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Discussion for Today[edit]
- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_July_6
July 6[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Category:Cricket administration in North America[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. It is sufficient to have Category:Cricket administration by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former Muslims turned agnostics or atheists[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Parent is Category:Converts from Islam and the sibling category is Category:Converts to Islam from atheism or agnosticism Mason (talk) 03:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge to Category:Former Muslims, Category:Agnostics and Category:Atheists per earlier discussion halfway on this page. (Not sure why this doesn't link to the right section.) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Recipients of the Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award
Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:OCAWARD Nayyn (talk) 02:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:GLAAD Media Award for Outstanding Comic Book winners[edit]
- Propose deleting Category: GLAAD Media Award for Outstanding Comic Book winners
Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:OCAWARD and as there is a list article already Nayyn (talk) 02:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Historical geography[edit]
- Option 1: rename Category:Historical geography to Category:Geographic history.
- Option 2: rename Category:Geographic history by country to Category:Historical geography by country.
- Added to option 2 on relisting:
- rename Category:Geographic history of Brazil to Category:Historical geography of Brazil (undoing cut-and-paste rename)
- rename Category:Geographic history of China to Category:Historical geography of China
- rename Category:Czech geographic history to Category:Historical geography of the Czech Republic
- rename Category:Geographic history of France to Category:Historical geography of France
- rename Category:Geographic history of Germany to Category:Historical geography of Germany
- merge Category:Geographic history of Iran to Category:Historical geography of Iran
- rename Category:Geographic history of Scotland to Category:Historical geography of Scotland
- rename Category:Geographic history of the United Kingdom to Category:Historical geography of the United Kingdom
- rename Category:Geographic history of the United States to Category:Historical geography of the United States
- merge Category:Geographic history of the United States by state to Category:Historical geography of the United States (unnecessary layer)
- rename Category:Geographic history of California to Category:Historical geography of California
- Added to option 2 on relisting:
- I can't imagine that these are fundamentally different concepts. I have tagged both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Option 2 Main article is Historical geography, while Geographic history redirects to History of geography. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Adding a representative sample of subcats to encourage further participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic London 09:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am going to tag all of the subcats; if there is no further participation I would expect this to be closed as option 2.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Afghanistan to Category:Historical geography of Afghanistan
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Albania to Category:Historical geography of Albania
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Algeria to Category:Historical geography of Algeria
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Argentina to Category:Historical geography of Argentina
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Armenia to Category:Historical geography of Armenia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Australia to Category:Historical geography of Australia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Austria to Category:Historical geography of Austria
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Azerbaijan to Category:Historical geography of Azerbaijan
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Bangladesh to Category:Historical geography of Bangladesh
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Belarus to Category:Historical geography of Belarus
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Belgium to Category:Historical geography of Belgium
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Bosnia and Herzegovina to Category:Historical geography of Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Bulgaria to Category:Historical geography of Bulgaria
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Canada to Category:Historical geography of Canada
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Croatia to Category:Historical geography of Croatia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Denmark to Category:Historical geography of Denmark
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Egypt to Category:Historical geography of Egypt
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Estonia to Category:Historical geography of Estonia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Ethiopia to Category:Historical geography of Ethiopia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Finland to Category:Historical geography of Finland
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Georgia (country) to Category:Historical geography of Georgia (country)
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Greece to Category:Historical geography of Greece
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Hungary to Category:Historical geography of Hungary
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of India to Category:Historical geography of India
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Iraq to Category:Historical geography of Iraq
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Ireland to Category:Historical geography of Ireland
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Israel to Category:Historical geography of Israel
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Italy to Category:Historical geography of Italy
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Japan to Category:Historical geography of Japan
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Laos to Category:Historical geography of Laos
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Latvia to Category:Historical geography of Latvia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Libya to Category:Historical geography of Libya
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Lithuania to Category:Historical geography of Lithuania
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Malaysia to Category:Historical geography of Malaysia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Mexico to Category:Historical geography of Mexico
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Moldova to Category:Historical geography of Moldova
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Mongolia to Category:Historical geography of Mongolia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Montenegro to Category:Historical geography of Montenegro
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Morocco to Category:Historical geography of Morocco
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Nepal to Category:Historical geography of Nepal
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of the Netherlands to Category:Historical geography of the Netherlands
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Norway to Category:Historical geography of Norway
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Pakistan to Category:Historical geography of Pakistan
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Poland to Category:Historical geography of Poland
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Portugal to Category:Historical geography of Portugal
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Romania to Category:Historical geography of Romania
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Russia to Category:Historical geography of Russia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Serbia to Category:Historical geography of Serbia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Slovakia to Category:Historical geography of Slovakia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Slovenia to Category:Historical geography of Slovenia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Somalia to Category:Historical geography of Somalia
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Spain to Category:Historical geography of Spain
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Sweden to Category:Historical geography of Sweden
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Switzerland to Category:Historical geography of Switzerland
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Syria to Category:Historical geography of Syria
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Tajikistan to Category:Historical geography of Tajikistan
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Thailand to Category:Historical geography of Thailand
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Turkey to Category:Historical geography of Turkey
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Ukraine to Category:Historical geography of Ukraine
- Propose renaming Category:Geographic history of Uzbekistan to Category:Historical geography of Uzbekistan
- Added on relisting; no opinion on whether this is a good idea or not (I simply tagged the categories). HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support for Geographical History to be changed to Historical Geography. JarrahTree 01:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Bengali–Assamese script[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Assamese scripts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bengali–Assamese script
- Propose renaming Category:Bengali script (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bengali–Assamese script
- Nominator's rationale: There is a single Bengali–Assamese script shared between the two languages, even though they use different alphabets. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong, there are multiple scripts for both languages (note the plural "scripts"), and the Bengali–Assamese script is one of these scripts used and shared by both languages (with minor differences), but there are other scripts (like Naoriya Phulo script). Look at the category content, they clearly cannot be merged as their listed scripts are not the same. They are not all the same single script. Only the Bengali-Assamese script (just named "Bengali script" in Unicode and also named "Eastern Nagari") is unified; the other scripts are distinct. As well within the "Bengali alphabet" and "Assamese alphabet" (which are relevant parts of the shared script specific to each language) are not the same (just like there are multiple Latin-base alphabets). verdy_p (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are only two articles about scripts in both categories, the rest has been added as a matter of loose association. Propose to move these two articles to the two parent categories and then delete the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on deletion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 and Verdy p: what are your thoughts on partially merging the category? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cricket organizations[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Serves no purpose, as the only contents are a subcat that is in the same parent cat as the category being discussed. Gjs238 (talk) 12:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I think it is not Category:Cricket administration that should be a subcategory of Category:Cricket organizations, but rather three particular subcategories of Category:Cricket administration should be subcategories of Category:Cricket organizations. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have boldly reorganized the category to illustrate my point. Feel free to revert and discuss. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, The category seems to have a history of folks not knowing what to make of it. The new categorization scheme is an improvement, but inconsistencies remain. For example, two subcategories are Cricket umpiring associations and Cricketers' associations. Yet over at Category:Cricket administration, the subcat Category:Cricket administration stubs is loaded with articles of "associations". If we address this by consolidating all the "associations" subcats and articles together in Category:Cricket administration, then Category:Cricket organizations ends up with only 1 subcat, which is also listed in Category:Cricket administration anyway. Gjs238 (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- That will require nominating Category:Cricket umpiring associations and Category:Cricketers' associations for merger. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- The whole problem appears to have been caused by the absence of Category:Cricket governing bodies which I have now restored as a valid subcategory of Category:Sports governing bodies by sport. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Are Marcocapelle's changes sufficient to keep the category?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jesuit musicians[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non defining intersection between occupation and religion Mason (talk) 23:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, they wrote and sung (modern) Christian music, so it is not a trivial intersection. However, I could also imagine this category to become much broader (i.e. renamed) per the list in Contemporary Catholic liturgical music. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Films directed by Wayne Kramer (filmmaker)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Needless disambiguation. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Buddhist monks from the Western Regions[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: rename, for English speaking readers of Wikipedia the term Central Asia is more familiar than Western Regions. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, as it is in effect a "former nationality" category. The article Western Regions refers to a historical period (up to 8th century CE) as well as a geographical range. All the current member pages are from that period, and renaming to "Central Asia" would lose this. "Western Regions" is named with reference to China, and its significance for Buddhism seems to be that Buddhist monks from this region took their texts into China during that period. – Fayenatic London 08:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Television series by Fox Television Animation[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Given Fox Television Animation is a former name/entity of what is currently 20th Television Animation since 2020, I propose splitting up this category to differentiate the two eras of this studio's works. All of its productions from 1999 until 2020 should remain here, while any works made since the 2020 rebrand, I propose be moved to a new Category:Television series by 20th Television Animation. For series made under both, both cats ought to be present. The category as it is can be misleading with the cat name using the former "Fox" brand despite the description using the rebranded one under Disney. An example that supports this, as noted in the prior RfD here, is that we have separate cats at "Category:20th Century Fox films" and "Category:20th Century Studios films". That RfD suggested a split rather than a rename as initially proposed last November, but was closed with no consensus as no one else responded. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Conscientious objector Medal of Honor recipients[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to parent categories per WP:NARROWCAT. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Whirly-Girls[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Whirly-Girls to Category:Helicopter pilots
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge; the name is not what these women are referred to but only the name of the organization. Note that these articles are already in Category:Women aviators by nationality. Hence only single merge. Alternative suggestion: keep and rename to Category:Women helicopter pilots which would expand the scope of the category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, I think renaming to Women Helicopter pilots is suitable and appropriate. There is currently a lack of categories on Wikipedia to suitably identify/locate topics/persons related to women's aviation. The current categories make it difficult to find these aviation pioneers, which are few and worthy of inclusion in a category as it is a defining characteristic. This is why I developed the category in the first place. Thank you for the measured discussion here. Nayyn (talk) 23:40, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- While there are categories for female aviators, gyro and rotor pilots have different certifications compared to fixed wing pilots and thus it is a unique and defining category. There are comparatively few women who are helicopter pilots overall, and a category specifically for helicopters is particularly useful addition to Wikipedia. Nayyn (talk) 23:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- as per WP:USEFUL
[t]here are some pages within Wikipedia that are supposed to be useful navigation tools and nothing more—disambiguation pages, categories, and redirects, for instance—so usefulness is the basis of their inclusion; for these types of pages, usefulness is a valid argument
Nayyn (talk) 23:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)- No, "useful" is entirely subjective. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- as per WP:USEFUL
- While there are categories for female aviators, gyro and rotor pilots have different certifications compared to fixed wing pilots and thus it is a unique and defining category. There are comparatively few women who are helicopter pilots overall, and a category specifically for helicopters is particularly useful addition to Wikipedia. Nayyn (talk) 23:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, I think renaming to Women Helicopter pilots is suitable and appropriate. There is currently a lack of categories on Wikipedia to suitably identify/locate topics/persons related to women's aviation. The current categories make it difficult to find these aviation pioneers, which are few and worthy of inclusion in a category as it is a defining characteristic. This is why I developed the category in the first place. Thank you for the measured discussion here. Nayyn (talk) 23:40, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, not a defining characteristic and women can be easily traced in Category:Women aviators by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge or rename?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)- I don't agree that "women can be easily traced in Category:Women aviators by nationality." I think the suggestion to "keep and rename to Category:Women helicopter pilots which would expand the scope of the category" makes sense.
- I'm not sure what the argument "not a defining characteristic" refers to above? Nayyn (talk) 00:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional illeists[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 19#Category:Fictional illeists then undeleted out of process. Still seems non-defining. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:G4. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- G4 doesn't fit, as it was undeleted via Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion rather than recreated. --HPfan4 (talk) 23:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is still out of process. WP:DRV would have been the right forum. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would still support deletion per WP:TRIVIALCAT. I just don't see this as a defining characteristic. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:06, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- G4 doesn't fit, as it was undeleted via Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion rather than recreated. --HPfan4 (talk) 23:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:G4. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: the characteristic is defining enough to be covered by and discussed in reliable sources (see, for example, Mantis (Marvel Comics), Elmo, Hercule Poirot). See also the discussion of Category:Illeists. --HPfan4 (talk) 22:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:TRIVIALCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This is a defining trait, and often discussed in sources. Dimadick (talk) 08:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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