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Category:Dungeons & Dragons novelists

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. I will leave a list of the current contents on the talk page, in case anyone wants to make a list. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:40, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT and earlier discussion regarding TV writers by series; suggest listifying. Trivialist (talk) 19:13, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dungeons & Dragons writers

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I will leave a list of the current contents on the talk pag e, in case anyone wants to make a list. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:34, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT and earlier discussion regarding TV writers by series; suggest listifying. Trivialist (talk) 19:13, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dungeons & Dragons artists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I will leave a list of the current contents on the talk pag e, in case anyone wants to make a list. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:17, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT and to the somewhat analogous earlier discussion regarding TV writers by series; suggest listifying. Trivialist (talk) 19:13, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Magic: The Gathering artists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:52, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT and to the somewhat analogous earlier discussion regarding TV writers by seriessuggest listifying. Trivialist (talk) 19:13, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Unlike actors, these individuals generally had a longer relationship with this medium/fandom. Jclemens (talk) 06:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Jclemens. BOZ (talk) 03:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as performers-by-series overcategorization; a list exists at List of Magic: The Gathering artists. Every article I checked identifies Magic: The Gathering as just one of multiple works with which the person was associated. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:17, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep For many of these artists, making MTG art is not just a part of their "performance": it is a defining aspect of their careers, and even their identity as an artist. For example, Terese Nielsen's website and public Twitter account include almost only MTG content. Her Twitter profile picture is a MTG creature she illustrated. This is also true for Magali Villeneuve, for example. Jason Rainville frequently includes his MTG work on his Twitter profile, and his website specifically has a section dedicated to "cards." The same can be said about many and perhaps even most of the artists on the list. For these reasons, I would argue that being a Magic artist represents more than an aspect of performance for these artists - it often serves as a hallmark of their career. Finally, I would like to note that for many MTG players, the art is a key facet of the game, and one of the primary reasons they play. Their are entire websites and YouTube channels dedicated solely to the appreciation of MTG art. In my view, this allows the category to transcend the performers by performance categorization. For instance, their are not whole communities and YouTube creators dedicated to musicians who can circular breathe, or actresses who have appeared veiled (to use some examples from WP:PERFCAT). Musicians do not tend to dedicate extensive portions of their website to the fact that they can perform circular breathing, or perform left-handed. What I am getting at is that the MTG art community has a significance that exists well beyond the mere actions the artists have performed by creating the art. They often classify themselves as such, and this distinction is important to a sizable subset of Magic players. From my perspective, this more than justifies this category's existence. FindingEllipsoids (talk) 18:11, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per User:Black Falcon, I also checked a large number of articles, with the same outcome. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this is a performer by performance category. We do not categorize artists by one specific game they have made art for.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:08, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Television occupations

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The result of the discussion was: keep by weight of argument. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Television people" already includes television occupations in its subcategories. Jaqen (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Russian gynaecologists

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The result of the discussion was: keep, i.e. do not merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
Nominator's rationale: Complete overlap Rathfelder (talk) 15:36, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Russian obstetricians

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The result of the discussion was: keep, i.e. do not merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
Nominator's rationale: complete overlap Rathfelder (talk) 15:35, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cattle hybrids

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete as a useless misnomer. While fleshing out Category:Crossbreeds, I created the (correct) Category:Cattle crossbreeds and started categorizing things into it (for crossbreeds of two or more domestic standardized breeds) and into Category:Bovid hybrids (for types that are a hybrid of domestic and wild [usually bison] stock), and removing incorrect categorization. In the end, nothing was left in "Cattle hybrids" because the name doesn't actually apply to anything. So, accidental depopulation that led to realizing the category shouldn't exist at all.

The only conceivable use for this category would be for varieties that are crosses of Western cattle (Bos primigenius of Europe, Africa, parts of Asia) and zebu cattle (Bos primigenius indicus or Bos indicus, South Asian breeds and landraces that are sometimes classified as a separate subspecies or species). But we're unlikely to ever do that, and we have not been doing it, with even one variety. There were only three varieties in the category at all, and they were two all-Western crossbreeds, now in Category:Cattle crossbreeds, and one that's in that category and in Category:Bovid hybrids because it's a mix of half a dozen domestic breeds plus bison. Category:Cattle breeds is presently not distinguishing between Western and zebu cattle at all, and WP:LIVESTOCK has no apparent interest in doing so, on the basis that our readers generally don't know what the lineage of a breed is – that's information people are generally looking for, not already in possession of).
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  11:26, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Years and decades in the Aztec civilization

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. per nominator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:57, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT, most categories contain only one article. The target in this proposal is mostly a century, but in case of the 1500s, 1510s and 1520s the target is kept at a decade level because this is a period with quite a lot of content about the Aztec civilization. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:12, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Christian biblical canon

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The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:48, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: purge and merge, I can't see what should be in Category:Christian biblical canon beyond what is already in subCategory:Development of the Christian biblical canon. The three articles currently in the category belong, and already are, in Category:Bible versions and translations. Just add the subcategory directly to Category:Christian Bible. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:03, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Boston Patriots broadcasters

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary duplicate of Category:New England Patriots broadcasters. Hirolovesswords (talk) 00:12, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC) [reply]
Just for the record, there are also other teams categorized like this, as I noted above. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 04:53, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lizards of South Africa

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The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Lizards of South Africa to Category:Lizards of Africa and Category:Reptiles of South Africa;
delete Category:Lizards by country. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
Nominator's rationale: WP:NON-DEFINING (e.g. for Nile monitor). Note: The South Africa category is the only country subcat below Category:Lizards of Africa and below Category:Lizards by country. There is List of lizards of South Africa. This could also be upmerged to Category:Reptiles of South Africa (but non-defining still applies). DexDor (talk) 06:28, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There's now 30 (I've moved some down from the fauna category), but I agree that we don't need to subcategorize (and afaics there are currently no endemic-lizards-of-country categories). DexDor (talk) 09:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Lacrosse League season templates

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The result of the discussion was: rename. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:07, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These templates are all navigation boxes and are categorized under NLL nav boxes. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 04:18, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I know there is a backlog, but this and the one below seem like a slam dunk. Can someone close these discussions please? - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 15:22, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:National Lacrosse League team rosters navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was: rename. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:08, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These are not navigational boxes. After renaming, move from NLL nav box category to NLL templates category. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 04:11, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Intersex activists in New Zealand

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAT by location, as Category:Intersex rights activists isn't large enough as of yet to require subdivision by nationality. It only has 37 entries, and upmerging this isn't even going to make it any larger, since both of the people here are already duplicate-categorized in the parent anyway. Bearcat (talk) 01:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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