User talk:PARAKANYAA

Cuers massacre

Hi Parakanyaa, you might now want to make the article read more on the massacre and not the WP:BIO1E. Happy editing, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:36, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Was busy but I will do that now! Sorry for the delay! PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Néo-Phare

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Abuse of Speedy deletion/Support of Mass surveillance

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hi PARAKANYAA, you recently flagged a page I created about an intelligence community vendor as “not notable”. I find this shocking since the company in question provides technology that intercepts universal communications and is involved in mass surveillance spying. Either you don’t understand that this is a mass surveillance company or you support and are trying to hide the existence of these mass surveillance companies it seems. I have contested the speedy deletion and I welcome your perspective on why the public shouldn’t have greater awareness of mass surveillance companies especially given their extreme controversy and public interest.

Pacificgov (talk) 00:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Pacificgov Notability for companies is not based off of their perceived importance, but coverage in secondary sources. The article has no coverage in secondary sources. It also seems AI-ish. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay well if you think an NSA vendor is not important then I guess we know why the world is the way it is with the lack of public information due to censors and administrators like on here at Wikipedia that determine the agenda and narrative of what’s covered and not the community.

Pacificgov (talk) 01:20, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Pacificgov If I wrote what I myself thought was important and true it would be very different from what sources dictate. What we write here is not based off of my own opinion, it is based off of secondary sourcing PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

You’re the one who sponsored it for immediate deletion to bypass community opinion. There are several secondary sources about S32. Pacificgov (talk) 01:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Pacificgov Pages that do not credibly indicate importance are supposed to be speedied. It did not credibly indicate its importance through sourcing. Then add them to the page, if they are actually secondary. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok, for everyone's sake I will remove the speedy deletion and take it to AfD. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Draft : Awni Mutee

hello , i just wana ask how i can improve my article regarding reliable sources i've ben searching for many sites and i added many sources to the aticle Sergey911911911 (talk) 09:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sergey911911911 I think I clicked the wrong decline rationale, apologies. The article as a whole needs to be fairly heavily copy edited, and there are some unreferenced bits, which is not allowed on a BLP. If it was a non-BLP that may be passable. My issue with notability is I'm not clear how evidenced his notability is outside the scandal - which, the scandal is definitely notable. Could you show a few sources that talk about Mutee in depth specifically? PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:03, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

yes of course i can manage that Sergey911911911 (talk) 09:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for 1997 Saint-Casimir mass suicide

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Anthony Jones draft rejection

Hi i saw you rejected a draft about aj jones from baltimore. I found a few website pieces about him. Where do i post them Ptrwqa21 (talk) 10:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ptrwqa21 Are you the same person as who made the draft? You have similar usernames.

Just add them to the article, preferably with content PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Colombian massacre Notability

Hello, I saw that you recently marked my newly created Segovia massacre, Honduras and La Negra farms massacre, and La Mejor Esquina massacre articles as possibly not meeting notability guidelines. Could you tell me what concerns you personally have, what I could possibly do to prove their notability? Mason7512 (talk) 01:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Mason7512 The Segovia and Major Esquinas ones I did too hastily, I think I tagged the wrong pages, they appear to have retrospective coverage and look fine. Apologies, I have been a bit sleep deprived lately, I will be more careful going forwards.

My issue with the farms massacre page is that the only source I can see on that page that gives sigcov and non passing mentions of the massacre is from right when it happened, or is a government report, which don't much help notability. I could not access the book source. Is there those retrospective articles or book coverage like the other two pages have? If so, add them, and feel free to remove the tag if so. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the reply and feedback! Mason7512 (talk) 01:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

A goat for you!

Thanks. I'm still new to figuring out citations.

SkibidiGyatt99 (talk) 09:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

@SkibidiGyatt99 No problem! Happy editing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for your WP:GAN review of Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi)! TarnishedPath^talk 11:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath You're welcome. Was an interesting article and topic to review, I'll keep it on my watchlist. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi) has been nominated for Did You Know

Hello, PARAKANYAA. I've nominated Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi), an article you either created or to which you significantly contributed,  to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. ~~~~

TarnishedPath^talk 12:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

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Early Belgian Association of OSMT

Hello, sorry for the confusion, I am still learning how to effectively use Wikipedia. Thank you for notifying me about the talk feature.

I would be happy to try to communicate about things here.

I've been studying (seriously) the various neo-Templar movements for more than the last decade and have a pretty vast array of resources that I have accumulated, including primary and secondary sources/documents.

Unfortunately, the problem about the secondary sources with this field is that one must tread carefully - as many of the secondary sources are often times biased and often times used to try to assert dominance, authority, or legitimacy over another and are often times not really based exactly from primary sources, or distorted.

Anyways, as stated, you can find it yourself if you wish in the annals of the official registration in the "Belgisch Saatsbald" of January 1932 on page 16 No. 81. This includes the registration of the association and it's statutes.

I hope this helps you at all and I welcome any and all discuss.

Thank you 193.207.214.127 (talk) 19:08, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

No issues, I didn't know how to do a lot of the more technical aspects when I was new here either. Going forward, it would be best to communicate on the talk page of the article, instead of my talk page, as it allows others to weigh in.

If you mean the Belgisch Staatsblad, I attempted to use this site to search, but got no results. Did you have a better place to access its archives? Or were they registered in a language other than French? The only languages I have familiarity with are French and English so it may have been impaired by that.

A thing with Wikipedia is it is supposed to be based off of secondary sources, which are, as you said, sometimes incorrect, distorted, or wrong. I have run into that repeatedly while looking into this topic (who founded what can be very confused it seems...) Primary sources may be used to augment this but this must be done extremely carefully to avoid WP:Original research. If this was actually a mistake on the part of the secondary sources, that's possible, but I'd be surprised that if in the 90 year history of this group not a single secondary source had ever been correct about it. I might not be looking hard enough for secondary sources, though. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Could you post here the link to the talk page you are referring to?

Thank you 193.207.162.139 (talk) 20:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, If I am not mistaken, I believe that Milko Bogaard in one of his works - either the one on Martinism or that on AMORC - stated something about Harvey Spencer Lewis receiving charters from this association in 1933 (and stating the correct name). I have also actually seen these documents as well and have some copies.

I also have a book (it might be in Italian) where it states that also Jean Malinger also received the same charters, etc., a few years later from the same association. I will try to locate the source again. 193.207.162.139 (talk) 20:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Neo-Templarism. The talk page of any article is the name of the article prefixed with Talk:. If we're talking about the OSMTJ a connection with AMORC is unsurprising, I will see if I can find anything. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you.

But yes, that would be the correct website. I was looking and I can't figure out how to use their search function. However, you should, I assume, also be able to write to them and request a digital copy. They are big on transparency. The publication is Bilingual and includes the French. I was looking in my files and I could only find a scan of the specific page. But is from the issue published 20/01/1932 193.207.187.141 (talk) 08:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

In the end it was in the Caillet book (which I probably should have checked first then all of this could have been avoided) PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Gatekeeping/OCD

Are your reasons for declining his Roy Ames draft really valid? Everyone in this scene, including yourself, has written about cases less notable than this while primarily using local coverage, and there never seems to be an issue.

Happy holidays, Swinub★ 09:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@Swinub The sources are entirely local, half cited to Google drive, and the overarching narrative is of this strange theory promoted by YouTubers without any secondary coverage. The entire article is stitched together from primary sources to paint a narrative that doesn't exist in the secondary sources - WP:OR. Local coverage is fine for detail, but is iffy on notability, though I find I am more lenient towards its use in proving notability than many at AfD. In this case, there is no non-local coverage, at any point, judging from what it is the article.

Several sources in the page do not mention the subject. Half the the sources are Google Drive links, police records or other unreliable sources that do not help notability. If there was broader non-local coverage at the time or since or if there was any book coverage there would be a case for notability but as it is now, no. There's also BIO1E concerns as if he has any claim to notability it is the sex crimes, and the sourcing is not strong enough to overcome that and doesn't pass NEVENT. Another issue is the coverage is all ROTM trial stuff with no analytical or retrospective coverage.

And as for myself I do not think I have made articles for less notable criminal cases, no. Just because a lot of people ignore our notability guidelines doesn't mean we should. Curious what you meant by mentioning OCD? PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea what the "strange theory promoted by YouTubers" is referring to, or the narrative that is supposedly being painted. But fair enough about the overreliance on Google Drive. I'll try to speak to him about this or fix it myself. Swinub★ 11:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@Swinub The stuff about the connection with Dean Corll was the subject of a bunch of video essays by true crime YouTubers in the past few weeks and the subject of that article was involved. It’s related to a nationwide sex trafficking network that was alleged to involve several serial killers. Given the paucity of other sourcing and how that allegation can only be cited to primary source police documents I assume that is why it was created. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

The overarching rule of AfC is you are supposed to accept it if the article would probably get kept at AfD, if not decline. Articles like this get deleted all the time. PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:10, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Roy Ames Article

Hello!

I had noticed you had declined my friends submission on the Roy Ames article. Roy Ames is a large part of the picture of the Dean Corll case. Corll had 11 victims who were found in pornographic publications and this ties back to Ames's warehouse.

We could also add the story of Corll wanting to take Henley to a warehouse that was mentioned in the Serial Killers Apprentice. A book that had released just this last April that had helped to tie Ames into the Corll case more than he was mentioned before with Norman. I would also like to add regarding Ames we have discovered he was apart of a larger child sex trafficking and crime organization that was running in the United States.

This does not even include his ties to Texas radio and blues in the 60s and 70s and even after that. Johnny Winter was under his label for a very long time and was quite prolific in this scene and had hits in that era.

If Ames is not allowed, then why is there a Huey Meaux article and why have I been able to add to it and make that article less of a stub? Huey Meaux worked with Roy Ames and he too was tied to the same crime ring.

I am sorry, but I am pretty upset with your decision to decline my friends article as he had worked very hard on this and this is a topic that I know for both me and him is quite frankly important and we would like more people aware of what had occurred especially with the recent Flesh Simulator YouTube Video that had released back in October. Anhedonicx (talk) 18:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@Anhedonicx How much does the book mention Ames? If there's significant coverage of him in that, then it should be added to the article, because as is it was not cited and the article as it is was cited entirely to primary source documents and very, very local news. The local news is fine for facts but doesn't much help notability, as to be frank there are a lot of local sex criminals.

Notability for a criminal is not based on how many people they victimized, but how much their crimes were covered in reliable, secondary sources. Is there significant coverage of the radio ties, in reliable secondary sources?

Huey Meux, looking at his article, seems to be notable through coverage from a variety of outlets over a decent period of time. Coverage all the way from Texas to California, and obituaries showing more retrospective coverage of his life. Unlike Ames. Still not the clearest cut sign of notability, but a lot better than Ames. Also, please stop adding Google Docs links as citations. You can add the original news report but directly linking it like that is technically a copyright violation. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:03, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Roy Ames article denial

Hello, I have read over your discussion with other users in regards to your denial of my article. I and others have eliminated all of the Google drive links in the reference sections. I also added an official United State government hearing that includes multiple references to the subject and included a section at the end of the Dean Corll allegations to state the impact of his involvement and curtail any perceived bias, as well as updated my verbiage in those sections to better reflect a neutral tone. I also want to dispute the assertion that the subject has low notability as I have multiple sources, government hearing included, that are reporting outside of the subject's locality, some of which have no relation to the location of crimes committed by the subject, notably the Plain Dealer write up, a publication in Ohio. The book For Money or Love was also a national publication out of New York. Furthermore, most of my sources directly mention the subject by name and indicate a larger reach to his crimes outside of Texas. Tj6555 (talk) 20:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@Tj6555 Thank you for replacing the links, that problem is now resolved. US government hearings are not very helpful for notability, as are legal notices/hearings generally. The content seems to be better now, at least, but it's still cited a lot to primary source documents.

The best sources in the article for proving notability now are the Houston Chronicle death notice, which is very good content wise (I would recommend citing that more), but is local. However Houston is a big city and the Houston Chronicle is a very big paper, so that's not too bad. The For Money or Love book is also OK, but without seeing it I can't know how significant the coverage is. From what it's cited to I would not think it is sigcov, but I could be wrong. The Plain Dealer source I would not say is sigcov when it comes to Ames. If this was all there was I would not think he passes NCRIMINAL.

However, searching myself, since at this point I'm invested, I did actually find several other sources about him [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] and probably more. Considering that he is probably notable as a musician, and were these sources in the article at the time I probably would have accepted it. But at this point I'm probably too involved to judge this draft. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Timeless Voyage

On 2 December 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Timeless Voyage, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the author of the comic book Timeless Voyage was the leader of a UFO religion? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Timeless Voyage. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Timeless Voyage), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Article feedback

I have worked extensively on Elliot Rodger and 2014 Isla Vista killings and would appreciate some feedback from an editor with extensive experience like you. Shoot for the Stars (talk) 06:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For quickly and substantially improving Delay, Deny, Defend to a presentable state. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 19:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much :) PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi)

On 9 December 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Thomas Sewell attempted to recruit Brenton Tarrant, the perpetrator of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings, into the Lads Society? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Draft:Visakhapatnam Drug Bust Controversy

Hello, I have created the article using 2019 Philadelphia Packer Marine Terminal cocaine seizure, March 2022 Infanta drug seizure, October 2022 Manila drug raids as reference. Given that, there are relatively less number of article to take reference from. Could you please elaborate how can I change this article which looks like a news to an actual Wikipedia article. Truth Layer 123 (talk) 15:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Truth Layer 123 The title is written like a news lead instead of an encyclopedic lead. I would read WP:LEAD for more guidance on this. Another issue is the title which is not very encyclopedic (though that isn't a denial reason). Another problem is the article does not clearly indicate it passes WP:NEVENT. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

According to what I understand, I do agree with title renaming requirement. Additionally, a "lasting effect" and national or international coverage are crucial for an event to be considered noteworthy. This particular event was covered on all the major news outlets across the country, it can be seen in the references. When it comes to lasting effect, the incident was alos discussed across the local and state media this week and known to have an effect on the state elections. I'll make the necessary changes to title and lead in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines and submit it once again. Thank you for the guidance. Truth Layer 123 (talk) 16:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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Death of Elianne Andam

I removed the proposed deletion, because this is a potentially controversial deletion. If possible, please go to WP:AfD. Tagging as a courtesy Mwwv and Spicy. Bearian (talk) 03:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't see how this was controversial, but OK. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Bludgeon

You need to read wp:bludgeon. Slatersteven (talk) 11:25, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Slatersteven Every response bar one was responding to someone who was responding to me. If I was responding to every other response in that thread, sure, but that's not what I'm doing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

But you keep on creating the same (nonpolicy) based argument. If it did not work before it won't work for the 15th time. Slatersteven (talk) 11:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Slatersteven No I'm not, we are debating whether it would or would not constitute racial bias and what racial bias means. That's not a one step yes-no question. And is it a matter of "working"? What do you think I'm trying to do here? On a personal level I couldn't care less if we banned every single paper outside of the west but it's ridiculous as long as we parade ourselves as "diverse" with combatting "systemic bias" being official initiatives of the foundation that runs the website. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)