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May 2019

Hello, I'm Mattythewhite. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Kylian Mbappé, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:29, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adesanya

Hi. As per BRD I thought I'd ask why you think a comment as to Adesanya's school progress to be relevant?NEDOCHAN (talk) 22:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@NEDOCHAN Hello. The schooling is relevant because that was the main reason why he moved to New Zealand as stated in the news article. (see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#News_organizations and Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view). --Retrofan781 (talk) 00:37, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SamHolt6 Here you go, feel free to chime in. Do note WP:BRD does not supersede Wikipedia content policies and guidelines (WP:NPOV and WP:NEWSORG). So on what grounds did you just remove this content? Do note WP:BRD-NOT again. --Retrofan781 (talk) 03:34, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just because something is published doesn't mean it should be included in an encyclopaedia. WP:RELEVANCE. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Relevance. It would have been easier to discuss but I think the article's better now than it was.NEDOCHAN (talk) 07:55, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@NEDOCHAN You do realize that is just an essay, right? Since when did essays/opinions replace Wikipedia content policies and guidelines like WP:NPOV and WP:NEWSORG which clearly support inclusion of the content? So far your argument seems to be bordering on WP:IDONTLIKEIT which does not justify its exclusion whatsoever. --Retrofan781 (talk) 10:20, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is no consensus for including the content. It's not relevant. No point continuing to discuss.NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:24, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@NEDOCHAN Then I suggest you read WP:NPOV again. --Retrofan781 (talk) 10:55, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@CASSIOPEIA As you can see above, this WP:BRD discussion was started here by @NEDOCHAN but he is clearly not interested in it after being confronted with facts. Because per WP:BRD-NOT, "BRD is never a reason for reverting. Unless the reversion is supported by policies, guidelines or common sense, the reversion is not part of BRD cycle." Per Wikipedia:Relevance, "This page is an essay. It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community." And 3) per WP:NPOV, "This policy is non-negotiable, and the principles upon which it is based cannot be superseded by other policies or guidelines, nor by editor consensus." Please advise. --Retrofan781 (talk) 10:55, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My edit removed detail that isn't relevant. It had nothing to do with NPOV. You were bold, I reverted. The next step should have been for you to discuss, yet you didn't. You went to war with me and other editors. I then started the discussion you should have started. That was taking place but you continued to war. I am nonplussed as to how you think removing excessive and irrelevant detail as to Adesanya's academic progress somehow contradicts NPOV. I shan't comment further other than to reiterate that there is no consensus for inclusion.NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:02, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@NEDOCHAN You are talking in circles. You keep declaring it as not relevant, based on what? An essay/personal opinion or an actual vetted Wikipedia content policy or guideline? The reason I reverted your reversions is because you deleted chunks of content from the article without knowing or caring to follow normal protocol (pay close attention to first sentence). Instead you kept deleting and kept changing the goalpost as to why you were doing it (notice how you went from WP:BRD (without realizing WP:BRD-NOT) to WP:NOTE to WP:RS to Wikipedia:Relevance to proclaiming no consensus). And just earlier you flat out refused to explain how an essay or so-called no consensus can supersede WP:NPOV. Content had nothing to do with NPOV you say? Well let's see... "All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.". In other words, you still have not given a valid reason for deleting NPOV content on a topic covered and published by MMAFighting, ESPN, etc. --Retrofan781 (talk) 16:45, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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