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Tech News: 2015-31

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Problems

  • There was a problem with some Lua modules on July 22 and 23. Some pages using them did not list them in "what links here". You can fix those pages with a null edit: edit and save the page without making any change.
  • There was a problem with the abuse filter page on big wikis on July 23. It was due to a code error. [6]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from July 28. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from July 29. It will be on all Wikipedias from July 30 (calendar).
  • JavaScript authors: You cannot use wgNoticeUserData to get edit counts anymore. [7]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on July 28 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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15:05, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:Academic journals by country of publication

Category:Academic journals by country of publication, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Fgnievinski (talk) 01:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Films and television shows set in Birmingham, West Midlands

A tag has been placed on Category:Films and television shows set in Birmingham, West Midlands requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

articles have been moved to Category:Films set in Birmingham, West Midlands and Category:Television shows set in Birmingham, West Midlands

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. NeoBatfreak (talk) 17:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Bunch of redirects

Hi! I remember that you and I wanted a script/tool, that could create bunch of redirects. Here is one. I think you will understand how to use it at Special:Massedit :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 08:52, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: Thank you. I'll have a play with that as soon as I have a minute. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:12, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 July 2015

Wikidata weekly summary #169

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

FYI

I've compiled a list of infoboxes missing from Category:Infobox templates, and another of infoboxes missing from Wikipedia:List of infoboxes, which you might find useful. They might contain some false positives. Alakzi (talk) 16:45, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Useful thanks, I see some recent creations on there. Also, in the latter at least, the hardcoded instances of {{Infobox element}}, which are mentioned in the existing list, under Wikipedia:List of infoboxes#Other science and nature. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:56, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
@Alakzi: Please see {{Infobox beach}}; I've made it a more general template, but some work is needed to make the Au-specific properties optional. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:04, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
OK, done. (That was tedious.) Alakzi (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-32

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The ContentTranslation extension has been updated:
    • You can now type in list paragraphs on wikis with right-to-left scripts. [8]
    • Some user interface updates changed how details in the ContentTranslation extension look. [9] [10] [11] [12]
  • The error page you see when the sites are not working is now simpler and easier to read. It also shows the Wikimedia logo. [13]
  • MediaWiki now supports redirects for CSS pages. [14]
  • Bots can't guess captchas unlimited times anymore. [15]

Problems

  • There was a problem with thumbnails on wikis with local images on July 24 and 25. It was due to a code error. [16]
  • We can't search by file type on Wikimedia wikis now. [17]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 4. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from August 5. It will be on all Wikipedias from August 6 (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on August 4 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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15:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 05 August 2015

Deletion of Template:Infobox weather type

Hello, Andy, my name is thelogoontherun. I saw that you left a message saying that my template was nominated for deletion. First of all, if you would like to my template, you will have to give a valid reason. There was no reason whatsoever, and this is breaking Wikipedia's guidelines. Discuss on my talk page to talk more about this.

Thank you, Thelogoontherun (talk) 19:52, 3 August 2015 (UTC)thelogoontherun

@Thelogoontherun: I suggest you read the discussion, which was linked to from the message on your talk page. The text "nominated for deletion" in that message is a link to the guidelines, that you erroneously assert that I am breaking. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:04, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

L.S. Lowry

I don't understand why you reverted my edit or what your edit summary means here You asked for clarification as to what the record was. I read the citation, changed the text to say it was a record price for a Lowry painting and removed the tag. I didn't add any links, so what has your garbled summary about a link directory got to do with anything - and what further clarification do you need? Richerman (talk) 16:59, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I misunderstood your edit, due to the ambiguous edit summary. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:03, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
What was ambiguous about it? The information you asked for was clearly in the online reference given. Richerman (talk) 17:11, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 6 August

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. It is as follows:

Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:25, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

RSC 2015--07-29

hello

Thanks a lot - elegant roller. Rasgondar (talk) 14:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hi from Dave Miller. Thanks for the Wiki start-up today. DoctorCaffeine (talk) 14:38, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

hello

Hi, it's Monika. --Twenty2Nine (talk) 14:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Andy. WikiClive (talk) 15:07, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Have fun tomorrow- I am watching from 45°41′03″N 3°03′42″E / 45.6842°N 3.06175°E / 45.6842; 3.06175. They have a poor Internet connection- do you remember wet string? I try to send some images tonight though-- Clem Rutter (talk) 17:48, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit

Can you double-check your edit at [18] please? I'm not objecting to the alt or url edits; it's the other changes that are raising my eyebrows... (although I'm sure someone will come along soon who will try to add the "official website" back as an external rather than infobox link!) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:06, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Yet you reverted those changes? I'm not sure which change(s) you do object to - please be more specific. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:14, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm 95% OK with the changes you made to the infobox (except for the car park change), but why the other changes? Perhaps they were accidental? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:20, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
@Mike Peel: Car parks should not be included, per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. I removed blank params which are unlikely to be used, and added the accreditation body and country of location. Are you referring to that or something else? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:24, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
OK, leaving aside the car park point (and the other infobox edits), you reverted other edits in the rest of the text - but perhaps that was accidental? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:29, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I see what you mean. Sorry; that was unintentional. I've fixed that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:40, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Mike Peel (talk) 20:42, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #170

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Discussions
    • Successful request for oversight rights: Sjoerddebruin
  • Events/Blogs/Press
    • Wikimedia UK is organizing a Wikidata training session. You can sign up here.
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • Talk pages on Wikidata can now be converted to use Flow. You can request migrating your talk page at d:Wikidata:Flow.
    • Mix-n-Match got a bunch of new catalogs for you to match up with Wikidata. Currently matching is happening at about 500 items per day. Pretty sweet :)
    • @happybirthdayauthors is a new Twitter account posting reading suggestions based on Wikidata data.
    • Arbitrary access is rolling out to a large number of wikis over the next two weeks.
    • Duplicity can help you match up unlinked Wikipedia articles to a Wikidata item.
  • Did you know?
  • Development
    • Made some small changes to the style of the edit warning and sitelinks so they are easier to notice and understand
    • Added error messages for Special:GoToLinkedPage and Special:ItemByTitle so you get a useful message in case no result is found
    • The Entity Selector now displays alias in brackets behind label
    • The number of entities loaded via the {{#property:…}} parser function and via Lua will be reported in the “Parser profiling data” (which can be found below a page preview or within the Html of a page)
    • Prepared for next rounds of arbitrary access rollout
    • Investigated growing lag of dispatching of changes to Wikipedia and co. We'll need to investigate further and change things so the lag between an edit on Wikidata and it being send to the Wikipedias and other projects is not too high.
    • Added the property ID to Special:ListProperties
    • Moved two extensions (Wikidata.org and WikimediaBadges) from Github to Gerrit. More will follow.
    • We'd like to drop a database table. Discussion is ongoing.
  • Monthly Tasks
    • Hack on one of these.
    • Help develop the next summary here!
    • Contribute to a Showcase item
    • Help translate or proofread pages in your own language!
    • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.

Template: infobox arab tribe

I think that that there is need for a type of infobox that can be used specifically for the long list of arab tribes (see Tribes of Arabia). You have suggested on using the infobox tribe template, whereas it primarily involves a gotra or Indian clan. Please can you tell me your thoughts on this, Erisedstar30259 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:12, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

My thoughts are in Wikipedia:Infobox consolidation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:14, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
I have added the parameter nisba to the infobox tribe template, so you can delete it.Erisedstar30259 (talk) 12:13, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-33

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • MediaWiki can now hide the signature button when you edit a content page. [19]
  • The "Your preferences have been saved" message has changed. You can now see more easily what was saved when you change preferences several times. [20]
  • You can now play Ogg video files in some browsers that don't support this format. This solution uses JavaScript and works on desktop browsers only for now. It will work on mobile later. [21]
  • You can now use the same tools to edit style in VisualEditor on mobile as in desktop browsers. [22]
  • It is now easier to see if there is a JavaScript error in a user or site script. [23]
  • JavaScript authors:
    • You can no longer use the Sajax library. You can see a list of pages to fix. [24] [25]
    • You can no longer use document.write on Wikimedia wikis. You can see a list of pages to fix. [26] [27]
  • The content translation tool now works better. It is easier to use math, and useless tags are no longer added. [28]

Problems

  • More edits have been rejected due to loss of session data lately. This is now fixed. [29]
  • Importing a Lua module sometimes didn't work. This is now fixed. [30]
  • Text was sometimes lost in the content translation tool. One part of the problem is now fixed. [31]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 11. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from August 12. It will be on all Wikipedias from August 13 (calendar).
  • UploadWizard is getting a new look. The look of buttons and checkboxes has already changed. This week, UploadWizard gets a new date picker. The other text fields will change soon. [32]
  • You can now test VisualEditor on mobile devices of all sizes. [33]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on August 11 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • Some things in the watchlist will get a new look. [34]

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14:58, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Infobox weather type

Your comment of 19:02 on 2 August makes me think that you're now interested in keeping {{Infobox weather type}} and using it on the articles that the other user linked. I suggested a speedy keep because it looks like you were withdrawing the request, but nobody closed it and nobody disagreed. Would you be willing to withdraw the deletion request formally? If I misunderstood you, if you'd still like to see it be deleted, please correct me by saying so at the discussion. Nyttend (talk) 21:37, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Academic journals published in the United Kingdom

Category:Academic journals published in the United Kingdom, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. fgnievinski (talk) 00:39, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Category:Academic journals published in the United States

Category:Academic journals published in the United States, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. fgnievinski (talk) 00:39, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Accessibility of legislature composition bars

Your input at Template talk:Democratic Party (United States)/meta/color#Summary would be welcome. Alakzi (talk) 10:54, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Commonwealth Games listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Infobox Commonwealth Games. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Infobox Commonwealth Games redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You

The Accessibility Barnstar
For your substantial work in making Wikipedia more accessible. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:32, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Gateway Protection Programme FAC

Hi. As someone who takes a keen interest in articles about the UK, I wondered if you might like to comment on the FAC discussion for Gateway Protection Programme? A previous discussion was archived due to a lack of participation, and I am keen to avoid the same happening again. Any thoughts you have on the article would be much appreciated. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:14, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

merge discussion for connected contributor template

hi Andy - I see you nominated this for merging. i use these templates and would like to comment on the discussion, but I can't find it. Does the discussion happen on the log page, or is there a discussion somewhere else? Sorry to bother you - thanks in advance for the pointer. Jytdog (talk) 13:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

@Jytdog: The notification on each template's page includes the link "this template's entry". The notification above each use of the templates includes "See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Yep, I saw that. I was really looking to confirm that the discussion takes place on the log page - apparently it does. if i am wrong about that, please let me know. thx Jytdog (talk) 13:40, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 August 2015

Request for comment

An editor has asked for a discussion on the deprecation of Template:English variant notice. Since you've had some involvement with the English variant notice template, you might want to participate in the discussion if you have not already done so.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 07:04, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Isn't the word "sanctions" spelled s-a-n-c-t-i-o-n-s with a letter 'c' in it?

Hi, Pigsonthewing,

I see you just moved a template[35] but it looks like the move introduced a spelling error in the template name. You may want to check spelling and otherwise check for editor consensus (is that recorded somewhere else?) before proceeding with this project. I'd change the template title myself, except maybe you are in the middle of a project, so I thought I should let you know. See you on the wiki. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (Watch my talk, How I edit) 20:49, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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Need help with logo images, please

Hello Andy, I just want some help in figuring out how the logo licensing works in wiki commons. I was writing an article about an institute IMDEA Nanoscience Institute within a network and uploaded a logo of it, but it has been removed due to copyright, bla blah. I don't fully get how it works because the other logo images for the same institute exist in the commons under fair use license. Can you explain this to me? Should I ask to undelete my file? Cheers Frostdawn (talk) 20:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

@Frostdawn: If the logo is simple typography, with no artistic component, you can upload to Commons, per this guideline. Otherwise, you can upload it directly to (this) Wikipedia under "fair use"; see Wikipedia:Logos. I have no idea what's done on the Russian Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:59, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #171

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

T:Persondata

Note your revert – not a big deal, but shouldn't we be a little careful about making edits so close together on high-risk templates? After all, the dep notice was noincluded. – Painius  11:28, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any such moratorium. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:30, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
While there is no specific policy nor guideline, I've had recent discussions with admins, one of whom was concerned about the effect of high-risk template edits on the server load, and another who explained how and why such back-to-back edits on high-risk templates should only be done if the first edit might be harmful. Otherwise there is risk to the server load that is not in accord with the wmf:Terms of Use#4. Refraining from Certain Activities, Engaging in Disruptive and Illegal Misuse of Facilities, specifically: "Disrupting the services by placing an undue burden on a Project website or the networks or servers connected with a Project website". TheDJ instructs that making two edits to a high-risk template in a single day "would be suboptimal" in terms of the load on the server. Just fyi. Joys! – Painius  12:07, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Feel free to report me to the WMF then. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Riiight – I'll get right on that – naahhht! – Painius 

Tech News: 2015-34

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Many Wikipedias can now use information from any Wikidata item in any Wikipedia article. Before they could only use the Wikidata item that matched the subject of the article. [36] [37] [38]
  • Some auto-saving problems and other issues in the Content Translation tool are now fixed. Please report to the Content Translation feedback page if you still have problems. [39]

Problems

  • Older gadgets that are not using ResourceLoader are not loading anymore. They need to be updated. [40] [41]
  • On August 12 the machine translation servers and the Content Translation tool didn't work. This was fixed on the same day. [42]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 18. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from August 19. It will be on all Wikipedias from August 20 (calendar).
  • You can soon watch when something is added to or removed from a category. [43]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on August 18 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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16:17, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 19 August 2015

your reversion of my talk page entry

I consider your reversion of my talk page entry to be unjustified. — Robert Greer (talk) 22:04, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Next time put your comments (plural - you left the same text on more than one page) in the proper place, then. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:05, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Infobox transmitter

One of your recent edits to Template:Infobox transmitter (the last one, I think) has caused more than 150 articles to be listed in Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags because they're now displaying two sets of coordinates in the title position. I know very little about template coding and am unable to identify what, exactly, the trouble is. Could you look into the matter and try to correct the problem? Deor (talk) 13:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

@Deor: Fix is this; because they have the coordinates entered twice. I'll ask someone with AWB to mop up, shortly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:49, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
It looks as though User:Redrose64 has cleaned these up, except for the few I did myself. (A cautionary tale about using Wikidata to store coordinates: The Wikidata entry for Borj-e Sefid had coordinates corresponding to a location in West Yorkshire rather than Tehran, picked up from the erroneous coordinates in our article. Fortunately, there appears to be no article about it in any other language, so the problem hasn't had a chance to spread.) Deor (talk) 22:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Closure of TfDs

Hi Andy; I really don't think that you should have closed these four TfDs. WP:NACD says "closing discussions in which you have offered an opinion ... should be avoided", which applies to all four; it also says "non-administrators should not close discussions in which they lack the technical ability to act upon the outcome, such as deletion", which applies to three of them. It also says "when closing deletion discussions, users should indicate in the closing decision that they are not administrators", which you don't appear to have done. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:48, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Gosh! All the harm I've done to the project! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:54, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Can we not kick up a fuss about this right now, as long as the actual closures are good, please? TfD is massively backlogged again and more people moving the simple/uncontested discussions along is a good thing. Opabinia regalis (talk) 21:13, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll echo this, sorry. I appreciate you taking on the work at TfD, and I'm pleased to see that non-admins got the go ahead to close discussions there as delete, but you should absolutely not be closing discussions where you've given an opinion – this applies across the board, whatever the process and whatever userrights the closer has. Jenks24 (talk) 22:28, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:DRV. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:36, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Hey, come on. You want to close things, that's great – but you have to be willing to have discussions about your closures and actually take on board what other people are telling you in good faith, you can't just fob everyone off with snide remarks. I really don't want to escalate this anywhere. Jenks24 (talk) 22:50, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
WP:DRV. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I hadn't noticed those were also your nominations. Yeah, better to avoid that, unless it's a withdrawal or a procedural thing. "Discussion closed by nominator" will get overturned at DRV, which someone will do eventually, which will be a waste of time. Opabinia regalis (talk) 23:05, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

I've taken this to AN. Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive273#Involved TfD closures. Jenks24 (talk) 14:48, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Presumably because you can cause more dramah there than at the correct venue, WP:DRV? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:43, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
You know full well that they're raising a problem with your behavior rather than the decisions you reached and don't necessarily want the decisions themselves overturned. Any admin can re-open your closures without DRV and they would not be wrong in doing so. Quite simply, closing discussions you're involved in is just something we do not do here. This is explicitly prohibited by WP:NACD, and according to longstanding consensus, is simply something that's not done. The fundamental requirement for closing discussions is to be uninvolved (see Wikipedia:Closing discussions#Closure procedure). Even if invoking some sort of unusual justification for doing this, you should have known full well that your involved closures were out of process and would probably be questioned, and you should not have responded with rudeness and sarcasm as you did. Since you're obviously unwilling to discuss this in good faith with your fellow members of the community, I will have to simply warn you that your closes are in violation of community consensus as written at Wikipedia:Deletion process, and that you'll need to stop. Stick to closing discussions you're not involved in, by all means, but be prepared to offer a transparent explanation, per Wikipedia:Closing discussions#Consensus and Wikipedia:Guide to deletion#Closure. If you're unable to do this, you should not be closing discussions. Swarm ♠ 17:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
tl;dr. No admin has seen fit to reopen any of the closures. It would be idiocy to do so. NACD "prohibits" nothing. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:AN case closed as "There is no consensus that non-admin clerking debates of templates deleted by admins is disruptive" Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Ban of your participation in the AN discussion of TfD closures

Ymblanter reverted his ban, after being advised by other editors that it was inappropriate.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Per Wikipedia:Arbitration/Active sanctions, If Pigsonthewing behaves disruptively in any discussion; any uninvolved administrator may ban Pigsonthewing from further participation in that discussion. Any such restriction must be logged on the main case page of this review. Since I am not involved, and I do believe you behave disruptively in the AN discussion on TfD closures, I ban you from further participation in this discussion. Sorry for the block, I misread the ArbCom decision and lifted it within a minute.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:46, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

WTF?! How is my participation - in a discussion about me - disruptive? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
This is a good example. You are obviously welcome to appeal.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
It is a good example of me pointing out a flaw in someone's argument. It is not disruptive. You have not answered my question. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:30, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Support that view, - what else is considered "dispuptive" but isn't in my eyes? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I do find this disruptive. If you disagree, please appeal.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
The question - which you have still not answered - is "how is my participation disruptive?". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:54, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I am sorry, but I am not under obligation to answer this question. If you learned nothing from the arbcom case, I can not help.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:55, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Oh, you've just answered it loud and clear. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)



How things work

1 Collect (talk) 14:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

@Collect: Well, quite. Tempted to nominate WP:IAR for deletion. WP:5P, too. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Always wanted to know what "disruptive" means here. I learned that it is a step of opening towards progress, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Before everyone rushes off to get the tar and the feathers, can I put in a diversion and suggest somebody quickly looks over Rick Wright, fixing any obvious errors, before I take it off to WP:GAN? Cheers. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:38, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I'd be happy to, but my time is tied up defending myself against false allegations. Perhaps you can help? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:45, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Ignore it. Nobody really cares. Or to be precise, the proportion of the 1,000 people a day (give or take) who read Rick's article, I'd speculate the proportion of those who care about some random food fight on ANI to be approximately 0. I'd also speculate the proportion of GLAM attendees who care about it to be roughly in the same ballpark. I don't know what works for you but for me a nice romantic meal and coffee with the other half works, or failing that, putting John Peel's 1970 Floyd In Concert session on full blast, which STILL hasn't been officially released ... some day I'll get round to recording my own version of "The Embryo" and put it out there. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:01, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your well-meant advice, but my experience of other, similarly false, allegations is that it will be used against me, and people will ignore (or not care about) the context. I'm prepared to consider a nice romantic meal and coffee with your other half, but may I see a picture first? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:16, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
O ye of little faith, I see the sanction has been dropped. I can do better than a photo, but I don't think she's going to be up for the rest of the offer I'm afraid :-/ You'll just have to get it out of your system some other way. It's so nice to see a Floyd tribute band do something that's not just a rehash of the Live 8 set.....anyway, I digress Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:29, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
But would it have been, had I not persisted? I've seen enough Floyd over bands for a lifetime, but some - those who do go beyond "greatest hits" - are excellent. Her loss, though. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:36, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Commons category template

Dear Pigsonthewing,

I guess this discussion Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_August_20#Category:Commons_category_template_with_no_category_set might interest. I suppose your input on this topic could be valuable. --Robby (talk) 21:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I've replied there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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