User talk:Roamataa/Archive 2

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Nu, nu este nici o problemă. Constituţia, Art. XIII, e limpedă: "În România, limba oficiala este limba româna." Da, în localităţi cu >20% minoritari, ei au voie să-şi folosească limba cu autorităţiile locale, să primească învăţământ în limba lor, au dreptul la semne pe stradă care să le scrie numele localităţii în limba lor, s.a.m.d. Dar româna şi numai româna rămâne limba oficiala a României. Biruitorul 15:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

N-aveţi grijă că nu cred că dublarea sau mai ales mutarea se vor întâmpla. Dar aveţi dreptate că trebuie să rămânem vigilenţi. Biruitorul 16:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Cu plăcere. Biruitorul 16:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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Because wikipedia guidelines specify that we shouldn't. Dahn 17:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, allow me to clarify, since I see you're confused about the terms: the lead should mention citizenship, not ethnicity (which is detailed in the body of text). In fact< I do believe I have said this about fourteen different times in fourteen different places. Dahn 17:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes, and in my version both of his citizenships are mentioned. Dahn 17:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

No, not really (the links clearly lead to countries, and Austria-Hungary never produced an ethnicity). Dahn 18:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion: he was an ethnic Romanian politician of Austria-Hungary. This is not against wikipedia customs... Zello 13:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, wikipedia discourages ethnicities in leads. The point is that he was actually a politician of both Austria-Hungary and Romania (in succession). Dahn 16:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

In fact MoS:BIO specifically says: Nationality: In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable. Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.

So Maniu's ethnicity should be emphasized, because we are in the unless case from MoS:BIO. Now User:Dahn keeps lying (I am sorry to have to use such a strong word) about the manual of style, just to disseminate his propaganda. We have here a self-avowed trotzkist sympathiser who declares that he does not personally care about ethnicity. No wonder then that he removes the reference to Maniu's being Romanian, while he insists on "Romanian" being applied foremost to the likes of Vasile Luca, member of the Supreme Soviet of Ukraine and of the USSR, born in Austria-Hungary like Maniu but of non-Romanian ethnicity, moral author of the Fantana Alba massacre directed agains Romanians in the wake of the Soviet occupation. Icar 10:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Oooops

I see you are able to communicate, that's great. The info is from the sources I inserted in the article. And I am asking you again, please do not revert my edits without prior consulation, that is very rude and unpolite. --KIDB 17:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

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Oradea 70% 70% 70%
County capital
Coat of arms
Location of Roamataa/Archive 2
Coordinates: 47°04′20″N 21°55′16″E
Country	Romania
County	Bihor County
Status	County capital
Government
• Mayor	Petru Filip (Democratic Party)
Area
• Total	111.2 km2 (42.9 sq mi)
Population  (2002)
• Total	206,614
• Density	1,858/km2 (4,810/sq mi)
• July 1, 2004	206,235
Time zone	UTC+2 (EET)
• Summer (DST)	UTC+3 (EEST)
Website	http://www.oradea.ro/

"I've read the discussion on Bac and before starting the discussion about the infoboxes, can you please tell me what is the situation there? What are the disputed points? I would like to understand the situation to see in which way is similar to mine."

Sorry because I did not had time to answer you before. Perhaps you should read my last post on "Talk:Bač, Serbia" where I explained the problems. There should be basic difference in naming policies used for the places where ethnic minorities are in majority and places where they are in minority. If we speak about Romania for example, usage of Hungarian names in the infobox would be ok in the current form in the articles like Sfântu Gheorghe or Miercurea-Ciuc because Hungarians are in majority in these places and therefore Hungarian names reflect demographic situation in these areas. However, for the places like Oradea or Târgu Mureş where Romanians are in majority naming policies should be quite different. As I already wrotte on "Talk:Bač, Serbia", these minority names used in the infoboxes could have four different meanings: 1. official, 2. demographical, 3. historical, and 4. political. So, usage of names in the infobox could be justified if we want to reflect official or demographical meaning, but usage of names in the historical or political meaning is not very acceptable in the geographical articles. Therefore, if we use Hungarian names in the infoboxes of Oradea or Târgu Mureş, we would have task to reflect their official use and partially their demographic meaning because part of population of these cities are ethnic Hungarians (but in which case Hungarian name should be written with smaller letters than Romanian one if we want to correctly reflect demographical situation in these cities). We also should writte a short sentence before Hungarian name in order to inform readers that Hungarian name is used here in its official (and partially demographical) meaning, but not in the historical (with allusion to former Kingdom of Hungary) or political (with allusion to Greater Hungary) meanings. I will also post changed infobox of Oradea on your talk page, so please tell me your opinion about this. PANONIAN 10:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Sigur, orice rungămine

Pot să-ţi spun ce ştiu eu că înseamnă plurality, adică nu mă considera ultima instanţă pentru orice ocazie teoretic posibilă, deşi sensul pe care îl am eu în minte nu mi-a adus niciodată vreun dubiu când aud cuvântul folosit în presă.

Este "the largest group/category, but is not necessarily a majority (more than half)" De exemplu, dacă se votează pentru trei candidaţi, care iau 49%, 48% şi 3%, şi cel cu 49% trece. El are pluralitate (mai mult decât oricare altul), dar nu majoritate (are sub jumătate). Sau, sa zicem în "Fundul Transilvaniei" sunt 45% unguri, 35% români, 15% ţigani şi 5% germani. Ungurii au pluralitate, dar nu (şi) majoritate. Eu aşa înţeleg. :Dc76 23:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Reverting

Sorry about that. I was trying to revert the edits of User:Menuetto. Apologies! Ronline ✉ 13:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

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Invitatie

Salut! Am observat ca aţi fost activ(ă) la articole despre Moldova (indiferent de ce mal al Prutului este vorba), sau despre regiunea Cernăuţi, sau despre Bugeac, sau despre Transnistria istorică. Dacă nu sunteţi indiferent şi vă interesează să contribuiţi la articole despre sau cu relevanţă pentru Republica Moldova, vă rog adăugaţi-vă numele la Noticeboard of the wikipedians from or interested in Moldova. Am vrea:

• să facem o inventariere a articolelor legate de Moldova, în special
  • să le punem în categoriile corecte
  • să identificăm sute de articole WP existente cu relevanţă despre Moldova şi la cele care nu au, să le adăugăm [[Category:Moldova]].
• în paralel am vrea să facem acelaşi lucru cu cele legate de regiunea Cernăuţi, Bugeac şi Transnistria
• să menţinem portalul Portal:Moldova, în special
  • să identificăm câteva articole bune, care ar putea deveni "featured"
  • să completăm "Did you know" la cel puţin 200 de intrări
  • să adăugăm Wikinews despre Moldova
• orice altceva ce vă interesează şi are legatură cu Moldova

Daca puteti contribui in medie o data pe saptamana cu o editare despre Moldova, ar fi excelent! Vă mulţumesc frumos si sper sa raspundeti. :Dc76 20:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Magyarization

Please stop putting back unreferenced and obvious lies into the article. Your edits are not constructive and will be reverted. Thank you. Squash Racket 19:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

What do you do if he reverts without paying attention to your comments on the discussion page? And of course you will leave there Tankred's version, right? Squash Racket 20:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

If you notice any others in the Balkan-Danube region, please draw them to my attention. If you wish to AfD any others outside the Balkan-Danube region, please inform me and I will give me opinion at the AfD there.

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Bosniak sentiment (second nomination)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Croatian sentiment (second nomination)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albanophobia
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serbophobia (fifth nomination)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Romanian discrimination
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Hungarian sentiment

- Francis Tyers · 13:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

My response is in the subject line. - Francis Tyers · 20:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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River boxes

There is nothing to answer. The two persons who are writing these notes have a habit of criticizing everything whithout coming uo with any constructive ideas. I am not getting into any of these stupid discussions again.Afil 13:58, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hello, I modified the template. I hope it's all right.Cosmin.V 19:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Rivers of Cluj County

You are right about the number of articles in the category Cluj County is excessive. It would probably be advisable to switch to Rivers of Cluj County, as the number of articles for rivers could justify a separate category.

However, keep in mind that you are not dealing with separate articles but with an entire project, which is actually part of the Wikiproject Rivers. Any solution adopted would have to be applied to all the articles, not only to a few rivers of Cluj County. If you are willing to start working on such changes for all the rivers, you are welcome, though I would advise you to discuss this at the discussion page of Wikiproject Rivers, just to make sure there are no objections. Making the changes manually will be extremely time consuming, as there are several thousands of articles for the rivers of Romania. I do not have an exact count, but they might exceed 10,000. For changes of this magnitude, developing a robot would probably be the best solution.

But unless the changes are made for all articles, so as to ensure the homogeneity of the classification, small changes for a few articles can only lead to confusions. You will first have to decide what you want to do and then proceed systematically to implement all the changes.

I concede that, at present the project is not yet consistent. It was started for the Romanian version (which was a more logical place for the information), but that was stopped, because contributions by persons from outside Romania, were not considered welcome in ro:wiki. Newer information has been included in the english version, but not all the romanian information has yet been transferred. The intention was to revise the classification after knowing exactly how many articles there are./Afil 22:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Most complex university?

UBB is the most complex university in Romania in terms of the variety of specialisations. For the University of Bucharest, for example, the Economics section is actually a different university - the Academy of Economic Studies. But to be honest I'm not a big fan of formulations like "the greatest", "the most complex" etc. So from my point of view, we can leave the phrase as you changed it. Best regards, Alexrap 11:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not questioning that Babeş-Bolyai University has a big number of specialisations -- probably the most of any University in Romania -- though it would be good to have a quoted source for that (how about Bucharest and Iaşi?) But I'm still skeptical that one would use the word "complex" in this context -- I for one, never encountered such usage in English (is it used in Romanian?) At any rate, it would be good to expand on the current status of the University -- eg, some notable (recent) achievements by faculty or students. (For example, Polytechnic University of Bucharest has more concrete stuff along these lines, although even there the section on "Achievements" begs for expansion.) In its present state, I find that the article on the Babeş-Bolyai University is kind of unbalanced, putting too much weight on what after all appears to be a relatively minor labor issue involving a couple of lecturers, instead of focussing more on the research, cutting-edge aspects that many people (including myself) would look for in a wiki article about a top-notch University. If anyone is interested on improving the article along these lines, I'm game to give it a try (when I have some spare moment, lately I've hit a wall in terms of available time for wiki). Turgidson 16:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)