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Category:Lists of media based on books

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 09:44, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lists of media based on books to Category:Lists of films based on books

To better reflect the category contents. - jc37 21:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as nom. - jc37 21:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename if someone comes up with Category:Lists of TV shows based on books we can revist the issue then, or I guess also Category:Lists of radio shows based on books.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:40, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, rename without prejudice to re-creation if justified by new lists along different lines. – Fayenatic London (talk) 17:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Books based on television series

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The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Lists of books based on works to Category:Lists of novels based on works. I don't see a consensus for renaming to Category:Lists of books based on productions in other media forms, and there is not a consensus for renaming to Category:Lists of novels based on works either. However, there is a consensus that the current name should be changed, so I'm going with the nominated form which simply changes "books" to "novels". I see this as probably preferable to a "do-nothing" no consensus result. This is without prejudice to a future nomination to rename the category.

per WP:NCB. - jc37 21:05, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rename/merge as nom. - jc37 21:05, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the Category:QI books are not novels, they are non-fiction. novels based on television series can be created as a subcategory if wanted. No opposition to the lists of books based on works part of the nomination. Tim! (talk) 06:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if we merge all the novels from the books cat, I'm not positive, but I think we'd only be left with the one subcat you noted. - jc37 06:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose many entries are not novels, even if you ignore QI books. If you checked the X-Files, Dad's Army or Space:1999 articles, you'd see that. I Am Spock is a Leonard Nimoy autobiography, so how does that count as a novel? 70.49.124.225 (talk) 10:47, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, you sold me. Struck that part of the nom. - jc37 12:32, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename but to something more meaningful. I can't work out from its name or contents what this category is intended to represent. I know I'm not being very helpful! --Northernhenge (talk) 18:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Lists of books based on productions in other media forms.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per John Pack Lambert. Lists of books based on productions in other media forms is significantly easier to interpret. --Northernhenge (talk) 12:30, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - "Other media forms" isn't accurate however, unless one considers games and toys (among other things) as "media forms". See User:Vegaswikian's concerns in the nom directly below. That said, if you would like to see all the subcats of Category:Creative works renamed from using "works" as you feel it's too vague, please feel free to start that group nom. But until then, I'd just like these subcats to match. The main reason that this nom is separate from the one below is that when I nominated it, my concern was to have the name reflect the category's members. So changing from "books" to "novels" seemed appropriate per WP:NCB. But if we're going to consider changing more than that in the name, then we should probably take the nom directly below into consideration as well. - jc37 12:52, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename, works for me. – Fayenatic London (talk) 17:48, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Works based on media

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The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated for now, without prejudice to further tweaking. Feel free to renominate at any time with a new proposed name. For now, this bring the categories into closer naming conformity with the rest of the tree. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:00, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Games based on media to Category:Games based on works

To bring it in line with the other works by works subcats of Category:Works by source. - jc37 20:57, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as nom - jc37 20:57, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment at this point. I think I oppose the rename to Category:Television programs based on works as ambiguous. Works is ambiguous. The Colosseum is a work and a structure. Yet we have had, I believe, several television programs based on that building. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:55, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, technically, the colosseum is an object of architecture, and architecture is considered a medium of art. (Per Fine art.) So based on your arguement, "media" would be just as vague.

That aside, I'm merely trying to bring these in line with the rest of Category:Works by source, Category:Works based on works and Category:Lists of works based on works. - jc37 23:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not opposing a rename, just saying that the proposed target has issues. I do wonder if there is a good solution and if not which would be the lesser problem. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:14, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I understand the concern. And while I'm tempted to suggest "creative works" per Category:Creative works, all the rest of the cats merely use "works", so we'd be setting things up fo a rather large group nom if we made that change. Plus, I'm thinking of some current noms where it is suggested that "time" is redundant when using "time period", so I have a feeling that "creative works" might be opposed on those grounds as well. - jc37 07:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – one somehow knows upon seeing Category:Works based on works that one is about to enter Stefanomione's weird world of interlocking categories, whence one will emerge head-spinning and none the wiser. 'Films based on works', 'Works based on films', 'Media based upon media', paradigms and parameters lurking round every corner. Oculi (talk) 23:42, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're not far off, though some of these pre date stephanomine AFAICT. For now, just trying to settle on one term (works) instead of the varying works/media/medium. And quite a few of these are no longer categorized together due to previous noms deleting various linking cats. It's a mess, though at least a chunk of it is nearly cleaned up : ) - jc37 23:53, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Category:Lists of foo based on productions in other media forms seems significantly clearer than "<foo> based on works", but oddly "works based on foo" makes perfect sense to me. --Northernhenge (talk) 12:36, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As I note in the nom above, I don't think that everyone would agree that all toys and games (etc.) would be considered "other media forms". (Pinball machines, for example.) - jc37 11:41, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Blow The Fuse Records albums

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. No contributions apart from the nominator, who didn't specify category what to upmerge to, or what title to rename to. A little more explanation of a nominator's intentions helps other editors to assess the proposal without having to do all the research themselves. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge: Per main article being a redirect. At the very least, rename per WP:CAPS. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:38, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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