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The result of the discussion was:MOOT. It appears that the nominator is happy with a de-subcategorisation approach. As far as I can see no category by the name the nominator refers to currently appears in this category, so I think the nomination is moot. In any case, there is no consensus that this one should be deleted or renamed as proposed. -Splash - tk22:04, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: NPOV. Suggesting Middle Eastern Jews have an Arab descent is controversial (see: Arab Jews), while "Middle Eastern descent" is neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben tetuan (talk • contribs) 19:35, 30 November 2013
Delete In the case of Israel this is not how people are actually defined. They either are Arabs, or they are not Arabs. Attempts to classify Jews as having either Arab or Middle Eastern descent is just a bad idea.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- With the exception of Category:Arab citizens of Israel and one bio-article, this is a container category for Israelis (presumably mostly Jewish) from Arab countries; often with a sub-cat for emigrants from Foo to Israel. The Jews are ultimately a Semitic people; so are the Arabs; but that does not means that the Jews are Arabs. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:23, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete racial/ethnic/descent category. Frankly, how a government classifies people by race/ethnicity/etc. is usually not rational or clades genetically. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 08:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not as stupid as you think peter. It is a simple matter to classify the moroccan descent under Israelis people of African descent. I should have noted that this was a change of scope but I thought that was rather obvious.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't oppose to leave the category and just remove from it the subcategories of Jews from the MENA region (though then it would be left just with sub-Category:Arab citizens of Israel). The main point here is that it's controversial to claim Jews from Arab countries are Arabs or have Arab descent so we shouldn't include them in this category.Ben tetuan (talk) 00:28, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Most Jewish Israelis are also ultimately of Middle Eastern descent (otherwise Israel, which is clearly in the Middle East, wouldn't be the Jewish homeland, would it?), so the proposed category name makes no sense. But actually, I see no problem with the current name anyway. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:18, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. I created this because they were showing in Category:Carry On films, which was obviously not appropriate. I have no problem with deleting, as long as we do not upmerge, but note that they are crew members, not actors, so nominators rationale is wrong. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:57, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- I am sure that we do not need categories for crew. The normal case of PERF categories concerns actors, but crew articles will be at least as bad. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:29, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - while possibly not explicit in PERF all of the same rationales apply. Crew can work on any number of projects in the course of a career and establishing categories for every such project would result in vast useless category clutter. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 01:52, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Oppose The coloquialism is so widespread that I think COMMONNAME comes into play. If someone convinces me that is a regional English variation, I would change my opinion though.RevelationDirect (talk) 23:41, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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