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Category:List of upcoming Pakistani films

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge into Category:Pakistani films. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is a category, not a list. DexDor (talk) 21:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
sorry, fixed.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:17, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bengali intellectuals killed in 1971

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The result of the discussion was: MERGE to Category:People killed in the Bangladesh Liberation War‎. This is marginal tending to delete, but does not quite have the convergence of opinion that looks like a rough consensus - however, there is agreement that the category should not remain as it is, and a good target has been identified that seems like the real meaning of the category anyway. -Splash - tk 22:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Post closure note: Actually, all 6 articles in the nominated category were already in the merge target, so this actually amounted to a straight delete in effect (only). Splash - tk 22:24, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We don't have a category for "Bengali intellectuals" (that this could be a child of) and we don't normally (AFAIK) categorize by the combination of nationality, occupation and year-of-death. The two articles currently in this category are in plenty of other categories including Category:1971 deaths. DexDor (talk) 21:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator. How do you define if a person is a intellectual?...William 13:57, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Pornographic film actors of Spanish ethnicity

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The result of the discussion was: DELETE. -Splash - tk 22:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Spanish" is a nationality, not an ethnicity, and this category duplicates existing and more clearly defined category schemes. Pornographic film actors of Spanish nationality are categorized in Category:Spanish pornographic film actors. Pornographic film actors of another nationality, but of Spanish descent, are categorized in the appropriate Category:Fooian pornographic film actors and Category:Fooian people of Spanish descent; for example, Lexxi Tyler is in Category:American female pornographic film actors and Category:American people of Spanish descent. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:01, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Pet molluscs

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The result of the discussion was: delete. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:34, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Being a pet is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of things like Octopus and Snail (or even, IMO, Achatina fulica). I don't think listifying is needed, but the cat could be listified to Pets#Wild. Note: Should this CFD result in deletion other subcategories of Category:Animals kept as pets should be checked, although some (e.g. Category:Dogs as pets are probably fine). DexDor (talk) 20:57, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - an animal species is not defined by whether or not someone kept a particular representative of the animal as a pet. Potentially any non-extinct animal could be kept as a pet by someone. Individual pet animals should be categorized under Category:Individual animals and its sub-categories. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 22:15, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Animal species most definitely can be classified according to whether they are commonly kept as pets, as evidenced by abundant sources covering the keeping of certain species (or of more general taxonomic groups) but not others. The categorization is both useful to readers and also clear-cut enough to be supportable by reliable sources. For this category alone there are entire books dedicated to, say, snail care for home aquarists. That "potentially any non-extinct animal could be kept as a pet" is a specious argument, as that's not what this and other pet categories are intended for. —Psychonaut (talk) 09:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • To me it appears that this and its sibling categories are intended to capture any animal that can be or has been kept as a pet. That is borne out by the contents of this category. Why, what do you think they're intended for?
  • I agree that categories should be created and maintained that encompass the concept of pet care and indeed we have some, e.g. Category:Cats as pets. But not categories for animals that are or may be pets. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete we should also delete the other pet categories - which sources are used to determine 'commonly kept as pets'? Are we talking about now, in America, or are we talking about what pets Sumerian kings would keep? Better to turn these into lists, as being-kept-as-a-pet is not defining of snails or octopi. We could keep topic cats like dogs-as-pets but linking individual species here is a bad idea, so I would support clearing the other ones too. Amongst Las Vegas magicians, white tigers are common pets but I don't think this is defining of the white tiger as species. A list could better capture volume on a per country basis of pet-keeping which would allow us to see relative levels of pet-osity for different species - but as a category it's too subjective.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:07, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I'm not conceptually against a domesticated animal cat and ones commonly kept as pets might qualify. But these animals are rarely kept as pets and Giant African Snail should not be kept as one. Just because some fool puts a walrus in their pool... RevelationDirect (talk) 23:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- Whether capitve octopoi, snails, etc are pets is debatable anyway. However this is categoirising species, not specifically pets. Possibly it might be listified as molluscs that can be kept as pets, but do we really need that? Peterkingiron (talk) 12:42, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People made famous by their deaths

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The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete. 'Famous' is POV and generally avoided in category names. Gilliam (talk) 18:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We already have categories that serve the purpose you suggest (i.e. Category:Deaths by person), so I don't see why this would be needed. Bearcat (talk) 02:47, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:The West Wing stubs

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:05, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. The dedicated fans of The West Wing have made a West Wings stub category unnecessary. There have not been more than a handful of stubs for this category for a considerable amount of time. Keep and upmerge template, and delete category. Dawynn (talk) 15:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Scottish Professional Football League players

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:32, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Merge. WP:OC#NARROW. As per my nomination regarding managers, we do not split Category:Scottish Football League players by which division they played in. Having a category for each division will cause up to four categories on each page as players move up and down the divisions due to promotion and relegation. Similarly, Category:The Football League players (covering three divisions in the English football league system) is not split by division. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 12:29, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 12:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Scottish Professional Football League managers

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:35, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Merge. WP:OC#NARROW. The Scottish Professional Football League now covers all of the top four divisions of the Scottish football league system. We do not divide Category:Scottish Football League managers by which division(s) the managers operated in, e.g. Alex Ferguson (who managed East Stirlingshire, St. Mirren and Aberdeen in the Scottish leagues) is categorised under Category:Scottish Football League managers, not Category:Scottish Football League Premier Division managers, etc. Having a category for all four divisions will lead to a proliferation of categories as players move up and down the divisions as there is promotion and relegation between each level. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 12:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 12:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Yusuf Islam albums

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The result of the discussion was: keep. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:37, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Merge. It seems these albums should all be under the Cat Stevens category since they are the same person and that category matches the title of the main article. A category redirect would be appropriate, however. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 10:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Women in space

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn by nominator Holding off for possible merge/rename of Mothers in space.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:49, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unneeded genderizing category; no demonstration that women have a special relationship with outer space that is different than the relationship men have with space. We already have a Category:Female astronauts category, but this one as a parent isn't needed unless we're willing to create Category:Men in space as well. Women are humans, and Category:Human spaceflight is a perfectly reasonable place for any articles we have here. All existing articles are categorized elsewhere, so no need to merge. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 00:32, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There is a rather clear and defining common characteristic that exists at this point in terms of women in space, as exemplified by the coverage in Mothers in space of gestational issues in space. As usual, nothing in Wikipedia is needed and arguments of the "isn't needed" sort demonstrate a lack of any legitimate policy based justification for deletion. Alansohn (talk) 01:39, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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