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Category:Disco films

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The result of the discussion was: delete, without prejudice to re-creation if a definition can be written and applied properly, as discussed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:31, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Convert Category:Disco films to article List of disco films
Nominator's rationale: It's not clear what the inclusion criteria for this category is, and it appears to currently be being used (and sometimes erroneously) for any movie in which any disco song appears, which doesn't seem appropriate for categorization to my mind. Also of note is that there's no article such as Disco film (that I could find) to make it more clear what would be appropriate for inclusion here. A sourced list seems like a better way of handling this. DonIago (talk) 13:13, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I don't specifically remember creating this category, but apparently I did. Thanks Doniago for notifying me of the nomination. In all likelihood, I noticed that there was no equivalent category to Category:Rock music films (and other sub-categories of Category:Films by music genre) for films about the disco era. I'm fairly neutral on converting it to a list. It makes some amount of sense. I don't see this category as significantly different than the others mentioned above, though, most of which also contain no clear definition nor an article (like Rock music films or Jazz films) - Themightyquill (talk) 13:47, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In theory, I can see the validity of this category for some films — Saturday Night Fever being the obvious no-brainer — but I agree with the nominator that it's getting used for a lot of films whose connection to a "disco genre" of film is tenuous at best (Behind the Candelabra and Airplane!, for instance, are not "disco films" per se, but merely have a disco song on the soundtrack, or a brief scene set in a discotheque, because of their time settings). So it's not necessarily an unreasonable category per se, but it is getting used incorrectly. Purge of all films not defined by their disco-ness. Bearcat (talk) 17:35, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment (from a non-expert). I would suggest that the category be kept, but with a tighter definition of what qualifies and it should then be purged of items that do not belong. That assumes that a robust tight definition can be provided. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:07, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be amenable to that, though I worry that six months from now, regardless of the definition, we'd be right back where we started. In any case, the definition provided at the Rock music category referenced above could probably be adapted, if this is the direction we want to pursue. DonIago (talk) 19:54, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete suffers the usual problems of films about... categories, though phrased differently. Moreover, categorizing films by the type of music that's played in them or whether there's a scene in a disco, is just not a useful or real-world categorization scheme. Against an article creation because there are no reliable sources that any of these are "disco films", much less how such is defined. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:35, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and purge per the suggestion of Peterkingiron. Dimadick (talk) 00:31, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Philosophy of disciplines

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:48, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename to make it less ambiguous with regard to the fact that it concerns disciplines of science. This nomination and the next four ones are related to this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:39, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm honestly open to other non-scientific "discipline" categories if you have a specific subject area in mind. But "disciplines" in general seems like it is too broad to help readers find what they are looking for. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:History of disciplines

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The result of the discussion was: rename and purge, as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:52, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename to a less ambiguous name, to make clear that it concerns disciplines of science - and purge, move content that isn't about scientific disciplines to Category:History by topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:38, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I observe that "topic" exists and is a parent of what we are discussing, so that this would be a partial upmerge. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:06, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the notion of where some disciplines self identify as sciences (contrary to assertions in this discussion) - the notion of specific History by subject topic or discipline seems a sensible move JarrahTree 11:17, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works in the philosophy of disciplines

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The result of the discussion was: rename as proposed. SSTflyer 11:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, this concerns disciplines of science, the proposed name is less ambiguous about that. The proposed format is similar as Category:Philosophy of science literature which should become a child category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:35, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works about the history of disciplines

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:55, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, this concerns disciplines of science so the contents should be in the science category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:33, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works about the development of disciplines

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:53, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, "development" is not a defining characteristic of the content of this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:31, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina footballers in England

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per consensuses in WP:Footy, and to avoid overcategorization, a wide cat for sportspeople should be created first. So for XXX expatriate footballers in YYY were all deleted (correct me it is not; even Brazilian were not subcategorized). Matthew_hk tc 09:26, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- This is an appalling mouthful. I just wonder whether we need this triple intersection. An alternative might be a broader upmerge. Certainly UK not England, but we should ensure that an expatriate B&H footballer category survives. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:17, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. It's only a long name because the country names and the standard WP format makes it that way. Category names are not required to be short and pithy, especially when they contain long compound nouns. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:12, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Paintings by national location

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The result of the discussion was: relisted here. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 01:00, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is the only category on Wikipedia that seems to be named "by national location", as far as I can tell. It is for categorizing articles on individual paintings by their physical location by country, and is child to Category:Arts by country. It subcategories, such as Category:Paintings in United States, are children to Category:Arts in the United States, which is part of Category:Categories by country. Through I feel that "by national location" is perhaps a bit more clear, we have a dilemma: rename for standardization or consider introducing an entirely new tree for many other concepts that would be "by national location". And considering that we have Category:Sculptures by country, and so on, which work pretty well, I think we should just rename this outlier and move on. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:33, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Dutch Brazil

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The result of the discussion was: delete; merge contents of Category:1648 in Dutch Brazil to Category:Dutch Brazil, Category:1648 in Brazil, and Category:1640s in Dutch Brazil. There may also be a good case for deleting Category:1640s in Dutch Brazil. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:19, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, there are two articles for three year categories in a very short-lived colony. After merging, the (grand)parent container categories can be deleted as empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Political engineering by coup

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The result of the discussion was: delete (and distribute contents as discussed). Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:24, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete as this is not a defining characteristic, the term "political engineering" is not even mentioned in many articles. The contents of this category should be moved partly to Category:Coups d'état and partly to Category:Military dictatorships. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nowpunk films

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not exactly a specific genre of film. Quick internet search does not suggest the importance of said genre (only Sterling, the inventor of the term, seems to use it in any serious sense) (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=nowpunk&safe=off&tbm=bks) and (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=nowpunk&safe=off) Andrzejbanas (talk) 05:45, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Actors Studio members

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:58, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCASSOC and WP:NONDEFINING
The Actors Studio is a prominent theatrical school in New York City known for method acting. The school offers training on site as well as Masters Degrees in association Pace U and previously with the New School so we have a separate "Category:Actors Studio alumni" for that purpose. In contrast, this membership category consists of 300+ professional actors who belong to the organization both as a social club and to support training new actors. A few articles in the category do mention this membership in passing (Will Hare) while most don't mention it at all (Jack Nicholson, Jane Fonda, Dustin Hoffman). - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:03, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notified DavidESpeed as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Theatre. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:03, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- We do not normally categorise by membership of an organisations, though there are some exceptions, such as Fellow of the Royal Society. The alumni category (covering both the sponsored institutions) is certainly legitimate. Those who had been through some earlier (less formal training) might be added to that, but I am dubious of the merits of having a category for club members. Peterkingiron (talk) 09:36, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NONDEF. While membership of Actors Studio has been added quite consistently in the Wikipedia articles that are in this category, it gives the impression that it's a single-editor issue. For example in the Internet Movie Database membership of Actors Studio remains pretty unnoticeable. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete. For information, in case there is a need of further listification, there was currently only Julie Meyer in this category. She wasn't an "overall winner" of that year though. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
The introduction to the main article, says that "according to Ernst & Young, in the 25 years the award has been given, there have been over 10,000 individuals recognized, an average of over 400 per year." Lisfifying doesn't seem to be a viable option here. I have found some biography articles that mention the award but it doesn't seem defining especially since it's given early in a person's business career. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:01, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notified Ottawahitech as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Business. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:01, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Salvation Army buildings

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus, with two conflicting naming conventions. Good luck with trying to get the article renamed. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: An opposed speedy. Suggestion was for renaming to match head category Category:The Salvation Army and main article The Salvation Army. We already have another subcategory that uses the same format, Category:The Salvation Army camps. (Category:Salvation Army brass bands does not use this format, but that's because the main article for that category is Salvation Army brass band.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:48, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy nomination
  • Keep per the brass bands; this isn't any different. As RevelationDirect notes, the article should probably be renamed, because this is basically the same as The George Washington University, The Ohio State University, and lots of other institutions with an unnecessary "The" beginning their names. Nyttend (talk) 14:53, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Metropolitan areas of Barbados

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:02, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Formal definitions of metropolitan areas do not exist for Barbados, as far as I'm aware. Even if they did, this category would still likely run afoul of WP:SMALLCAT. Cobblet (talk) 00:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Barbados is by far the least populous and smallest country listed among Category:Metropolitan areas by country. It's an exceptional case. Cobblet (talk) 14:46, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If it's true that Barbados is an exceptional case, then we would keep the category, as a handful of WP:SMALLCATs within an established category scheme is perfectly acceptable. We would only delete it, if a substantial part of all (existing or non-existing) per-country-categories would inevitably be WP:SMALLCATs. --PanchoS (talk) 20:52, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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