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April 28

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NEW NOMINATIONS

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Baltimore City College alumni

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: as there is still an open DRV on this very matter, any immediate action on this would be inappropriate. Let DRV handle it. No action at this time. Bearcat (talk) 04:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I noted that part of the discussion was about verifiability. Those of us who have worked on this List of Baltimore City College people page have had verifiability as a goal each time we add a name. There are 159 footnotes to this page. Many of the pages don't need footnotes because the alumni have their own, usually footnoted, page. In many cases we have added verification anyway. These efforts have come over time and we continue to strive for 100% completion of verifiability; but we are near 90%. This effort should not be punished by our losing our category.67knight (talk) 22:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete useless category clutter, especially since the list is top notch. Pichpich (talk) 20:05, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - non-defining of those included, as are most high school graduates categories. List article more than suffices. Otto4711 (talk) 14:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I said the first time this whole thing came up, while it's valid as a list (either in the high school's article or as a standalone subpage if necessary), what high school a person attended simply isn't, in the grand scheme of things, a defining characteristic that's important enough to merit a category that sits on the article of each individual person. Listify and delete, just like last time. This list, in particular, is very well-done. Bearcat (talk) 03:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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All Sub-Cats of Category:Polish surnames

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 13:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For example: Category:Bogoriowie family Category:Branicki (Gryf) family Category:Branicki (Korczak) family Category:Chodkiewicz family, et al. Delete All as overcat by last name. Perhpas thier is a problem with the whole "noble families" set of cats which people seem to be using as an excuse to cat people be surname. It's silly My surname was noble at one point too (100s of years ago), can I be in a cat? --Kevlar (talk • contribs)

  • Keep The categories should certainly not be deleted; why pick on the Poles of all the other nations in Category:Noble families? They probably should be removed from the Polish surnames tree, but all the examples I looked at seemed to be clearly from the same magnate families. Johnbod (talk) 01:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I would tend to agree that categories based on particular families are eponymous overcategoraization but from a procedural standpoint the various subcats are not tagged and so this nomination is fatally flawed. Otto4711 (talk) 04:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The category is for surnames and not meant to act as the holder of categories for people sharing a surname. Nobody's picking on the Poles. There are no such subcategories for American surnames, Italian surnames, Mongolian surnames. As for Otto's comment: hey Wikipedia's not a bureaucracy. Instead of complaining, you could have simply completed the nomination. Pichpich (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All the categories nominated are also valid sub-cats of the Polish bit Category:Noble families, as stated just above. If they have also been put in an inappropriate category (as also said above), the solution is not to delete them. Otto is also perfectly correct (not that he is above using this argument against other people on occasion). It is entirely up to the nominator to do his nomination correctly. Johnbod (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not really sure what I did to warrant the personal attack but I didn't "complete the nomination" because by the time I saw the nomination it was the following day. I do not know how to add categories to a nomination from a previous day so that the links lead to the correct nom. Otto4711 (talk) 23:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Australian rules coaches

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The result of the discussion was: close discussion; Category:Australian rules coaches does not exist. Kbdank71 13:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Australian rules coaches to Category:VFL/AFL coaches
Nominator's rationale: A case of duplication as something called Category:Australian rules football coaches also exists. I suggest we keep the one with 'football' in it as it is the correct term for the sport, the other should be renamed to Category:VFL/AFL coaches because that is the name of the competition that the current pages in the category are part of. So Category:VFL/AFL coaches can became a subcategory of Category:Australian rules football coaches Crickettragic (talk) 13:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:School massacres

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 13:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:School massacres to Category:Massacres at educational institutions
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per Category talk:University shootings and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_4#Category:University_shootings, "school" doesn't include universities in the UK, but it does in the U.S. However, educational institutions should be unambiguous in both places. Superm401 - Talk 01:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, this would allow us to then put primary, secondary, and higher-level education institution killings in subcategories of this. Superm401 - Talk 01:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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