Hi! Thanks for providing more details on the Paul Hermann description at Drosera burmannii (diff). What source are you using that includes this information? I didn't dig very deep but didn't find a good overview of the publication history for this species when I wrote that short paragraph a while ago. I also looked through Musaeum Zeylanicum after your first edit - I thought that perhaps you were referring to that publication - and found only one mention of a ros solis ... though without more info I'm not sure what we'd be looking for in there: p. 18. Cheers, Rkitko ^(talk) 03:18, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Melica teneriffae

Question: Where in the world did it say in my reference that its endemic to Canary Islands? Under distribution it mentions Africa and Macaronesia--Mishae (talk) 21:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

So I wrote the article on a synonym? Should Wikipedia keep it? Another question, how should I rank the article; as a Start or as C?--Mishae (talk) 22:29, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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Dates of death

I see that you added some dates of death to the various lists of botanists by author abbreviation. It's especially important that all biographical material is properly sourced. The only source given globally for the information in these lists is IPNI. I didn't check all your additions, but for "F.L.Martin", for example, IPNI still only has the date of birth. So the date of death is now not referenced.

Can you please add references for all dates not (yet) in IPNI? Otherwise they should be removed. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:27, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Edit to List of botanists by author abbreviation

Hi, you added a death date for A.C.H.Blinks = Anne Catherine Hof Blinks with just the "reference" <ref>California death records index</ref>. To support such an important piece of biographical information, we need a fuller reference – at least a URL if it's online, or reference to a published source if not. Can you supply this? At present I've left your addition as an HTML comment. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:23, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Whoops, when I checked IPNI, it turns out that both the people for whom you added references (one of which I expanded) were now there with the full details, so the extra refs weren't needed. A reminder to us both to check IPNI first! Peter coxhead (talk) 06:30, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Problems caused by your edits

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Also note that it should be an n-dash between two years, not a hyphen. Copy and paste one from another line if you don't know how to produce one.

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Melaleuca wilsonii and Charles/T.B. Wilson

Hello Nomen ambiguum,

Thank you for your edit to Melaleuca wilsonii. You are perfectly correct! I was surprised to see in the Australian National Botanic Gardens (reference [5]) that Wilson's initials were given as T.B. when Mueller had written "Caroli Wilson". I went with the ANBG. Big mistake! I wonder if the bit about "a 19th century traveller" is also wrong? Brophy et. al. has "Charles" and "friend". I will delete "19th century traveller". (Thanks for your pick-up on my careless date error on Melaleuca blaeriifolia too.)

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Leopold Dippel

@Nomen ambiguum: Hello. Thank you for the copyedit and name additions you made. Your reference is not very clear, and I cannot find it from some quick googling. If you could please link to the information on familysearch so that it is verifiable. Thank you.SanctuaryX (talk) 05:26, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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Eremophila christopheri and Giles

Hello again Nomen ambiguum,

That's twice you've picked up my boo-boos. Chinnock wrote "After Christopher Giles, an acquaintance of Ernest Giles, who first collected the species." I thought that was ambiguous and so I wrote " Christopher Giles who was a friend of the collector Ernest Giles. Ernest Giles was an Australian explorer and the collector of the type specimen". I should have read Mueller's description more carefully.

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Solidier's Home

I reverted your edits to several Expo line station articles regarding the station name and 'Soldier's Home' as a previous name. Because the reference you provided is offline, it's not possible to review. Other references which are online contradict your information. Note that Soldier's Home station is still standing and is located at the Veteran's hospital in Westwood. See: Streetcar Depot, West Los Angeles. There were tracks from Sepulveda/Expo to that location. This is well-sourced. Lexlex (talk) 00:25, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

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Bartramia

Hello Nomen ambiguum,

Thanks for your edit to Bartramia. The reference you added predates the one I used for the original description. Do you think that yours is therefore the first formal description of the genus? AusMoss[1] gives the date 1801 - should it be 1797? (Hoping you know more about taxonomy than I do....) Gderrin (talk) 01:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation - I had no idea there was a "starting date". All the best to you. Gderrin (talk) 08:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

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Käthe Hoffmann

Thanks for the edits to Käthe Hoffmann. I had found the Hathi Trust's version of Monographie der Gattung Daphniphyllum, but I can't see the text; it's not available when accessed from outside the US. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Am 25. Juni 1893 wurde ich, Käthe Rosenthal, Preußin, jüdischer Religion, als Tochter des Gemeinderabbiners Dr. phil. Ferdinand Rosenthal und seiner Ehefrau Amalie geb. Kaufmann zu Breslau geboren. Hier besuchte ich die Hönigersche Privatschule, die Viktoriaschule und die dieser angegliederte Realgymnasiale Studienanstalt, an der ich mir das Reifezeugnis erwarb. Von Ostern 1912 an studierte ich in Breslau Naturwissenschaften. Außerdem beschäftigte ich mich mit Philosophie. Vorlesungen und Übungen besuchte ich bei folgenden Herren Professoren und Dozenten:

Baumgartner, Biltz, v. Braun, Ehrlich, Outtmann, Hönigswald, Kükenthal, Lingelsheim, Lämmer, F. Pax, F. A. Pax, Rosen, Stern, Stock, Winkler.

Seit 1. Oktober 1915 bin ich Assistentin am Kgl. Botanischen Garten und Museum zu Breslau.

Meinem hochverehrten Lehrer, Herrn Geh. Reg.-Rat Prof. Dr. Pax, sei auch an dieser Stelle für die vielseitige Förderung meiner Arbeit und das mir stets entgegengebrachte Wohlwollen und Interesse mein wärmster Dank ausgesprochen. Auch Herrn Prof. Dr. H. Winkler und Herrn Dozenten Dr. A. Lingelsheim sei für mannigfache Anregungen während meiner Studienzeit, Frl. Käthe Hoffmann für wertvolle Ratschläge bei meiner Arbeit herzlich gedankt.

Nomen ambiguum (talk) 13:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

There may have been two Käthe Hoffmanns active in Wroclaw scientific circles at the same time, leading to confusion over biographic details.

Jahres-Bericht der Schlesischen Gesellschaft für Vaterländische Cultur.

Verzeichnis sämtlicher Mitglieder der Schlesischen Gesellschaft für vaterländische Cultur.

Abgeschlossen am 30. Juni 1929.

Die Kursivziffern hinter den Namen der wirklichen Mitglieder bezeichnen die Sektionen ( 1. die medizinische, 2. die hygienische, 3. die Sektion für Zahnheilkunde, 4. die naturwissenschaftliche, 5. die chemische (Chemische Gesellschaft zu Breslau), 6. die Schlesische Gesellschaft für Vererbungsforschung, 7. die biologische, 8. die zoologisch-botanische, 9. die Sektion für Gartenbau und Gartenkunst, 10. die Sektion für Geologie, Bergbau und Hüttenkunde, 11. die Sektion für Erdkunde, 12. die technische, 13, die mathematische, 14. die philosophisch-psychologische, 15. die katholisch-theologische, 16. die evangelischtheologische, 17. die historische, 18. die rechts- und staatswissenschaftliche 19. die orientalisch-sprachwissenschaftliche, 20. die philologisch-archäologische 21. die Sektion für neuere Philologie, 22. die Sektion für Kunst, Musik und Literatur), denen die betreffenden Mitglieder beigetreten sind. Die beigefügten Jahreszahlen bezeichnen das Jahr des Eintritts in die Gesellschaft.

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404. Frl. Hoffmann, Käthe, Mittelschullehrerin , 8. 1923, Monhauptstr. 22.

405. — Hoffmann, Käthe, Dr., Studienassessorin , 4. 10. 11. 13. 1928, Clausewitzstr. 8.

Could the first of these two be the individual with the same name and (former) occupation, a member of the Deutsche Botanische Gesellschaft, who died in Berlin-Lichtenrade, 30 December 1960.

Nomen ambiguum (talk) 14:25, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the text I couldn't access. I find it somewhat puzzling that Rosenthal refers to Käthe Hoffmann only as "Frl." when the others get academic titles. 1916 is before the year in which Hoffmann is treated as a full coauthor by Pax, so could she not have had a Ph.D. then? And hence only a junior post then? I haven't seen a date for Hoffmann getting a doctorate. Or, really confusingly, could Rosenthal have been referring to the other Käthe Hoffmann you've found? I thought it was becoming clearer, but perhaps not. Peter coxhead (talk) 21:34, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

The retired high school teacher is listed as Frau Käthe Hoffmann in her death notice. Deutsche Botanische Gesellschaft. Sitzung vom 27 Dezember 1946

Als neue Mitglieder werder werden vorgeschlägen:

Hoffmann, Käthe, in Berlin-Lichtenrade, Kirchbachstr. 17 (durch R. Pilger und H. Melchior)

Sitzung vom 24. Februar 1961

Der Vorsitzende eröffner die Sitzung mit der Bekanntgabe des Todes der Mitglieder

Frau Käthe Hoffmann

Mittelschullehrerin a.D., Berlin-Lichtenrade, am 30. Dezember 1960.

Nomen ambiguum (talk) 22:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. So still confusing! Peter coxhead (talk) 08:09, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Masclef

It's not clear to me from looking at it how the reference you added to the entry for the botanical abbreviation "Masclef" supports a different date of death. Can you please expand reference with an explanation? Peter coxhead (talk) 15:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't see any reputable source for the claim of 1901! (PeoplePill??) The Amédée Masclef whose death is recorded on the Paris Archives site was born at Béthune on August 9, 1858. This agrees with the date and place of birth given by J.R. Wattez. ('C.-J. Dovergne, pionnier des observations botaniques dans le Departement du Pas-de-Calais.' in Bulletin de la Société de botanique du nord de la France, 63 (2-4)43-48. (on page 47).) According to the death record, he is survived by a widow, Leonie Marie Adele Mekarski. 'The Naturalists' Directory' for 1905 gives an address for Masclef in Champlan, and the 1901 Census on the Essonne Archives site shows that she is indeed his wife, and also gives Masclef's occupation as "conservateur des collections botaniques de la faculte des sciences de Paris. myheritage.com provided clues pointing to the death record. If I were a paid member, it would probably given me the exact date and arrondissement. Nomen ambiguum (talk) 19:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

I see that IPNI has now been updated for Masclef, so no other reference is now needed. (Actually I doubt he's worth including in the list because only one name is attributed to him.) Peter coxhead (talk) 08:17, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

The article says he was an abbé and he's been put in Category:French Roman Catholic priests, which isn't consistent with his having a wife. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I suspect his position at the Petit séminaire d'Arras may have required him to be a member of the clergy, which would no longer have been necessary at the Sorbonne. Wattez writes "Par la suite, rendu à l'état laïque, il intégra le laboratoire de Botanique de G. BONNIER et il serait devenu conservateur des collections de Botanique à la Sorbonne." Nomen ambiguum (talk) 12:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm surprised IPNI made the changes so quickly.

@Nomen ambiguum: "I'm not certain that he was responsible for the illustrations and have yet to find a reliable source saying so." Have you found any such sources? Paul venter (talk) 10:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

I had wondered, but don't know of any such source.

Another work by Masclef is Histoire naturelle cynégétique de France et des pays limitrophes ... Gibier & sauvagine, animaux auxiliaires de la chasse, ennemis du gibier .. Masclef was also co-founder, with Martial Martin-Dreys, of the Saint-Hubert Club de France in 1902 and was its secrétaire général through at least 1908. Nomen ambiguum (talk) 17:16, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

List of plant genus names (Q–Z)

If this works for you, I'm going to change the criteria for this list from "appears in Stearn" to "appears in Stearn and Stearn gives a derivation". Increasingly, as I move towards the end of the alphabet, my sources are giving up and not offering an opinion. That's lowering the quality of the list. - Dank (push to talk) 15:32, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Feel free to revert, discuss, whatever you like. I'm listening. - Dank (push to talk) 00:23, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

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More genus lists?

There are almost 14k accepted genus names at POWO, and I'm interested in doing more lists ... so if you want to keep an eye on new genus lists that show up at WP:FLC, or keep an eye on my contributions, your input would be welcome, particularly for genera named in honor of people. - Dank (push to talk) 17:05, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Reynoutria

While I'm here ... I'm not arguing, but I can't find anything anywhere to back up this. Do you have a reference? - Dank (push to talk) 02:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

The best I can find is nl:Karel_van_Sint-Omaars, which mentions Lobel (as does Stearn). - Dank (push to talk) 02:38, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

"Naar zekeren Heer van Reynoütre, waar van Lobel getuigt, dat dezelve aan de Kruidkunde zeer veél dienst gedaan heeft ; zo als ik bevoorens heb gemeld." https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/42620999 https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/abs/10.3366/anh.1997.24.3.423?journalCode=anh https://fleursauvageyonne.github.io/flsv/blanc/reynoutria.htm His name in French was Charles de Saint-Omer, seigneur de Reynoutre. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karel_van_Sint-Omaars Nomen ambiguum (talk) 06:21, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Anna B. Nickels

I added the bit about the land purchase in Victoria Township, but I can't find any sources for the info about her second husband. Is it from a genealogy site somewhere? I have to admit I'm not above using some random internet family tree to add some fairly unimportant detail for a family member, but I haven't found anything with his death date in it.Brianyoumans (talk) 18:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

There is information under the title "HISTORIA DE PETER NICKLES y sus Descendientes en Cadereyta" in several parts on Facebook. (one portion is at https://es-la.facebook.com/112988208808229/posts/631106390329739/) His death is also reported on "MARKSVILLE BULLETIN NEWSPAPER Jan. 4, 1879---July 9, 1887 Obits" (http://louisianalineage.com/Bulletin1879to1887obits.htm). Anna's death and cemetery records, and her obituary in the Corpus Christi Caller and Daily Herald give her name as 'Nichols.' The obituary also refers top her son as her brother, and her daughter as her grand-daughter. ('MRS. A. B. NICHOLS DEAD', on both Chronicling America and Newspapers.com) Nomen ambiguum (talk) 19:47, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll look at those. I noticed the discrepancies in the obituary. And on her gravestone, which you can find at Findagrave. She was listed under "Nichols" there and I sent a suggestion to correct it to "Nickels"; it turned out that the guy responsible for the listing is the head of the Corpus Christi Historical Society and he did some research and added a bunch of stuff to her listing, including the obituary. Brianyoumans (talk) 22:38, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Just found a new source for namesakes for genera

... here. It's in German, but there's an introduction in English. My German is sufficient but not great. I'm impressed so far ... what do you think? I'll ask at WT:PLANTS as well. - Dank (push to talk) 20:15, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I contributed to that work, and have continued my research further after it went to press. Nomen ambiguum (talk) 02:00, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Excellent. I'm working in my Sandbox/8 and moving material from time to time to User:Dank/B, and that will get moved into article space soon. Feel free to do as much or as little as you like. - Dank (push to talk) 03:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

List of plant genera named for people (A–C)

Hi! Glad you're back at work on these lists. The problem is ... you just broke the link ... there's no page named es:Víctor Manuel Badillo Francier on the Spanish Wikipedia, so readers won't be able to find the page. I think we're probably stuck with the names assigned by Wikipedians, here and elsewhere (but this can be debated). - Dank (push to talk) 14:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I kept "Francier" but repaired the link (so now clicking on "es" takes a reader to the right page). - Dank (push to talk) 13:50, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Fantastic work, thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 15:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

On the (D–I)‎‎ page, your edit summary implied I might want to edit ... but one of the criteria at WP:FLC is that the nominated pages should be "stable", and different people interpret that differently ... to be safe, I'd rather not edit it at all (in response to other people's edits, anyway) until it's gone through FLC. - Dank (push to talk) 02:38, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Excellent work, btw ... I had seen some of those things but didn't have sources to nail them down. - Dank (push to talk) 03:08, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Make sure to keep a list of sources somewhere ... you might have to produce them at any time, per Wikipedian content policy. I don't have a position on when you should add them ... that's your call. - Dank (push to talk) 15:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

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