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Category:Electronic sports games

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 16:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This name is confusing. Games are constantly reemoved fromt he category with notes they aren't sports games. This will never be able to keep articles. Beyond that, I think the concept is misguided as pretty much any game with multiplayer can be played competively. Ace of Sevens 23:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There's no problem with the category itself, the problem is that someone thinks that any competative game is a "sports" game. Sports game, in common usage, means games like Madden NFL 2000, video games that are adaptations of a real-life professional sport. In short, usage problem, not category problem. Unworthy of deletion. --tjstrf 23:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is already Category:Sports computer games for simulations of traditional sports. Electronic sports has a specific, different meaning. Basically, computer games that are played competitvely. The problem is, this is too broad and non-obvious to work as a cateogry. 05:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
In that case, strong delete as impossibly large, unmaintainable, vague, and useless. --tjstrf 05:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can see arguments for keeping a category for games that are played professionally in competion (as opposed to MMO farming) as that's narrow enough to be meaningful, but a confusing name is a serious problem. If kept as is, we will constantly deal with people deleting articles from the category with comments like "StarCraft isn't Madden". Ace of Sevens 01:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes there is a big problem with misunderstanig of the category. As explained before this category should list all games that are played professional in competitions like the CPL, WCG, ESWC, WEG and so on, not sports related video games (unless they are played professional). A rename of the category could may solve this problem, but i can't find a name that is that much better. --Wedderkop 00:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As electronic sports notes, the only standard for these games is "can be played competitively", which can apply to anything from Quake to CivNet. -Sean Curtin 15:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well it is not "can be played" actually it is "are played". --Wedderkop 16:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Narcotics

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The result of the debate was cat redir as it is the same --Kbdank71 16:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • This category has been replaced by more precise categories like Category:Opioids. —Centrx→talk • 22:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "what is a narcotic" must be one of the more common research questions that people come to Wikipedia looking to learn about, seeing as it's a shifting definition with enormous legal consequences for those who get involved in them. Could some experts on these articles comment on whether keeping the category would be useful towards answering that question? --M@rēino 19:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Should this category be kept as a parent to those more precise categories? --JeffW 00:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - opioid is a the proper encyclopedic term we are using here, and since all opioids are narcotics, and all (true) narcotics are opioids, there's no reason to have duplicate categories. "Narcotic" as a legal term referring to non-narcotics such as cocaine and cannabis is POV, and has no place in Wikipedia. --Thoric 17:37, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect. -Sean Curtin 15:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Government houses of the British Empire to Category:Government Houses of the British Empire and Commonwealth

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 06:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have just created this and I intended to include "and Commonwealth" in the name because many of them are still in use as the residences of governors-general of Commonwealth countries and Australian and Canadian provinces. Olborne 22:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Disgusting fictional characters

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 06:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Entirely POV and unencylopedic. CovenantD 19:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree.--CyberGhostface 19:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Kasreyn 20:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Nonomy 21:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete as utterly worthless and unsalvageably POV. Some of those people are pretty disgusting though. --tjstrf 00:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per tjstrf. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 02:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I populated this category essentially by myself (there were 3 entries when I ran across it) so it is probably mostly POV, i.e., mine (and the people I browbeat to help me brainstorm.) However, I see where it might be more valuable if it were better defined...I listed all the characters from Devil's Rejects because I think being a crazy psycho who sleeps with dead people/rapes women is disgusting...but I think maybe the person who originally created the category, based on its original three entries, intended it to be more of a "gross-out" category (viz. Mr. Creosote). If there isn't any way to limit it in that fashion, it may be entirely too vague. I had fun, anyway.... --Parcequilfaut 05:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French language schools in Ottawa

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 16:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We already have Category:Schools in Ottawa. That is sufficient. Ardenn 18:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:History of the Basque Country to Category:Basque history

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Basque history was the existing, largely complete category, the other is a new duplicate. Whilst normally of foo might be a valid name, ambiguous references to the Basque County have proved difficult in both article and category names. 'Basque history' better implies the history of the people and their lands. Either way, they should be merged. See also Category talk:Basque history for earlier discussions. Mtiedemann 18:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:History of Basque Country

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 16:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category now empty and duplicate of two other categories with merge requests Mtiedemann 18:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Visitor attractions in Australia

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The result of the debate was rename both. --RobertG ♬ talk 06:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The 2 categories itemised below do not match Category:Visitor attractions in Australia or the rest of the Category:Visitor attractions hierarchy.

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Category:List of songs performed on The X Factor(UK TV series)

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 06:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone did a lot of work on this. However, it's not a category and shouldn't be one. The content is good and should be moved to article space. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:U Cluj to Category:U Cluj players

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 16:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To match the other members of Category:Footballers in Romania by club. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Campus Response Teams

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 16:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No parent category, has only one member, no potential for expansion. Kimchi.sg 15:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States Navy aircraft carriers to Category:Aircraft carriers of the United States

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:27, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See below nom for Chilean Navy ships as well. Per discussion on WP:SHIPS, "(country's navy) (ship type)" categories should be merged/renamed to "(ship type) of (country" for consistency and ease of finding the proper category. There is no need to distinguish between USN carriers and carriers of the US; they are one and the same. TomTheHand 14:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Chilean Navy ships to Category:Naval ships of Chile

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These are essentially synonymous yet have no overlapping content. Per discussion on WP:SHIPS on cleanup of Category:Ships by country, "(country's navy) ships" should be merged/renamed to "Naval ships of (country)". If you oppose this merge, please come over to WP:SHIPS and give your input on a new categorization scheme. We've discussed the advantages and disadvantages of each name and decided on "Naval ships of (country)" but if you disagree we'd value your input. TomTheHand 14:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Congress Presidents to Presidents of the Indian National Congress

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 06:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a subcat of Category:Indian National Congress leaders. Expand party name to standard style and reword to avoid ambiguity with this party's Presidents of India. --Mereda 13:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Brothers in English Football

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 16:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trivial information, and in any case, putting these in a category makes no sense - they ought to really be in a list where they can be given context & structure. Qwghlm 09:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Natural satellites

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 16:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is only one Moon, and it orbits our planet. All others are natural satellites with other names. The article Natural satellites is the main article of Category:Moons.
&#151;Lady Aleena talk/contribs 06:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Moons to Category:Natural satellites
Category:Fictional moons to Category:Fictional natural satellites
Category:Moons in fiction to Natural satellites in fiction
Category:Jupiter's moons to Category:Natural satellites of Jupiter
Category:Mars' moons to Category:Natural satellites of Mars
Category:Neptune's moons to Category:Natural satellites of Neptune
Category:Pluto's moons to Category:Natural satellites of Pluto
Category:Saturn's moons to Category:Natural satellites of Saturn
Category:Uranus' moons to Category:Natural satellites of Uranus
Category:Icy moons - delete
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Category:Anti-neo-Nazi activism

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 16:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting from July 8 for more opinions. Conscious 06:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous categorization. If this category is supposed to list "Antifa" movements it should state so. Intangible 14:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What means activism in this case? If it just opposition to neo Nazism, this would include pretty much everyone. Intangible 13:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Category:Anti-fascism exists but has only one entry. It seems like it would be a more useful category (I thought it should be a parent of this one, but it wasn't). Aren't groups in this cat like the SPLC activists against a broad range of isms, anyway? --Dhartung | Talk 07:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I believe so, although their court cases seem to be against white supremacists. Category:Antifa would be a good cat for antifa movements. Intangible 10:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Breweries

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 16:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to match the other categories in Category:Beer and breweries in the United States.

Vegaswikian 06:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lists of bands by US state

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 16:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

to Category:Lists of American bands by state The proposed new name does not contain an abbreviation and is consistent with other categories such as Category:American musicians by state. --musicpvm 05:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Chattanooga FM stations to Category:Radio stations in Chattanooga

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 15:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Found one more bandwith oddity, this time without a corresponding AM category. Expand the scope to include all radio stations in Chattanooga and Rename. Caerwine Caerwhine 06:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:AM radio stations

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the vast number of article tha could be using this almost two year only category, to only have 50 articles, including 7 from Category:Atlanta AM stations nominated below. It would appear that splitting radio stations by frequency band doesn't seem to attact the interest of the radiophiles. Given the few articles, and the lack of any other band related categories for longwave, shortwave, or FM stations, a simple delete would seem most appropriate. Caerwine Caerwhine 05:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Radio stations in Atlanta

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 15:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Atlanta is an anomaly among the U.S. radio station categories in that it splits the FM and AM stations into separate categories: Category:Atlanta AM stations and Category:Atlanta FM stations. As far as I can tell, this isn't being done with any other subset of the U.S. radio market, and merging together the two would produce a single category of 47 articles, which is not overly large. I'm not opposed to doing an AM/FM split if that's how the radiophiles want it, but that doesn't appear to be the case, so merge to bring in line with similar categories. Caerwine Caerwhine 05:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Punjabi films to Category:Punjabi-language films

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 15:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cat should be renamed for consistency with other cats in Category:Films by language and per previous discussion: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 July 8#Films by language. --musicpvm 03:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:College dropouts

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NN I fail to understand why this is notable to the careers of, say, Madonna, Frank Zappa, and Brad Pitt. It's trivia. If it's notable in the context of a specific article that the subject was a dropout, then note it within that article. We don't need this category. Kasreyn 03:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Governors' mansions to Category:Governors' mansions in the United States

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 06:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are governors' mansions in many countries, but this category is specific to the United States. Olborne 02:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Greek organizations

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The result of the debate was cat redir to Category:Organizations based in Greece --Kbdank71 14:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Empty category with a duplicate scope of Category:Organizations based in Greece. "Based in" is the appropriate naming convention as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories). Kurieeto 01:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mexican non-governmental organizations

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category was created in October of 2005. Currently contains zero articles. Proposed for deletion as it demonstrates unneccessary categorization. Kurieeto 01:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Current English Premiership players to Category:Current FA Premier League players

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 14:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The parent category was recently renamed from Category:English Premiership players to category: FA Premier League players so this should be renamed for consistency. ReeseM 01:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Danube Countries

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This hasn't been properly populated and categorising countries by river doesn't seem to be a good idea. It is not an essential characteristic and keeping this would set a precedent for naming by sea, mountain range, lake and who knows what else.Hawkestone 00:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Emigrants by nationality

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The result of the debate was delete as empty, no consensus on others --Kbdank71 14:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Has only one (1) remaining subcategory as of this date, replaced by another schema.

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Category:Troubled former child stars

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 06:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is inherentaly non-neutral POV designation. All children have some "trouble". Rob 00:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep There is nothing POV about it. This is about child actors that have had drug and alcohol problems or engaged in crime, which are documented in their articles. Justforasecond 01:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Take Alyssa Milano as an example. What in that article is "documented" evidence of her being "troubled" as a child star. There's almost no citations in that article. The only "troubles" mentioned, all start when she's 18+, are not related to being a child star. So, essentially we have a negative unsourced claim, which violates WP:LIVING. This is how I see this category being misused, as nobody can draw the line on where to use it. Please realize a *huge* percentage of people have at least once consumed alcohol underage, tried marijuana, or had some other minor legal problems. --Rob 02:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Alyssa has been in porn, which fits the cat. If you don't agree, that's a problem with assigning a user to the category, not the category itself. Justforasecond 03:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    So, do you plan on adding this category to the bio of every actor/actress who's had nude and/or sex scenes as an adult, as Milano was an adult when she did what you call "porn"? Also, please be advised, asserting negative claims without a reliable source, about a living person, is a blockable offense. --Rob 04:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Please remember to remain civil, Rob, threats are not appropriate on wiki. Alyssa has been in pornographic videos. Google her and go to images, make sure your results aren't filtered. Justforasecond 04:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Citing the fact that she has been in pronographic videos as evidence that she is 'troubled' is POV! Robin Johnson 12:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The category not only contains one but two POV words, "troubled" and "stars". --musicpvm 02:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The word troubled is subjective. -- Dcflyer 03:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The category is described on the page, but it would be possible to rename this if necessary. Hard to imagine drug addiction, alcholism, and crime not being trouble, though. We can remove "stars", it was formerly "actors" but now includes singers as well. Justforasecond 03:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete as inherently POV and vague. (And since when does "porn" = "troubled"? How is that not judgmentally POV?) --MCB 06:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Let's look at the latest description of the category "Child stars that have been involved in notable controversies such as involvement or alleged involvement in crime and/or drugs and alcohol later in life, or taking part in pornographic films.":
    • "alleged" => That's code for "We don't care if it's true. We'll happily spread rumors, gossip, and lies"
    • "later in life"=> Every actress who turns 18, and does an R-Rated movie with a typical sex scene can be added, under personal opinion of what's "porn". The fact they had no "trouble" as a child doesn't matter, they're still smeared by the category. This category is actually unrelated to people being a "child star" as the inclusion criteria isn't related to their time as a child.
    • "controversies"=> In other words, anything, and everything some tabloid mentions will count.
    • "alcohol"=> We're counting people who have alcohol problems as an *adult*. A celeb gets scene drunk once at a party, and they're included. --Rob 07:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Rob, stop spreading disinformation -- "alleged" is because this is wikipedia, we don't have absolute truth. It's just like in the newspapers. The category is about alcohol abuse, drug abuse, criminal behavior, and pornography. If yall don't like the pornography clause address that on the talk page Justforasecond 15:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Far more trouble than it is worth. There should be an article mentioning some prominent examples, and indeed there already is one. Nothing else is needed. Osomec 11:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as POV category. Robin Johnson 12:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- make sure you've visited the category page to read the description before voting. Anyone who has taken a look please sign below Justforasecond 18:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Nathcer 21:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as no objective criteria for inclusion. I agree with Rob about "controversies" and with Justforasecond about "alleged", but that does not clarify who belongs and who doesn't. Carlossuarez46 22:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    the people that belong are those that have abused drugs and/or alcohol, been involved in crimes, or pornography. Justforasecond 00:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Usgnus 23:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Guys I went through all the trouble to dig up child actors that have abused drugs or alcohol (typically a DUI), or been involved in some other crime, or pornography. These are the typical troubles that we hear about all the time (Corey Haim, Corey Feldman, Dana Plato, Gary Coleman, MacCauly Culkin) but well organized and defined. Most people here don't seem to have even read the description of the category. "troubled" is a good summary for being addicted to cocaine or robbing convenience stores. This category was noticed by others immediately and has already grown to have a nicely-sized list of articles, unlike the other articles on this cfd page. Justforasecond 00:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As no one signed the section above I have to assume that no one read the category page and these "delete" comments are uniformed. Justforasecond 16:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as redirect to Category:Anthracothorax, a type of hummingbird. -- ProveIt (talk) 00:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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