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Shane, 二 is also pronounced "yi" when it precedes "jap". I pronounce it as "no" whenever it precedes anything else, like "bet", "chai", "buong"... Also, whenever reading numbers to someone one at a time, like in phone numbers, "ek" (or "iao") and "yi" are used in place of "jek" and "no".

Vowel Quadrilateral of Chaozhou

	Front		Central		Back
Close	i •  ɯ • u e • ø ə ɤ • o a
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Chaozhou

I think I have misinterpreted some points. Perhaps I was too tired when editing and read the wrong line. :)

In early times, Chaozhou was influenced by minorities from Nanyue. Later, as many Chaoshan people migrated to Southeast Asia, local languages like Thai, Khmer, Vietnamese and Malay affected Chaozhou in those areas.

Since I am not sure, I took away this at the moment, until that statement can be verified. I will make similar amendments on the Chinese version. By the way, which you does 汝 refer to?--Fitzwilliam 14:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. When I have time, I will find the books listed in the article. :)--Fitzwilliam 03:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Tiechiu swadesh list

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Your edit on Hanja

Do you have any examples of syllables with labial onsets in which "both Cantonese and Min languages have preserved labial codas"? Thanks, cab (talk) 07:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but "h" and "k" aren't labial onsets. The sentence you edited is talking about syllables which have both labial onsets and labial codas. Cantonese has only one example of such a syllable, "bam¹" [1], and I think both cases are loanwords, not preservation of a pronunciation from middle Chinese. cab (talk) 07:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem, when I read it again I can see it's not particularly clear; "the labial codas ... do not survive intact in most Chinese varieties today" could easily mean "all labial codas" instead of "the labial codas in the syllables mentioned". Lemme untwist my brain and I'll try to think of how to word it more explicitly. Cheers, cab (talk) 08:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)