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Category:Ayurvedic Companies of India

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ayurvedic companies.--Mike Selinker (talk) 01:36, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Ayurvedic Companies of India (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow categorization. If kept rename to Category:Ayurvedic companies of India. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:50, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Geographic taxonomies

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The result of the discussion was: looks like a withdrawal. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:16, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Geographic taxonomies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: A rather strange one from Hike796, imo. A taxonomy "is the practice and science of classification." The category description states, rather obliquely, that "This category is for grouping wikiarticles associated with similar geographic taxonomies (e.g., 3 taxonomies for United States ecoregions)." Well, Category:Geography-related lists abound with all manner of things classified and grouped according to shared characteristics. A look what the creator envisions as category contents is also puzzling: the redirect Great Basin Province? His newly created Borders of the oceans? What doesn't belong in this category, I wonder? Delete as a redundant and confusing addition to the geography tree, one that has to the potential to absorb vast numbers of articles and categories into an unnecessary branch simply because they contain a "geographic taxonomy" of one kind or another. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Some of these cats are kind of like clouds, I can imagine that there is something there. Maybe this could could have been a viable group of different types of geographic classifications (political divisions, eco-regions, agricultural usage, climates, etc). I then I look at what is actually in the cat and realize it's vapor. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, in fairness to Hike those categories do all exist in one form or another. In fact, I see that Category:Ecoregions is a sub-cat of -- surprise! -- Category:Classification systems. And another sub of that very cat is... Category:Taxonomy. So I'm thinking of withdrawing this. This could be useful as a container category. I've added the some master cats and tried to populate it with a couple of viable groups as RevelationDirect| suggests, while removing individual articles. Still not sure this isn't just an unneeded duplicate branch. Please take a look. Working on Hike's categories make head hurt. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I like our little system: Hike will create some cat, I'll try to imagine some way it might actually be useful, and then Shawn will make it happen! Keep.
  • Just to speak things along, I am now at least neutral and have struck through my deletion rationale. RevelationDirect, above, has changed to keep. So I think we can close and keep. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:16, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Upcoming mixed martial arts events

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 01:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Upcoming mixed martial arts events to Category:Scheduled mixed martial arts events
Nominator's rationale: To match parent category Category:Scheduled sports events. Armbrust Talk Contribs 21:20, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Upcoming is the term most often used in this sport, Scheduled mixed martial arts events sounds awkward and improper.(Justinsane15 (talk) 07:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]
  • Rename for consistency. I don't think this is an issue that we can defer to what is used in every different sport. This is a descriptive category, not a proper name category, so there is no harm in adopting a standard Wikipedia naming convention for events that are in the future, and right now this is "scheduled". Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Current Wikipedia birthdays

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Current Wikipedia birthdays (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This category simply doesn't work. It's listing users with userboxes that say November 11, while it is now January 1. Logan Talk Contributions 20:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Surely this is a problem with template code of {{User Wikipedian for}} that would add a user to this category when today's date coincides with the user's birth date. I suggest that is where this should be addressed properly. __meco (talk) 20:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is this: Help:Category#Adding a category by using a template. If people's userpages don't get updated or the cache doesn't get cleared, it takes a long time for them to leave the template. As for whether the category should be used in general, see the outcome of the previous deletion discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_April_5#Category:Current_Wikipedia_birthdays. rʨanaɢ (talk) 23:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is useful for the Wikipedians who go around and want to wish those who are celebrating their birthday. I'm sure the problem can be fixed but there's no reason that it should be deleted because of a mistake like this. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I imagine it would be fairly easy to fix with a bot that goes through the category once a day and null-edits the pages in it. That wasn't necessary in the past because I was doing it by hand, but I haven't been doing that for a while. rʨanaɢ (talk) 10:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Congratulating people on their birthdays is social networking but supporting that is not Wikipedia's mission. Compare with WP:NOTMEMORIAL Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, social networking, or memorial site, which expressly rules out use of article space for general recording of deaths. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 20:13, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify and delete. As the person who nominated this for deletion a long time ago, I still believe categories should be for encyclopedic use. However, wishing users a happy wiki-birthday potentially does have morale-boosting effects on Wikipedia so I wouldn't totally discount the process, just not via use of a category. The lag problem seemingly would be eliminated if listified as well. Someone would have to go through transclusions of the template to properly listify it though, which would be a good amount of work unless a bot was brought in. VegaDark (talk) 04:52, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • As I already explained at the last deletion discussion, which was closed as "keep", a list wouldn't do the same job this does (a list can't be automatically be populated by a template like a category can). You are suggesting a bot to solve the problem; if your solution and my solution (above) both need bots, what makes yours any more efficient? rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Prehistoric animals

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The result of the discussion was: keep for now, without prejudice to a broader nomination that discusses a broader group of categories that use "prehistoric". (Category was also untagged, so we probably didn't get the level of participation that we might otherwise if notification were properly made on the category page.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prehistoric animals Nominator's rationale: Too broad – basically includes all animals, alive or fossil. Poorly defined and not practical. Suggest use of Category:Cambrian life and similar categories. Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 20:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • This category can't reasonably be considered on its own. It's currently the parent of an extensive subcategory structure, going as many as four levels deep in some cases and all using "prehistoric" in their names. A search shows nearly 700 categories beginning with "prehistoric", the vast majority of which appear to be for animals. So deleting this would just leave all of those without an obvious parent. Even assuming all of those were tagged in a mass deletion nomination, it's also possible that many articles would need to be merged somewhere, such as into period-specific categories or into "Extinct foo" categories. So overall, deleting all "prehistoric" animal-related categories would be a very massive category change, regardless of its merits. postdlf (talk) 20:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete in principle. "Prehistoric" is a rather poor mode of categorization; instead, I'd prefer for organisms to be categorized according to the geological period (e.g., Cambrian) in which they occur. As Postdlf says, that would be a huge operation, however. Ucucha 16:38, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep for now This is part of the Category:Prehistoric life category tree. If 'prehistoric' is not a good word, then a complete alternative category tree needs to be proposed or built first. And anyway 'prehistoric' is a very popular term. Proof should be offered that is so unscientific as to be untenable for use in WP. Hmains (talk) 02:52, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename -- "Prehistoric" refers in England to BC in some regions to a period as late (or later than) 1000 BC. The fauna for this period (part of the Holocene) is much the same as today. I presume that the object is to deal with fauna that became extinct in past geological eras. If so, I would suggest a rename to Category:Extinct animals. This will no doubt need to be followed up by a mass rename nom. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Opposition against islam in Europe

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Opposition against Islam in Europe. There's no consensus on anything greater than capitalization here.--Mike Selinker (talk) 01:31, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Opposition against islam in Europe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Duplicates other categories such as Anti-Muslem Organisations Snowded TALK 18:28, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I see no duplication. The category is a run-of-the-mill diffusion of Category:Opposition against Islam, which along with the nominated category also was created today. Category:Anti-Muslim organizations (created two weeks ago) is a subset of that category albeit along a different vector (organizations) than the nominated category (by region). I would also admonish nominator not to depopulate the category while the CfD is on.[1][2]. __meco (talk) 20:36, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well it might make sense to combine the two then Meco, otherwise admonish all you want the BNP and EDL pages see lots of efforts to try and make out that those organisations are not far right and in the former case fascist organisations. Creating categories is one tactic that has been used. --Snowded TALK 11:41, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
rename. I agree, it should capitalized. Regarding to the 'Anti-islam sentiment' remark, I'd like to refer to my reply to Chrono1084's comment. Pereant antiburchius (talk) 21:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I meant to create an umbrella category for general opposition against islam in Europe, NOT (only) anti-islam organisations, but general opposition: opposers (people/politicians) from Europe, opposers (groups) in Europe, movements and ideologies, islam-opposing events and demonstrations in Europe, discussion platforms, interviews. Indeed, this can be further sub-categorized, but all subjects above show a strong connection between them. Therefore I contest the deletion, because this broad spectrum should be viewable as one entity. Also, the term 'anti-islam' is a superlative; it implies agression and violent extremism against islam. Opposition is milder. By this reason the two categories cannot be merged. IF any merging should occur between the subjects 'anti-islam', 'opposition of' and 'criticism of', the subject 'opposition of' should be chosed because implies the broadest spectrum. Pereant antiburchius (talk) 14:56, 8 January 2011 (UTC) I'd like to add that anti-islam implies that it denounces the faith as a whole, where opposition implies denouncement of certain elements of the faith (such as the status of women or freedom of speech). The lable 'anti-islam' is more harsh and severe and does not always apply to these articles and/or categories. Pereant antiburchius (talk) 15:03, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Good point. (We still capitalize "Islam," though) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 16:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Rename. Of course, that's my bad. Pereant antiburchius (talk) 13:41, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for commenting. Could you please point out where this category violates BLP policy? And if it does, why doesn't a category like 'anti-islam sentiment' violate this very same policy? Pereant antiburchius (talk) 21:02, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Although those categories can have an overlap with 'Opposition against Islam', they are not the same. The argument 'are already enough' does not apply if categories simply aren't the same. Yes, they can be closely related, but consider the following. Someone can be critical of Islam, but can still be a Muslim. When we talk about opposition of Islam, there's a considerable shift in the pro-/con- spectrum. Anti-Islam is the extremist/radical (negative) far end category for extremism against Islam, containing articles about besmearing or arson of mosques, violence against Muslims and ritual Qur'an burning. You can't just pile them all together in one category 'criticism of..' or 'anti-islam'. Pereant antiburchius (talk) 20:55, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Could you point to sources that make that distinction? I've never heard "anti-Islam" only used to mean violence, and I doubt most of the other editors here have. Occasionally you get these forks that people think are distinct phenomena (other discussions I've been in: "anti-abortion" and "pro-life" are apparently two separate movements because "anti-abortion" is secular and "pro-life" is religious, "matriarchy" apparently only ever means rule by mothers so a separate article has to exist on rule by women) that just...aren't distinct phenomena. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also, we have Category:Criticism of Islam for the stuff you mentioned above viz. opposition to the subjection of women and whatnot. I think the categories are conflated a lot, but that's a separate problem. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
@Pereant antiburchius, I'm still not convinced by your arguments--Chrono1084 (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Preserved railway stations

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:24, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Preserved railway stations to Category:Heritage railway stations
Nominator's rationale: Looking at the other contents of parent Category:Rail transport preservation, I see that the adjective "Preserved" seems to be reserved for rolling stock. Suggested rename also brings category into line with its sole contents to date, the subcategory Category:Heritage railway stations in England.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: What a mess. This category consists of the following:

  • A subcat with British stations on heritage railroads which have legal protections against demolition.
  • A subcat with American railroad bridges, tunnels, engines, districts and, yes, stations on commercial lines which do not have protection from demolition.
  • Loose articles on the Long Island commuter railroad whose legal status I'm unsure of.

In other words it's the same thing as the Historic and Heritage Railroad Station cats before it. I don't see a workable subcat that brings these three groups together. RevelationDirect (talk) 19:59, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:ATP Challenger Series

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:ATP Challenger Series to Category:ATP Challenger Tour
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization, because ATP Challenger Series is the former name of the ATP Challenger Tour. Don't see why there should be two categories, for essentially the same thing. Armbrust Talk Contribs 16:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Eastern Uusimaa

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:People from Eastern Uusimaa to Category:People from Uusimaa
Nominator's rationale: Merge. The region of Eastern Uusimaa was consolidated with Uusimaa today. Eastern Uusimaa existed as a separate region only from 1997 until 2010, and many of the categorized people did not actually live in the region during this period, so I don't see a reason to keep the category as historical reference. --Silvonen (talk) 08:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Deaths from motor neurone disease

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The result of the discussion was:
keep Category:Deaths from motor neurone disease
rename Category:Motor neuron disease to Category:Motor neurone disease
rename Category:People with motor neuron disease to Category:People with motor neurone disease
with redirects on categories with alternate spellings. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Deaths from motor neurone disease to Category:Deaths from motor neuron disease
Nominator's rationale: I has started to speedy this before realizing it's a judgment call rather than a clear x of y (or spelling mistake, as I had first assumed). The top-level Category:Motor neuron disease spells it without the "e" as does the intermediate Category:People with motor neuron disease. The parent article uses the "e" per Motor neurone disease, while displaying Motor neuron as an alternate spelling in the lead. Nowhere on its Talk page is this addressed as problematic. Suggest simply renaming this category so that the entire branch is consistent. Alansohn and others may wish to use use the title article as the model and rename the rest of category branch to neurone: I'd have no objection to that, either. But note that the article name and the term used in the lead are inconsistent in yet another way, as article begins in the plural with "The motor neurone diseases (or motor neuron diseases)..." Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Rename Category:Motor neuron disease to Category:Motor neurone disease
Rename Category:People with motor neuron disease to Category:People with motor neurone disease adding "e" to match main article. I hope I have tagged the additional subjects correctly. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:11, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Railway-related National Historic Landmarks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. DB OC small. While expansion is possible, these articles are already in ample historic railway categories so it is not clear that this specific category is needed. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:San Juan Basin

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:San Juan Basin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Another small single entry category with limited short term growth potential. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:24, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Laguna Madre Watershed

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Laguna Madre Watershed (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Single entry category that already rolls up into Category:Drainage basins of the Gulf of Mexico. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:16, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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