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Category:Evelyn King (singer)

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:04, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. With only albums and songs categories, this is an unnecessary eponymous parent category. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:35, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:17th-century British people

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The result of the discussion was: delete and upmerge contents to Category:17th-century European people and Category:17th-century people by nationality. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. For good or ill (mostly for ill IMHO) CFD has repeatedly stated that the word "British" in category trees is the demonym representing citizens of Great Britain (1707-1800) or the United Kingdom (1801 - present day). Neither GB nor the UK existed in the 17th-century. Mais oui! (talk) 12:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:17th century in the British Empire

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:17th century in the English colonial empire and Category:17th-century establishments in the English colonial empire. I note that there are subcategories not included in this nomination that use the phrase "British Empire". Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:38, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Rename. changed from a CFD to a CFR. On reflection, all the articles are about the English Empire, so we should call a spade a spade. Mais oui! (talk) 12:02, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
IMHO I do not think that English Empire should be a disambiguation page. It would be better as a redirect to English colonial empire, or, probably better, vice versa (see reliable ext refs, eg: "Envisioning An English Empire: Jamestown And The Making Of The North Atlantic World", Robert Appelbaum, John Wood Sweet, University of Pennsylvania Press, 2005 or "The English empire in America, 1602-1658: beyond Jamestown", Louis H. Roper, Pickering & Chatto, 2009). Then the ambiguousness (see eg. The English Empire: Its Structure and Spirit 1497-1953, Eric Anderson Walker, Bowes and Bowes, 1953) could be dealt with by a hatnote, in the normal fashion. --Mais oui! (talk) 04:48, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:African American history by school

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Historically black schools. Dana boomer (talk) 02:38, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I am not sure precisely what is being categorized here, and I have requested clarification from the category creator, but the title is incorrect. The category does not (as the title suggests) contain content, sorted by school, about African-American history. Instead, it contains articles about 20 historically black schools.
There is a high degree (about 75%) of overlap with Category:Historically segregated African American schools in the United States and Category:Historically black universities and colleges in the United States, which leads me to think that the category should be merged into those two. For reference, the 'unique' members are: Curry Normal and Industrial Institute, Freetown Rosenwald School, Grand Bay Elementary School for Colored, Noyes Academy and Victoria Colored School. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:African American establishments

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Populated places established by African Americans. The Bushranger One ping only 22:33, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The title is ambiguous and fails to convey the declared scope of the category, which is "current and former populated places established by or for African Americans". The phrase African American establishments has at least two other meanings: business establishments owned or operated by or for African Americans (e.g., a restaurant owned by an African American or catering primarily to African-American customers); and entities, such as businesses, churches, schools and other organizations, established by African Americans.
With regard to the category's scope, I think that that the purpose of establishment is more significant than the race of the founder. The former reflects a significant detail about the history and purpose of a settlement whereas the latter reflects a detail, which may or may not be significant, about a founder. The problem is, however, that I cannot think of a name better than Category:Populated places established for African Americans.
An alternative to renaming is to convert the category into a List of settlements established for African Americans that could provide key information such as who established the settlement, when, for whom, and so on. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:41, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:African American segregated schools in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Since official segregation of schools is no longer legal in the U.S., this category is not likely to ever contain anything other than Category:Historically segregated African American schools in the United States‎. Thus, there is no real need for this intermediate layer. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:50, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support - This proposal would work fine. The extra category layer in the current structure resulted from a rather convoluted CFD discussion, but I don't recall what the argument was that led to the addition of extra layers. --Orlady (talk) 22:26, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dexter characters

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Dexter (series) characters. There is consensus to rename to something, but as to which one the opinions are split down the middle, so I'm defaulting to the broader, less specific name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:30, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Clarifying my earlier nom. Since the main article is located at Dexter (TV series) and the main category is Category:Dexter (TV series), then it's appropriate to rename this as well. Note that my earlier speedy nomination was contested. —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:40, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy nomination

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Category:Predominantly African American Christian denominations

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Historically African-American Christian denominations and Category:Clergy of historically African-American Christian denominations. While a sudden alteration in membership could conceivably change the "predominantly" part, it can't change the history. There's no consensus on the "black" vs. "African-American" part, but I am adding the hyphen to conform with similar recent changes.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:34, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The key article for this category is Black church, which defines the term as "Christian churches that minister to predominantly African-American congregations in the United States." In other words, the phrase "black church" captures precisely what the category's unwieldy title attempts to explain.
Furthermore, the term 'black church' is widely recognized as a distinct class of entity by reliable sources, which refer to it as such: The Black Church in the African American Experience (Duke University Press, 1990); Mighty Like a River: The Black Church and Social Reform (Oxford University Press, 2003); Black Church Beginnings: The Long-Hidden Realities Of The First Years (Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 2004); The Black Church In America: African American Christian Spirituality (John Wiley & Sons, 2006); and countless others.
A previous discussion, held in 2007, about this category ended without consensus. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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